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2 Top Officers of Navy Ship
John S. McCain Are Removed

New York Times, by ERIC SCHMITT

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 10/11/2017 9:28:18 AM

WASHINGTON — The Navy has relieved the two top officers of the destroyer John S. McCain, nearly two months after the ship collided with a tanker while approaching Singapore, leaving 10 sailors dead. The commanding officer, Cmdr. Alfredo J. Sanchez, exercised “poor judgment,” and the executive officer, Cmdr. Jessie L. Sanchez, displayed “poor leadership of the ship’s training program,” according to a statement issued Wednesday by the Seventh Fleet in Yokosuka, Japan. While an investigation is continuing into the Aug. 21 accident, the statement said that it was “evident the collision was preventable.” Both officers were relieved by Vice Adm. Phil Sawyer,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 10/11/2017 9:39:19 AM     (No. 11413116)

the statement said that it was “evident the collision was preventable.”

DUH!

There is NO excuse for the non combat collisions that have happened. People died. Heads need to roll.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Michaelus, 10/11/2017 9:43:31 AM     (No. 11413121)

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot were these clowns doing and who was in actual command of the ship when this happened?


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Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney, 10/11/2017 9:46:22 AM     (No. 11413124)

Some of Obama´s political appointees, rather than merit officers on the job.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bpl40, 10/11/2017 9:56:16 AM     (No. 11413133)

"Poor judgement" could very well be applied to the ship´s namesake.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/11/2017 9:58:46 AM     (No. 11413139)

Only in an Obama run Navy could two guys who are members of the same minority group, with the same surname, be appointed as the Commanding Officer and the Executive Officer on the same warship, and then be subsequently removed from command for incompetence that caused the deaths of a number of enlisted sailors.

We have not yet been enlightened as to who the officer of the watch and the lookouts were who allowed a foreign merchant ship to approach and collide with the warship without taking effective action to maneuver the ship and get out of the way.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: mc squared, 10/11/2017 10:03:40 AM     (No. 11413143)

Poster #5 was faster than I am.


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Reply 7 - Posted by: thomthomp, 10/11/2017 10:09:57 AM     (No. 11413150)

In the military when there is a major, inexcusable failure the leadership is held responsible and is removed and replaced. It is unfortunate that the Republicans in Congress don´t follow the same practice.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: veritas4ever, 10/11/2017 10:16:18 AM     (No. 11413158)

They forgot to pay attention to the message about the impending collision, which began,"To hear this in Spanish, press 1."

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Reply 9 - Posted by: comstock, 10/11/2017 11:28:14 AM     (No. 11413265)

Yeah, but were they up to date on their LBGT training objectives? How about Diversity indoctrination? Basic watch standing and navigation take a back seat to those New Navy standards.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: lil dotty, 10/11/2017 11:32:30 AM     (No. 11413272)

Unqualified men command the ship named John McCain.

The apple falls not far from the tree, eh? Sen McCain?


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Reply 11 - Posted by: Smart11344, 10/11/2017 11:36:59 AM     (No. 11413283)

I am offended by naming the ship after McCain. I want it removed.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 10/11/2017 12:06:20 PM     (No. 11413332)

The mantra of the Surface Navy: "We have done so much with so little for so long that we are now expected to do everything with nothing forever." I served when there were 600 ships - exhausting enough, and all we did was show the flag and shadow the Soviets. There are now half that number of ships and the pace of activity has picked up.

Navy officials ordered more sleep for crews and no more 100-hour workweeks for sailors.

Sure. Watch stations still have to be manned, aircraft have to be launched and recovered, fuel and supplies have to be brought on board (a lengthy, manpower-intensive operation when done at sea), equipment has to be maintained or repaired, admin still needs to be done - these crews are exhausted and there is no quick fix.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: mickturn, 10/11/2017 12:29:21 PM     (No. 11413360)

Were they assigned to the SSMcCain because they were incompetent like the ships namesake?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: dvc, 10/11/2017 12:38:26 PM     (No. 11413375)

Certainly, under USN rules, the captain is at fault. He is responsible for the ship, and all the people in it, and how competent they are.

This nugget: "And ships on which crews lack basic seamanship certification will probably stay in port until the problems are fixed." is worrisome. This is obvious, but if it was not being followed, I am concerned that a reduction of number of ships, without similar reduction in commitments for patrols has left the workload beyond the possible. They talk about "no more 100 hour work weeks". I don´t think people can do that for extended periods and still function well and safely.

I know a USN helo pilot who turned in her wings after her second tour on a cruiser. She was a top student, USNA grad, extremely competent. The problem was a lack of sleep and too many flying hours in a week, at night, over water, foul weather. Without proper sleep cycle (to much work to be done when not flying) she felt her flying performance was degrading to the point of becoming a safety issue due to fatigue and stress.

Even the best and brightest have human limitations, and with too few ships, too few sailors and officers, perhaps we have stretched the US Navy to the breaking point.

We had 30 carriers in the 60s, by the 80s we had 14 carriers, now 10. Reagan built almost a 600 ship Navy. Now, about 285 combat ships.

We need to spend a whole lot more money on the US Navy. Spending too much on welfare, too much for illegals, not enough for the military.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: rolfnader, 10/11/2017 1:11:04 PM     (No. 11413426)

Wow, just realized that we have TWO destroyer John S McCains, now.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Packard Man, 10/11/2017 1:12:33 PM     (No. 11413430)

Who the heck promoted and posted these guys to their assignments anyway?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/11/2017 1:35:35 PM     (No. 11413480)

#16, it was Admiral Diversity.

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