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As a Woman in Tech, I
Realized: These Are Not My People

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Posted By:PageTurner, 8/12/2017 12:02:46 PM

Have you heard about the Google memo? Have you heard nothing but "Google memo" all week? James Damore, an engineer at Google, wrote a memo suggesting that maybe there weren’t so many women at Google because women are less interested in sitting around and staring at code all day. The internet erupted. James Damore is no longer working at Google. As a woman working in the brotastic atmosphere of IT, I ultimately came to a conclusion similar to his. So I sympathize with him. Let me explain. Until the age of 26, I was employed as a technology consultant by a small

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The reality out there. The little engineer fellow out there who got fired was right.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: FormerDem, 8/12/2017 12:17:59 PM     (No. 11349472)

Well, but would she have built the fiber channel network to talk to the doomed lover? I think she would. It is not a matter of capacities but of incentives imo. Fwiw I spend absolutely all my spare time coding because people were rude to my dead father about a particular scientific issue and I am out to fix this situation. I do not care what i earn or how many people report to me or what my day job is. But for this emotion, I learned R and big data and toyed with Lua and now it is Bayesian statistics, and on and on. Not for themselves. Because people were rude to my father and I have to fix it. Say a prayer for me to win!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: dvc, 8/12/2017 12:24:18 PM     (No. 11349476)

A a person who worked as an engineer, and with computers and networks, at the highest levels for 35 years, I see what she says as very close to the same thing that I saw.

We had several very competent female engineers in my department and I trained and worked closely with them, and enjoyed it. But when I am home on a weekend working on a car, building an airplane (not model), machining gun parts from scratch, welding up a frame for a kitchen convenience pull out for the wife, planing boards to make a hobby horse as a gift, I am very certain that none of my female counterparts did any of these things for fun.
Am I a better engineer because I like to make things, repair things, build a computer or gun from parts, take a broken, complex thing and make it work? I think so, and those engineers, male or female, who don´t enjoy those things, are, as the author says, less likely to be the very best.

Very insightful and accurate commentary.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Twinkle93, 8/12/2017 12:30:01 PM     (No. 11349485)

I do not hear people blaming hospitals because only 10% of the nurses are male.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dman, 8/12/2017 12:43:38 PM     (No. 11349500)

Damore spoke truth to political correctness. It is not that women are biologically incapable (although studies have verified that females are more left-brain oriented, while males are more likely to be right-brain dominant*) of being good engineers: I have worked with several capable women when I was employed in Silicon Valley (40 years ago!). It is more a cultural thing. Go to a bar (or a church) and strike up a technical conversation with a male, and he will likely be interested and engage. Do likewise with a female and she will likely roll her eyes, change the subject, and/or walk away.

Those are the resource "pools" from which engineering candidates are drawn. Given that reality, the gender "bias" can easily be understood.

* There are different disciplines within engineering. Right brain dominance is more helpful in R&D activities, while left brain dominance favors manufacturing test and documentation positions. Other disciplines fall somewhere in between. You can howl your PC slogans all you want: that is just the way it is. "The Bell Curve" (Hernstein and Murray) leaves room for exceptions (which the PC crowd loves to cite), but the statistical means of the male and female data are definitive (and reveal the "rule").

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Reply 5 - Posted by: galbaccr, 8/12/2017 12:46:24 PM     (No. 11349503)

I spent 26 years in the computer field, including systems coding, analysis, management, etc. We had very few women in the computer departments of the company and, when I attended various technical conferences involving other companies, recall very few women in attendance. On the other hand, a couple of our sharpest systems programmers happened to be women. When desktop computers began to be available, I ran out & bought a trash-80 & when the IBM clone configuration arrived, bought one of them. Later, as the PC´s began to proliferate in our company, I made comments about my own stuff (I had a two computer ethernet network in my house, sharing a printer, before there was an internet). I was surprised that several people said they had enough of computers at work and had no interest in having anything to do with computers at home. Most of the ones saying that were men, who were he majority in the department anyway. One of the women systems programmers also had a computer at home. By time the internet began to take hold (early 90´s), more systems people had computers at home, both men and women). So,this woman´s story certainly applied where I worked - except it also applied to some men. This was mostly before the pressure for sex-equality.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: seamusm, 8/12/2017 1:11:27 PM     (No. 11349520)

Would the equivalent of ´oreo´ be XXY? Tongue in cheek.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: curious1, 8/12/2017 1:11:58 PM     (No. 11349521)

This ´event´ simply points out the underlying issue - leftards don´t like individual´s making choices that don´t fit their memes/narratives/PC-goals and so work to socially engineer western culture to fit (through peer pressure, PC-pressure, government and corporate pressure, ad nauseum...)

There really aren´t cabals plotting to keep women out of a particular field - in general men and women are different at a very basic biological and psychological level. Those who insist other-wise are, bottom line, insane or selling something. And thus individuals make personal choices, which do vary by sex, which leftards don´t like.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Mackrand, 8/12/2017 1:13:34 PM     (No. 11349522)

Having spent my entire career building, testing, and in general elbow deep in the guts of computer systems and their higher brethren, I can agree with the above. I´ll say that when we did have females in the group they were either of two kinds.

Jim-crack hotshots who loved their work and were a joy to watch and work alongside.

The other kind seemed to always be on the go somewhere else. It looked like these kinds were being moved around because the managers couldn´t figure out where to put them. They were not successful where ever they were. Educated? Yes! But they just couldn´t seem to get anything done.

The upshot is that I can barely remember any women in Tech. The ones I do remember are remembered with fondness because they fit in.

When you get right down to it, the ones who made things hum were the women staff; secretaries, admin types and the like. Couldn´t make it without them for sure.

This last seems to be what Google missed when they read this infamous memo! They certainly ran over their air hose all right!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: DEW JR 78, 8/12/2017 1:24:23 PM     (No. 11349534)

Why can´t most on the left and many on the right just let men be men and women be women. We´re different, we´re supposed to be different. For the few in either gender that are more inclined to be like and enjoy the work or lifestyle of the other good for you, enjoy. Please, stop trying to make us all alike, As a man I say, Thank God for women, this life would be sad and boring without them.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 8/12/2017 1:34:45 PM     (No. 11349545)

They fired him. End of discussion. And a not-so-subtle warning to others who might venture a stray vocal thought on the matter. The Left has locked in it´s orthodoxy and there will be no further commenting allowed.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: dman, 8/12/2017 1:48:53 PM     (No. 11349557)

To sum it up: for most women in the field: tech is a good job - even a good career. For most men in the field: tech is a lifestyle.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 8/12/2017 1:58:47 PM     (No. 11349568)

.. To further make the point:

A common remark by "successes" in many fields (not just tech) is:

"You mean, someone will actually pay me to do this ??"

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 8/12/2017 2:04:16 PM     (No. 11349573)

The ratio of females to males in any major software company is about 1:10. The HR department can ´huff-puff-blow´ all they want against the ocean, but they won´t reverse the waves. At what point does society commit ´violent acts´ upon itself to achieve "equality of results" as the trophy for producing a "gender-free" society in which anyone can be anything regardless of sex/race/religion/nation of origin/culture/sub-culture/hairstyle/gang-affiliation/tattoo quantity/gender affiliation/number of parents/lack of parents/piercings/etc?

Boys take things apart to see how they work, while girls learn knitting & sewing to make sweaters & dresses. Software (aka ´slinging code´) is akin to knitting. Women do better at that than designing microwave transmission systems. Women coders can be productive in a team (usually not the fastest or most creative). Unfortunately, companies don´t do ´static´ well, and see ´static careers´ as someone for elimination. Now THAT is something a female mind cannot accept, which is criticism for just doing their job, so they quit... unless the company decides to offer her a job in management with promotions and bonuses... which is how males see that gender pays ´handsomely.´

Being a conservative white male in a large software company is like being the new **n-word here** on the block, even if the company was created and grown by a white guy or guys.

Liberalism has infiltrated American corporations through the Human Resources´ affiliation with the P.C. virus pushed by the Federal government, and is like a "designer drug" for the business´ own destruction.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: harper, 8/12/2017 2:36:09 PM     (No. 11349605)

Progressive values are all based on lies, and the bigger the lie, the more extreme the punishment for outing that lie. As we see here...

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Reply 15 - Posted by: franq, 8/12/2017 3:38:37 PM     (No. 11349660)

PC is indeed rampant in large corporations. Our latest SOTU from our CEO listed being rated one of the most LGBTQ (yes, Q!) friendly employers as a real achievement. Never in my life did I think I would ever see that. Besides having no place at all as a topic of discussion in the workplace, it has absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing to do with our industry or products. Woe, woe, woe.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: BarryNo, 8/12/2017 4:38:47 PM     (No. 11349710)

I felt the author completely missed the elephant in the room. Google demands group think and punishes those who think differently.

It´s not whether he could have chosen different words. Nothing he said was inherently vicious or nasty.

His memo commented that deviating from the hive-thought made you a target for retaliation - and he was targeted and punished for pointing that out.

That´s the elephant in the room!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Jennie C., 8/12/2017 5:19:13 PM     (No. 11349723)

Okay, am I the weirdo here?

I got my degree in computer science in 1977. There weren´t many other chicks in my classes (I told my uber-feminist roommate that I was only in it to meet guys, but that was just to yank her chain).


I worked in programming for CompuServe (remember those guys? not only a cool business, but a great place to work).

There were other gal programmers there, but not many. We got along fine with everyone. The guys didn´t just "treat us with respect," they ignored the fact that we were chicks at all (well, except for the flirting, but that was all in good fun).

Hey, it was the 70´s-80´s we were still allowed to have fun.

So, while I have zip, zero, nada problems with Damore´s observations, I am curious at the L-dotter comments.

Are you all REALLY old farts, or does Gen-X and the millenials have a completely different idea about chick programmers.

Because we baby-boomers had no problem.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 8/12/2017 6:07:50 PM     (No. 11349762)

Remember the days when on our report cards our teacher would rate our "co-operativeness"?

Little Johnny doesn´t get along well with others.

Susie doesn´t like to share.

etc.

Wouldn´t it be nice if people appreciated the variety of gifts and aptitudes of other people among them, and valued the importance of people being able to work well together to accomplish tasks?

Clearly in well-run businesses or other enterprises, this is what happens. There are just some malcontents who raise their cranky heads to complain and nit-pick.

Would really like people to grow up and learn to co-operate to complete tasks and stop pulling pigtails or pouting in corners.



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Reply 19 - Posted by: snakeoil, 8/12/2017 7:01:20 PM     (No. 11349794)

In the world we live in there are things you are supposed to pretend you don´t even notice. For instance, look at symphonic orchestras. Around half the musicians are men and women. But the conductor is almost always a man. And the composers as well. Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, Wagner, Debussy, Bizet, ... Chefs. Everyone loves Mamma and Grandmother´s cooking. But practically all of the chefs in hotels and restaurants are men. And science, mathematics, painting, etc. Is there a reason? I don´t know or care. My niece works on her car, her husband´s car, and her friends vehicles. And she´s good at it. I haven´t seen the engine in my last 3 cars and take the car to the dealer to have the tire pressure checked. I work with and for women who use computers and many of them are better at it than I am. It doesn´t bother me. I just not into bean counting. Is there a difference between men and women in the workplace? I can´t provide any insight. But so far the women who are or were my boss we nicer than most of the men. There are probably reasons why no South American head hunters have won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. I´m just not interested in why.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: BarryNo, 8/12/2017 7:31:20 PM     (No. 11349812)

Ive never had issues working with women in any field. Not as an underling nor as a boss. I can say the same about people from any race, religion or country.

What honked me off was inter-office politics and back-biting. Attempts to weaken or sabotage others for one´s own advancement or agenda. That attitude doesn´t belong in ANY company. And I never tolerated it.

Google has proved it is a failing company. Ideology has triumphed over truth, Treachery over teamwork. It is a dead husk of a splendid beast now riddled with maggots in charge of the rotting corpse.

Death comes for us all...


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Reply 21 - Posted by: mickturn, 8/13/2017 8:48:02 AM     (No. 11350106)

Take it from a person that wrote code for over 20 years...it sucks!

You can´t define boring until you write code...same stuff all day every day. The only challenge is coming up with clever ways to keep yourself engaged.

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Some House Democrats renewed calls for Congress to impeach President Trump on Tuesday after he resorted to blaming "both sides´ for a violent rally in Charlottesville, Va., this past weekend organized by white nationalist groups. "POTUS is showing signs of erratic behavior and mental instability that place the country in grave danger," said Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., in a tweet Tuesday night. "Time to invoke the 25th Amendment." (Tweet) Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis., also called on Republicans to initiate impeachment proceedings against Trump. "As we once again hear Donald J. Trump defend those responsible for the deadly riot in Charlottesville

Something stinks about Charlottesville
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American Thinker, by Russ Vaughn    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 8/17/2017 5:47:42 AM     Post Reply
Evidence is turning up from, of all places, the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as Breitbart and others, that this character, Jason Kessler, who organized the suspicious and supposed Alt-Right demonstration in Charlottesville, Va. that blew up in everyone´s face, is a cunning lefty holdover from the Occupy Wall Street movement and a former Barack Obama supporter. I smell Soros money, sabotage, and Democrat dirty tricks here. I´ve been suspicious of the nature of the violence at this supposed Alt-Right demonstration since the news first began breaking. It is no secret that radical elements in the Democrat left have

Why Was This ´Crowd Hire´ Company
Recruiting $25 An Hour ´ Political
Activists´ In Charlotte Last Week?

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Zero Hedge, by Tyler Durden    Original Article
Posted By: lindamay- 8/16/2017 4:58:22 PM     Post Reply
Trump ignited a political firestorm yesterday during an impromptu press conference in which he said there was "blame on both sides" for the tragic events that occurred in Charlottesville over the weekend. Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based "public relations firm specializing in innovative events" to serve as agitators in counterprotests. The ad was posted by a company called "Crowds on Demand" and offered $25 per hour to "actors and photographers"

Mitch McConnell joins John Kasich in Republican
attack on Trump saying ´there are no good neo-
Nazis´ after Ohio governor called president
´pathetic´ – and BOTH George Bushes weigh in

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Daily Mail [UK], by Nikki Schwab & David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 8/16/2017 12:03:36 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has weighed in on the weekend´s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, castigating Donald Trump without naming him. ´We can have no tolerance for an ideology of racial hatred. There are no good neo-nazis,´ McConnell said in a statement. The choice of words, while careful, appeared to push back against Trump´s claim on Tuesday that some ´very fine people´ were among a crowd of white supremacists who rallied in the college town. McConnell´s wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, stood next to Trump on Tuesday as he insisted both sides of the weekend´s clash bore some responsibility for

Lindsey Graham: The party of Lincoln
will not become the party of David Duke

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Washington Times, by Seth McLaughlin    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 8/16/2017 12:17:05 PM     Post Reply
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina warned President Trump on Wednesday that his “words are dividing Americans, not healing them” in the wake of the bloody clashes in Virginia that has sparked a national conversation about white supremacists and race. Mr. Graham also vowed that Republicans will “fight back against the idea that the party of Lincoln has a welcome mat out for the David Dukes of the world.” “Through his statements yesterday, President Trump took a step backward by again suggesting there is moral equivalency between the white supremacist neo-Nazis and KKK members who attended the Charlottesville rally and people like

McCain, Romney, and Rubio Join
the Republicans for Antifa Club

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Breitbart Big Government, by John Hayward    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 8/17/2017 9:34:26 AM     Post Reply
As James Bond’s nemesis Auric Goldfinger famously observed, “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.” On Tuesday evening, three prominent Republicans — Senator John McCain, Senator Marco Rubio, and 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney — endorsed the left-wing media’s preferred narrative and embraced the masked thugs of Antifa as heroes. McCain and Romney used almost identical language, bending their knees to the media narrative that only two factions were present in Charlottesville during the awful events of last weekend: white supremacist Nazis and “Americans standing up to defy hate and bigotry.”


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