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Military releases details about
how USS Fitzgerald crashed

New York Post, by Ruth Brown

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Posted By:Honeybadger, 6/19/2017 7:18:30 AM

The Navy on Sunday revealed details of the final moments of seven sailors who died aboard a destroyer after it collided container ship near Japan — ripping open the warship and sending sea water gushing into the rooms where the men lay asleep. “The damage was significant. This was not a small collision,” U.S. 7th Fleet Commander Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin said at a press conference in Yokosuka. The Philippine-flagged ACX Crystal plowed into the far smaller USS Fitzgerald at around 2:20 a.m. Saturday, “opening the hull to the sea” and rapidly flooding three large compartments that included two berthing areas for

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: vegasgrump, 6/19/2017 7:48:15 AM     (No. 11290893)

The headline is misleading. They released no details about what happened. We need to know a bit more about the container ship and whether its crew belong to the "religion of peace."

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Reply 2 - Posted by: rolfnader, 6/19/2017 8:14:58 AM     (No. 11290911)

So , the 728 freighter made a "sharp turn"???

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Boneshaker, 6/19/2017 8:15:02 AM     (No. 11290912)

Those pesky container ships are so difficult to see and avoid because they are only four or five tomes as large as the US destroyer itself.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: rolfnader, 6/19/2017 8:15:34 AM     (No. 11290914)

So , the 728 ft freighter made a "sharp turn"???

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Stryker714, 6/19/2017 8:34:00 AM     (No. 11290933)

It almost became another Edmund Fitzgerald.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: MikeLM, 6/19/2017 8:37:51 AM     (No. 11290937)

I spent three years driving a destroyer, and there´s no way a lumbering container ship could sneak up and ram the far more nimble DD. The junior officer on watch somehow steered her in front of the other ship; a Court of Inquiry will try to figure out why.
His career is over, and he may well face a Court Martial for negligence. The Captain will likely never be promoted again, even though he was in his cabin asleep, and had not been aboard long enough to form judgements about the competence of the various officers standing bridge watches. He is absolutely responsible for everything that happens on his ship.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: coldoc, 6/19/2017 9:07:55 AM     (No. 11290966)

The captain of the container vessel wouldnt be from mindanao and named mohammed, would he?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ida lou pino, 6/19/2017 9:10:13 AM     (No. 11290969)

Tortoise Rams Hare

Tough to believe a headline like that.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: strike3, 6/19/2017 9:23:26 AM     (No. 11290981)

They´ve released everything except what really happened. Ever try to hit a duck on a lake with a pontoon boat powered by a9hp motor? The duck could be blind and have a broken foot and still evade you.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 6/19/2017 9:30:37 AM     (No. 11290992)

Like neither side is willing to talk about it. And what details? There is still nothing to get a handle on understanding how this happened. They don´t even know for sure what time it happened.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: dman, 6/19/2017 9:38:22 AM     (No. 11290998)

Yes #1 et al: How many members of the Filipino cargo ship crew were from The Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM)?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: GOPinTN, 6/19/2017 10:05:21 AM     (No. 11291030)

I would also be interested in the backgrounds of the officers on the bridge at the time of the crash.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: flybynight, 6/19/2017 10:19:18 AM     (No. 11291044)

Occam´s Razor suggests that simple solutions work best. How does this work? The container ship was on autopilot, small underpaid crew asleep on a dull night. And meanwhile, on the destroyer bridge, same dull night, one squid went to the head, one nodded off there for just a minute, and a third was over in the corner "checking his email." Heh heh. The skipper, poor fellow, was also asleep. Annoying collision alarm making too much noise, so the dozy guy at the helm hit "snooze." Oops.
Tempting though it is to trot out hellish conspiracies, especially with so much gold-braided butt to be covered, my money remains on a concatenation of human error and tragically bad luck.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 6/19/2017 10:34:34 AM     (No. 11291074)

There was more news yesterday. They released the names of the dead and wounded, families have been notified.
It discussed the collision. Apparently the freighter was making a U-turn and slammed into the DD. Looks like the freighter crew will be charged with professional negligence.
Said the lane was a busy one with some 400 ships passing a day.
navy wont talk about it. Was cloaking in effect at the time is a question.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: herder elwood, 6/19/2017 10:38:44 AM     (No. 11291076)

Nos. 11, 12 solved the case......see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614624/Young-sailor-identified-one-seven-missing-sea.html scroll down to look at eratic course of the container ship prior to incident....."a hunting they did go" ......!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ArthurDent, 6/19/2017 11:10:24 AM     (No. 11291113)

I do have questions here. Was the Fitz rendered unable to respond correctly because of rules of engagement?

Was the ship in low emissions (no radar)?

What is our standard response on navigation issues concerning cargo vehicles?

If there´s an actual hostile interest here, I´d be thinking N Korea before anyone else.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: dman, 6/19/2017 12:30:48 PM     (No. 11291189)

I would be with #13 on the Occam´s Razor approach, except it does not explain the sudden U-turn (autopilot would not do that) and the "perfect" T-bone hit on the destroyer. If Islamists can employ jumbo jets or trucks as weapons, adding container ships to their "arsenal" is not much of a stretch.

It´s the jihadist, not the weapon du jour.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: WilliamTell, 6/19/2017 12:40:07 PM     (No. 11291200)

Was the OD USNA? Was the JOOD USNA?
Was the OD Qualified? And finally there are no real details in this article, at least from an old sailors point of view.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Tulsa, 6/19/2017 1:01:06 PM     (No. 11291237)

Good grief #18, your comment is like the ruin sorbees funny and judo won toes?

Room service story and you don´t want toast?

Help me out with the abbreviations?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: gone2pot, 6/19/2017 1:29:29 PM     (No. 11291269)

Not one word in the article about "how" the Fitz crashed, just that it "did" get hit.

The pictures make it pretty simple. The collision occurred broadside abeam on the starboard side of the Fitz. That´s not arguable. Another thing not arguable are the international rules of the road for vessels under power. The cargo ship, before impact could see the starboard running lights of the Fitz, making the cargo ship the privileged vessel giving it the right of way. Second, the vessel with less maneuverability (and the cargo ship is a WHOLE LOT less maneuverable than the Fitz) is the privileged vessel and has the right of way. The burdened vessel (the Fitz) is required to give way for the two reasons above. An 800 foot cargo vessel is completely incapable of making a "sharp" turn, especially if it is heavy due to carrying a bunch of plastic crap in big metal boxes.

IF, there are mitigating circumstances like proximity to shallow water, other vessels or ANY maneuver by the Fitz that would place it into a greater degree of en extremis to get out of the cargo ship´s way, then the skipper of the Fitz and the OOD might have a prayer. Otherwise, the skipper of the Fitz WILL get, at a minimum, a no band change of command real soon and the OOD´s next job will include, "do you want fries with that?" (unless of course he or she is a transgender). Hopefully, there´s some unknown mitigating circumstances that justify the Fitz not maneuvering to prevent the collision.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Talk2, 6/19/2017 1:35:42 PM     (No. 11291281)

One time in the Med on a carrier a cargo ship cut across our bow and all hell broke loose. Collision alarms sounded and sailors went to damage control stations, etc. The cargo ship was at least one mile ahead of our ship, so I wonder what was going on on the bridge of that destroyer.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: gone2pot, 6/19/2017 2:00:25 PM     (No. 11291301)

OOD is Officer on Deck; JOOD is Junior Officer On Deck; and yeah, whether the guy went to Navy (USNA) or not is irrelevant; USNA is US Naval Academy

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 6/19/2017 2:30:46 PM     (No. 11291328)

I wondered, too, #5, why oh why name it Fitzgerald?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 6/19/2017 2:49:52 PM     (No. 11291357)

#23, if you bother to look it up, you´ll find that the ship´s namesake is well worthy of this ship bearing his name.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: luandir, 6/19/2017 5:00:15 PM     (No. 11291480)

I agree that the Norks should be on the short list of suspects. They certainly have the most to gain by disabling a missile destroyer.

Other articles have said the container ship was without running lights. How did this come about?

Who owns this vessel? Who provided the crew and officers?

Start getting answers by impounding the vessel and its cargo. Make sure none of its sailors see the light of day until they talk.

And if we keep hearing about "tragedy and heroism" (both unarguable) instead of causes, we can be pretty sure the USN is covering up some negligence of its own.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: dvc, 6/19/2017 6:36:05 PM     (No. 11291633)

If ISIS or Al Qaeda did not plan this operation, they will plan the next one.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: PageTurner, 6/19/2017 8:55:35 PM     (No. 11291811)

I was thinking ´Filipino driver.´ If you live in California, you know the deal in places like Daly City or Mira Mesa.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 6/19/2017 11:02:18 PM     (No. 11291957)

I think I know how this happened. Two sailors were up in the crow´s nest. The water was calm as a mill pond on that moonless night. Their sole job was to keep an eye out for other vessels

Suddenly out of nowhere this giant tanker appeared..."Tanker right ahead"..."Why aren´t they turning?"... The rest as they say is history...Let´s face it, the ship is made of steel, of course it could sink.

I hope this helps shed some light on this mystery.

If that makes no sense.. just blame it on the Asian drivers of the tanker.

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MSNBC “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski compared President Donald Trump’s administration to North Korea Friday, saying “It does feel like a developing dictatorship.” “I will say you can do some work reading history and reading books about how dictatorship happen. The development of very negative forces taking over and what you are seeing is either this happening right now, or someone who’s not well. Very few options,” Brzezinski continued. Co-host Joe Scarborough tried to lighten to mood during the segment, saying, “I think it’s actually more like Hogan’s Heroes if anything else.” Brzezinski she quietly rebuked Trump once more saying

Good riddance to the Russia myth — and
blame Team Obama for promoting it

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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 6/22/2017 5:00:38 AM     Post Reply
Ex-Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson’s testimony Wednesday should mark the definitive end of “Russia hacked the election” hysteria. Too bad it took so long to get to this point. Johnson told the House Intelligence Committee outright that the Russians failed to alter “ballots, ballot counts or reporting of election results.” Yes, it’s clear Russia (with Vladimir Putin’s full approval) orchestrated cyberattacks designed to influence the 2016 contest, and also pushed fake news. But the hack, and release via WikiLeaks, etc., of Democratic e-mails produced nothing game-changing. The biggest impact was to confirm the obvious: The Democratic National Committee favored Hillary Clinton from the


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