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USS Fitzgerald completely ignored Japanese
cargo ship before deadly collision as crew
attempted to get the Americans´ attention
by flashing lights and sounding horns

Reuters, by Staff

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 6/26/2017 3:01:37 PM

A U.S. warship struck by a container vessel in Japanese waters failed to respond to warning signals or take evasive action before a collision that killed seven of its crew, according to a report of the incident by the Philippine cargo ship´s captain. Multiple U.S. and Japanese investigations are under way into how the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal container ship collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay in the early hours of June 17. In the first detailed account from one of those directly involved, the cargo ship´s captain said the ACX Crystal had


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Reply 1 - Posted by: rubberneck, 6/26/2017 3:12:25 PM     (No. 11299322)

I´m no expert, but everything points to an egregious error made by whoever was navigating the smaller and much-more-nimble Fitzgerald. Even if the cargo ship had targeted the destroyer, the destroyer could´ve evaded a crash, as long as the skipper was paying attention.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: lavalette, 6/26/2017 3:14:00 PM     (No. 11299324)

Sadly, I knew this would be the case.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Urgent Fury, 6/26/2017 3:25:02 PM     (No. 11299338)

Now I had read earlier that the Crystal was on autopilot and nobody was on the bridge. That gives lie to this story. WHICH IS IT?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pearson365, 6/26/2017 3:27:12 PM     (No. 11299343)

"In his report, the ACX Crystal´s captain said there was ´confusion´ on his ship´s bridge, and that it turned around and returned to the collision site after continuing for 6 nautical miles."

The container ship´s captain is lying. How could his ship sound horn and flash lights yet there was confusion on bridge? And, how did his vessel travel another 6 miles after collision? A captain on bridge would have stopped immediately if he had been signaling the destroyer before the crash? Would guess that no one was at the helml of either ship that night and that the Fitzgerald´s crew was AWOL from duty stations.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: plex, 6/26/2017 3:33:33 PM     (No. 11299348)

THe alleged path of the container ship seems to show that it turned around to head for the destroyer. Of course the time line is unknown and it could be that the captain did turn around after the collision.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: pensom2, 6/26/2017 3:39:48 PM     (No. 11299358)

During his eight years in office, Obama fired or retired many battle-ready admirals and generals. To fill their open positions, he promoted politically-oriented officers who would tell him what he wanted to hear and bow before his superior knowledge of international affairs, much like Kim Jung Un.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly, 6/26/2017 3:47:27 PM     (No. 11299371)

#5 I believe the u turn happened between 12:58 a.m. and 2:46 a.m., after the collision.

Where were the sailors who were supposed to be standing watch, port, starboard and aft? Where were the sailors who were supposed to be watching the radar?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: fayebeck, 6/26/2017 3:49:20 PM     (No. 11299375)

Would not surprise me at all if the Captain of the Fitzgerald was a muslim graduate of the Naval Academy.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: JediJerry, 6/26/2017 3:50:11 PM     (No. 11299376)

There is speculation that the systems of one or the other or both vessels were hacked and somehow disabled or impaired to allow the collision to happen.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: TnEm, 6/26/2017 4:05:32 PM     (No. 11299398)

Even if the cargo ship intentionally rammed the USS Fitzgerald, it is the duty of our ships NOT to be rammed. This makes me so sad - the loss of life, the loss of careers, the loss of confidence in our Navy to protect our country.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Bevan, 6/26/2017 4:07:53 PM     (No. 11299401)

Like JFK, the Navy will make the skipper a hero instead of unemployed.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dvc, 6/26/2017 4:10:52 PM     (No. 11299409)

Previous story is "nobody on bridge, everybody asleep, ship on autopilot".
Now, "desperate, heroic efforts to avoid collision".

The stink of lying is palpable. I believe NOTHING about the claims of what the Crystal crew did at this point.

OTOH, how does a competent, aware USN bridge team get hit by a tanker? Answer, they don´t

I am reserving final judgement until we have some solid facts, but in almost all possible scenarios it appears as if the captain´s career is justifiably over.

Again, my former aircraft carrier captain friend told me he was NEVER off of the bridge in any congested waterway. And yes, he lost a LOT of sleep that way. When not in congested waters, he was in the sea cabin just adjacent to the bridge. Any ship closer than some defined range, 10 miles IIRC, orders were to get him on the bridge BEFORE the other ship broke the 10 mile ring.

He kept his ship and men safe, and retired honorably years later.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: mickturn, 6/26/2017 4:12:49 PM     (No. 11299415)

Somebody really screwed up!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hicokid, 6/26/2017 4:28:55 PM     (No. 11299439)

No way! So, if the container vessel took evasive action 10 mininutes before the collision and T-boned them anyway, they would´ve missed them by a mile if they had stayed the course. This explanation is simply not logical.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: doublesharp, 6/26/2017 4:41:54 PM     (No. 11299453)


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Reply 16 - Posted by: P51dmustang, 6/26/2017 4:43:19 PM     (No. 11299456)

This story does not past the smell test, it´s Fake News.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 6/26/2017 4:48:40 PM     (No. 11299459)

The commander, Bryce Benson, was asleep and his background shows nothing to bring any suspicion on him. Whoever was in command while Benson slept is the one who may need to be investigated.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 6/26/2017 4:59:20 PM     (No. 11299471)

Nope. I am not buying that story. First, we heard the ACX Crystal was moving on a radical, out of control course at full speed with all running lights out in pitch darkness. That he had no idea they had even collided with another ship, and now, the ACX Crystal was doing all it could to warn other ships- BS! And, this story is only the excuse riddled lamentation of a skipper of a commercial vessel trying to shift his portion of responsibility.

I´ll wait, though, for better future information. This bit makes no sense, at all.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Hugh Akston, 6/26/2017 5:12:36 PM     (No. 11299481)

Regardless of any of the stories/reports on this situation, this is an Aegis class destroyer with advanced radar, capable of 30 knots and the ability to stop in 2 ship lengths. Everything and everyone not tied down would hit the bulkheads but the ship would come to a stop. That the totality of the crew, either on the bridge or in the combat information center, weren´t aware of and monitoring all ships within either a 5,000 or 10,000 yard range and were unprepared to take evasive action is inexcusable. This is the equivalent of a Ferrari getting hit in the side by horse-drawn farm cart.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: WilliamTell, 6/26/2017 5:24:59 PM     (No. 11299499)

I would like to know what school did the OOD and JOOD attend? If it was USNA, how come they graduated?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bobn.t, 6/26/2017 5:44:11 PM     (No. 11299521)

If the cargo ship was sending warnings, why didn´t it pull power to stop movement to avoid the collision?
Sounds fishy to me.
Who was piloting the navy ship?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jimincalif, 6/26/2017 6:04:47 PM     (No. 11299547)

It´s Reuters, so take the story with a few buckets of salt.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: happywarrior, 6/26/2017 6:25:25 PM     (No. 11299563)

It´s 0bama´s Navy and everyone on board was asleep.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Truth Czar, 6/26/2017 6:40:00 PM     (No. 11299573)

The ACX Crystal Captain´s account of the collision makes no sense!

Does "failed to respond" on the part of Fitzgerald mean she maintained a constant course and speed? If Fitzgerald was crossing the path of ACX Crystal and Crystal´s evasive action (hard right turn) preceded a collision by 10 minutes, Fitzgerald would have passed well clear had Crystal maintained its original course and speed.
It was a hard right turn by Crystal that resulted in a CBDR situation (constant bearing, decreasing range, which means an action must be taken to avoid a collision).

Although admittedly slow to maneuver, a hard right turn started 10 minutes before the time of collision should have allowed Crystal to complete a turn away from a ship crossing her bow.

I´m not defending the actions of Fitzgerald (which we do not know), but this story makes no sense.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: ocjim, 6/26/2017 7:01:09 PM     (No. 11299599)

Massive lumbering beast gores agile inattentive? young lion.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 6/26/2017 7:19:26 PM     (No. 11299612)

I find it astonishing that a US Naval vessel could have been hit like this. The Captain is responsible for his ship and the outcome reflects his leadership. Even if he was "off duty" a responsible Captain would have had standing orders to call him at any time.

It sounds like the Fitzgerald was deaf, dumb, and blind. There should have been many redundant watches at all times but no one appeared to have been watching at all. There is NO excuse for it and NO excuse for a collision.

What the cargo ship did or didn´t do is an interesting piece but the responsibility for the collision rests with the Fitzgerald and her Captain.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harper, 6/26/2017 7:29:24 PM     (No. 11299622)

I said it earlier, and it seems worth repeating that the responsibility for the collision can be laid at the feet of Affirm-A or some other Dimmi "value."

I cannot see how a lumbering, laden container ship could ever hunt down, outmanuever and hit any naval combat vessel.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: uno, 6/26/2017 8:38:23 PM     (No. 11299699)

Hitting a lumbering, laden container ship is like hitting the Lighthouse:

US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.

CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!


CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 6/26/2017 10:29:45 PM     (No. 11299799)

That´s one side of the story. But why was the Japanese ship making all those crazy turns while it was on "autopilot?"

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Reply 30 - Posted by: dvc, 6/27/2017 2:07:31 AM     (No. 11299894)

#17, you do not understand that it makes literally ZERO difference which officer on the bridge made the error - it is the captain´s fault, 100%. His choice to not be present and trust his officers.

The captain trained them all, the captain judged their abilities and temperments under stress and he decided that he could sleep.

It is fairly certain that the captain made a serious error in training, and judgement. HIS FAULT.

It has always been that way, and has to be that way. The captain of a USN ship is give huge leeway, and is given huge responsiblity. Most do well. A few fail the test, most by running their ship aground. Back in the old days, these guys were given command of a Naval Base. Nobody every ran one of them into anything. And realistically, they command very little, can cause little damage as they wait their few years to retirement. Not sure what current practice is for cashiered captains, my info is decades out of date.

Barring some unusual revelation in events, which is still possible, and I hope for, because USN captains are normally very good men, this captain´s career is toast.

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Daily Mail (UK), by Geoff Earle    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/26/2017 9:10:54 PM     Post Reply
Senator John McCain fired away at Donald Trump´s decision to ban transgender people from military service – and also for announcing a 180 degree turn on a complex issue via Twitter. The Senate Armed Services Committee chairman said in a statement that the military should welcome capable people ´regardless of their gender identity.´ He made the statement hours after his own dramatic return to the Senate for an Obamacare repeal vote, after getting a brain cancer diagnosis. Trump praised the former Vietnam POW for his action, although he went after McCain´s time as a POW during the campaign.

Trump Boy Scout Speech Is
Nazi Hitler Youth Rally, Left Says

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NewsweeK Magazine, by Cristina Silva    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/25/2017 3:11:15 PM     Post Reply
President Donald Trump brought his bombastic politics to a Boy Scouts event Monday in West Virginia, drawing cheers from the children gathered at the event and prompting comparisons between his rousing rhetoric and Nazi youth rallies from some liberal activists and journalists. (Snip) "The Boy Scouts must distance themselves from that offensive attempt to politicize scouting and turn them into a Trump youth organization," wrote Richard W. Painter, vice-chairman of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the chief ethics lawyer in the White House under Bush, on Twitter Monday night.

Trump knifes Sessions again: He
endorsed me because I had big crowds
in his home state, not because he’s loyal

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Hot Air, by Allahpundit    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/26/2017 5:06:18 AM     Post Reply
This is tremendously stupid and does Sessions a terrible disservice in not acknowledging the sincerity of his ideology. The way Trump tells it here, you’d think Sessions had glommed on to him because he’s nothing more than a political frontrunner, eager to bask in the reflected glory of a more popular, charismatic politician. In reality, Sessions gambled heavily when he backed Trump. He could have made a safe play with his colleague Ted Cruz, the conservative choice; instead he went with a nationalist whom no one else in the Senate would endorse and who seemed like the longest longshot to

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