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Something is fishy about USS Fitzgerald
story we are getting from the media

American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson

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Posted By:magnante, 6/18/2017 9:27:29 AM

Under no circumstances should a US Navy vessel possibly be damaged by a container ship at sea. Multiple systems exist to prevent this. Even CNN is noticing how little we know about the catastrophe that took the lives of seven sailors and almost caused a powerful warship to founder. The USS Fitzgerald, an anti-ballistic missile destroyer that was part of the USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group, will no longer be ready to defend the carrier and other ships from missile attacks launched from North Korea, should push come to shove in the current confrontation with the rogue regime on the


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Reply 1 - Posted by: plex, 6/18/2017 9:49:55 AM     (No. 11290225)

I guess I would have thought that the ship would have been visible via radar for a long time. There is clearly more to this story.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 6/18/2017 9:58:18 AM     (No. 11290237)

This is highly disturbing. And I think this piece should be at the top of the page, if there is still room.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: LittleHoodedMonk, 6/18/2017 9:59:33 AM     (No. 11290239)

After reading this article, it seems scary now how the destroyer does appeared to be rammed by the container ship. Looking at the front of it shows that they didn´t bump into each other "causally." I can only hope our State department has immediately sent agents to investigate and not let one of the crew off the ship. Second, remember, we are currently assisting the Philippine government (again) with trying to eradicate Daesh led Abu Sayyaf. My aluminum hat is buzzing.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: planetgeo, 6/18/2017 10:08:15 AM     (No. 11290252)

Everything about this incident so far is very strange, implausible, and yes, fishy. A modern US Navy destroyer could literally run circles around that container ship. And unless that was massive dereliction and/or incompetence on the part of the captain and crew of our destroyer (not ruling that out yet due to 8 years of an Obama-ized Navy), some weird kind of drop or handoff with the container ship could be a possibility.

In any event, the Western news sources have totally dropped the ball in reporting on this incident. The continued headlines implying that the destroyer "collided" with that ship were totally contradicted by the first pictures showing that the destroyer had been T-boned by the ship.

Can our media get any worse in reporting simple facts?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: thelmalou, 6/18/2017 10:09:40 AM     (No. 11290255)

Holy crap!!! Add to this the rumor (?) that the container ship changed course abruptly several times just before the collision, and Geez Louise!!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: gone2pot, 6/18/2017 10:12:01 AM     (No. 11290259)

Under no circumstances should a US Navy vessel possibly be damaged by a container ship at sea.

Thomas is correct, however there IS another side of the story here.

Just based on the article, the container ship was the privileged vessel. He had the right of way and was far less maneuverable. Plus, the Navy ship had a MUCH better ability to give way to the cargo ship. The Navy ship had surface search radar, along with every other Navy ship in the carrier task force and they ALL saw the monstrously EASY TO SPOT HUGE blip for several minutes with constant bearing and decreasing range in plenty of time to get the hell out of the way. Having gone to the Naval Academy, although commissioned in the Marine Corps, the Navy ship was burdened and was supposed to give way to the cargo ship and I wasn´t even the smartest guy in my signals class. The Navy ship was burdened, should have easily seen the huge contact on his radar AND was much more maneuverable than the cargo ship regardless of the cargo ship´s lack of running lights or failure to squawk. I smell dumb ensign or dumb Ltjg at the conn while the skipper was catching a few minutes of sleep or grabbing a sandwich in the wardroom. I also smell a "No-Band-Change-of-Command" for the skipper.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: coldoc, 6/18/2017 10:17:22 AM     (No. 11290264)

Looking at the course track it would be reasonable to conclude the ramming was intentional. That does not absolve the crew of failure to avoid or self defense. This reminds me of the USS Cole, which allowed the bombers to approach because of their silly rules of engagement. Too PC to blast the fools out of the water.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: uno, 6/18/2017 10:20:35 AM     (No. 11290269)

A container ship doesn´t just change course abruptly. These things are huge! With all the radar defense systems, somebody was asleep at the wheel. I´m guessing the captain and crew were still Obama-partying like it wuz 2012 and not paying attention to an incoming 200 ton torpedo!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: dvc, 6/18/2017 10:23:35 AM     (No. 11290272)

Thinking you have the facts from the media is a mistake. We are always misinformed by the media, why would this be different? This is a special technical area, and the media are especially incompetent in those situations.

The skipper and his bridge team were likely just simply incompetent. However, the ship handling of civilian ships is often erratic on a level difficult to believe, so we need to wait for the board of inquiry report.

I know a former USN very large ship´s captain, and collisions at night, especially in busy waterways was a constant threat. Large ships are dramatically less maneuverable than most people think, and it takes huge time and distance to affect course changes. It takes lots of competent planning and teamwork to thread through a busy area with many ships.

Never assume malfeasance when simple error or incompetence will suffice to explain a failure.

The captain was new, which means his team was new, his interaction with them not well established. They were still learning to work together, seems likely that they failed. The captain is 100% responsible for any team failure.

Wait for the board of inquiry report, but in all probability, the captain´s career will be over. I know of one class of collision which is not necessarily a career ender, suction during underway replenishment. Perhaps there are others. This was not that, but perhaps the container ship did a sudden maneuver, but we do not know. Yet.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: ArthurDent, 6/18/2017 10:57:24 AM     (No. 11290314)

Just on the face of it -
There is no way they ´missed´ this thing coming.

Contrary to another post, this ship could weigh over 100,000 tons. WWII battleships were over 68,000 tons.

There´s no way something of that mass made a ´sudden maneuver´ that was unavoidable to a ship that was alert to the other strange thing this ship was doing.

It may be that there was some benefit to not giving away response info, or deploying certain countermeasures, but it certainly looks suspect at this point.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: frodo, 6/18/2017 11:00:23 AM     (No. 11290318)

Something is fishy.

A container ship is slow to maneuver, however changing its rate of speed is a bit easier to manage, especially slowing down.

The damage to the container ship is port side suggesting that ship was traversing towards starboard as relative to the Fitzgerald.

I´m imagining a scenario where the Fitzgerald slowed to give right-of-way, when that ship at the last minute suddenly slowed and turned starboard. (reverse engines)

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Reply 12 - Posted by: volksford, 6/18/2017 11:10:03 AM     (No. 11290327)

Well, being an ex navy man in the navigation dept...who in hell plots a course like that container ship ran ? I smell intentional ramming.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 6/18/2017 11:13:23 AM     (No. 11290335)

The captain took command in may of 2016!! He was not new. The crew is highly experienced and trained. And to speculate that the U.S. Navy crew at the helm and on the bridge of this 1.8 billion dollar vessel was some how "asleep at the switch" is absolutely absurd. Also, Navy ship captains are not Super Men or robots. They are humans and are entitled, like every one else to get sleep in order to stay sharp and healthy. This was not a wartime situation. The completely radical movement of this cargo ship indicated either break down or confusion (why?) on the bridge. something really bad was going on on that cargo ship- I speculate it was entirely human caused because break downs of steering would immediately call for a reduction of speed. This thing was under control by someone and that someone did not call for a reductions of speed. The ship hair pinned completely across the crowded shipping lanes, with NO running lights in pitch dark, with radar on. As for the Navy vessel not taking evasive action, you might also remember the "crowded shipping lane" and a sea filled with smaller vessels, including ferries and passenger ships. Obviously, there were other considerations for the US crew to think about and they had only seconds to deal with it.

Let us wait for more info. Please!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: uno, 6/18/2017 11:29:58 AM     (No. 11290355)

´scuse me, I left the k of of 200k Ton surface torpedo.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: dvc, 6/18/2017 11:31:56 AM     (No. 11290356)

#13, I know of a situation during a collision where the skipper of a USN aircraft carrier froze and the bridge logs showed ZERO commands given during many minutes during a collision, from the moment that a collision warning was issued until well after the collision. That is certainly unusual, but it happened.

Do not assume that all USN ship´s captains are always competent, you will be disappointed. The overwhelming majority are absolutely outstanding, stellar in every way. A few are not. If the the media reports that the captain was new were wrong, I stand corrected and refer to my comments about media misinformation.

In any case, let the board of inquiry play out.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: CaptainLibra, 6/18/2017 11:32:58 AM     (No. 11290359)

#3. Please. The last people we want investigating this incident are those from the State Department. They don´t do Naval investigations, the Navy does. Oh that´s right, Jon F´ing Cary, former SecState, was a Naval hero in Viet Nam and drives his wife´s huge yacht home-ported in R.I. He would be well qualified to look into this.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MDConservative, 6/18/2017 11:37:09 AM     (No. 11290366)

Something is fishy about conspiracy stories that involve a container ship "ramming" a naval destroyer. The destroyer was not without active systems and trained crew on watch in a highly trafficked zone to protect itself from a glorified barge that reportedly did a "strange" 180 deg turn 25 minutes prior to the "ramming".

BTW: The owner of the ship is Sea Quest Ship Management - Cavite, Phillipines. It´s currently in port in Japan. Check it out.

BTW2: An "unnamed source" passing on hear-say.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: BruisedOrange, 6/18/2017 11:55:25 AM     (No. 11290393)

Thank you #13 for bringing corrective sanity to our discussion so far. There must be more parts to this story, to construct a scenario where a nimble destroyer, with radar and satellite eyes on their surroundings, gets rammed by a lumbering container ship.

Is there a scenario sufficient to cause the skipper to determine that being rammed was the better choice? Or might the destroyer have been temporarily blinded or disabled by a technological attack?

If the Fitzgerald was set up for this collision by technological disruption, the fact of that would immediately become Top Secret "need-to-know only" while it is investigated. If it became known that an enemy of the West claims that capability, it could effectively put naval projection of power into drydock and stifle world oceanic trade.

It´s another fact of life the globalists fail to acknowledge: the more inter-connected the world becomes, the greater the number of soft-points and vulerabilities presenting asymmetric consequences.

It´s a spider / starfish thing. Macro organization may be great for offense, but it´s hell to defend.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Fledrmaus, 6/18/2017 12:00:36 PM     (No. 11290401)

The armed forces have been the Left´s plaything for years now. We complain constantly at every idiotic directive mandating diversity, indulgence of sexual deviates and mental malcontents. Yet we refuse to connect the dots all the way to the end of the trail, which leads to an incompetence and bungling out in the real world. What else is all this conspiracy-mongering, but a reflexive refusal to admit that "our boys" could be anything but innocent and perfect?

I´m betting this ship contained a healthy seasoning of racial and sexual misfits, doing what you´d expect them to do and goofing off in the middle of the night. There might even have been a bit of "Hold my beer" derring-do as the officer in charge decided to show off his ship´s speed and maneuverability, only to misjudge the distance and come to grief.

In any case, let´s stop this assumption that ONLY some evil foreign devil could be responsible for an American naval mishap. This is what all the experimenting has been building toward for years, and expect to see more of it.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: KanCreeper, 6/18/2017 12:24:33 PM     (No. 11290440)

FIRST: Let it be Crystal Clear...The ´Media´ is spinning this story to suit their narrative.
SECOND: That container ship is no bathtub toy, turning it and stopping it take lots of time and planning. That Destroyer, is a far more agile, maneuverable ship.
THIRD: My bet is that the Container ship, was "aimed" at the Destroyer...[No Accident, THERE ARE Fillipino Sympathizers of Abu Sayef {Terrorists]

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Reply 21 - Posted by: gone2pot, 6/18/2017 1:11:01 PM     (No. 11290475)

13, your assumptions are valid however, these are facts from the article and the pictures. The cargo ship saw the green starboard running lights of the Fitz before the collision. That gives the cargo ship right of way, period and makes the Fitz the burdened vessel, period. Also, the cargo ship was less maneuverable by orders of magnitude than the Fitz making the cargo vessel privileged, period. Those are facts per the international maritime rules of the road. Notwithstanding the years of experience and training; the Fitz´ inability to figure out the cargo ship´s reported erratic behavior; proximity to other vessels; buoys; running lights off; cargo ship not squawking on the IFF; etc, those might be mitigating factors but getting T-Boned by a ship infinitely less maneuverable on your starboard side abeam when that ship is clearly and easily the privileged and less maneuverable vessel does not bode well for the skipper of the Fitz. If the cargo vessel was to the Fitz´ starboard, close aboard due to tight shipping lanes, made a sharp (yet incredibly S-L-O-W) left turn into the Fitz´ starboard side and the Fitz was, for some valid reason (like the cargo ship placing the Fitz en extremis due to buoys, other vessels, etc) unable to maneuver then that might mitigate the rules of the road. Otherwise, it´s not looking good for the skipper of the Fitz.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: catfur27, 6/18/2017 1:59:27 PM     (No. 11290500)

ny slimes headline tomorrow : Trump incompetence leads to ship collision- many deaths. Schumer calls for Special Prosecutor.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: mamafrog, 6/18/2017 2:32:27 PM     (No. 11290525)

We never know the whole truth about military operations - nor should we.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Alex, 6/18/2017 2:39:24 PM     (No. 11290530)

#13: Cdr. Bryce Benson assumed command of the Fitzgerald May 13, 2017 not 2016.


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Reply 25 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 6/18/2017 2:54:35 PM     (No. 11290539)

#23 speaks for herself...I disagree...

I believe the truth will prevail....no military "secrets" here...just a big mistake in the dark of night, and my trust in our media is ZERO, my trust in the "navy" isn´t much better....but the truth ALWAYS emerges.

God bless those injured and maybe deceased...
They gave their lives to our military to defend us...that´s honorable.

Veterans for TRUMP 2020
Improve our Military!!!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: birddog, 6/18/2017 3:17:58 PM     (No. 11290550)

While the Commander was in his position little more than a month...he had been XO for several years prior. My mind boggles as to how this was even remotely possible to have occurred, even if the pollywog lookout was searching for the Mailbouy, the radarman should have been tracking surface contacts and whoever had the conn should have stayed well clear.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 6/18/2017 3:31:05 PM     (No. 11290557)

That container ship was on a straight and narrow course for a long period of time then abruptly changed course, as if in search of prey. These are congested waters, and the destroyer´s surface scanning radar would have alerted the crew to a "kamikaze attack" from miles out, however, it was either not heeded, or heard.

Did the container ship "blind" the Navy ship to its presence? Why did it change course so many times before it "found" the destroyer? As someone said on a previous thread, these cargo ships have crews who merely watch the computer as the ship is guided automatically along a preprogrammed course.

Who made the radical course change? Was the container ship´s computer "hacked"? Commercial maritime vessels are connected to the Internet by satellite communication. Did China or Iran hack the ship´s computer, thereby turning it into a guided missile? If so, this could be as big a threat to maritime traffic as 9-11 was to aviation.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Stryker714, 6/18/2017 7:26:57 PM     (No. 11290671)

Meet Joseph Jeffrey Hazelwood, captain of the Exxon Valdez.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ctpro, 6/18/2017 8:27:17 PM     (No. 11290692)

It´s pieces like this that give alternative media a bad name. Everything is a conspiracy with too many of these sites. We saw the same thing when those sailors were detained by the Iranians over year ago... as expected it was a series of rookie mistakes by the young US Navy sailors. Human error on the part of US Navy sailors will have been a big factor in this incident as well (ships to starboard are to be given right of way). As for the transponder being turned off, you can go online to any of the half-dozen ship tracking data bases and see the track of the merchant vessel that hit the Navy ship... so she definitely had her AIS on.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ida lou pino, 6/18/2017 10:15:35 PM     (No. 11290749)

"A Fish Called Wanda"

Remember the scene where Michael Palin runs over Kevin Kline while Palin is driving a steamroller at one mph?

Kline saw it coming for 10 minutes - - yet by the time he decided to move - - his feet were caught in drying cement.

So how does a container ship - - which rips through the sea at one mph - - manage to ram a destroyer designed to be nimble?

"A Fish Called Fishy"?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: lifelonghuman, 6/18/2017 10:29:44 PM     (No. 11290756)

Gibbs will get to the bottom of this!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: rbruce20, 6/18/2017 11:50:04 PM     (No. 11290789)

USCGA grad with about 3yrs sea time and many years of sailing. No captain I know would be asleep with a ship approaching within 1000 yrs (1/2mile). Officer-of-the-Deck´s standing orders normally require contacting the CO when a ship may come near. I´ve awaken the CO many times over a four hour watch. A Navy cruiser with gas turbines has much more mobility than a large merchant ship.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: rbruce20, 6/19/2017 12:01:03 AM     (No. 11290799)

Average turning diameter for a 213m merchant ship travelling around 10 kts is 1/2 mile. There are a lot of variable to consider. So when a merchant ship starts a 180 turn, it travels 1/4 mile forward and 1/4 mile to the side to turn 90degs. Any sailor knows abrupt turns on merchant ships do not happen without tug assist.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: thelmalou, 6/19/2017 1:14:54 AM     (No. 11290817)

Y´all are awesome! Miss Right-Brained Girl here is enjoying this discussion immensely!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: strike3, 6/19/2017 2:34:28 AM     (No. 11290836)

Most Navy ship´s captains are very good officers, but remember this one?

"The Navy recently demoted Capt. Holly Graf, captain of the USS Cowpens, following a Navy inspector generals report found she used her ship to race the USS John S. McCain destroyer off the coast of Okinawa in February 2009."

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Yesterday’s news, aside from the usual Trump obstructing, colluding, and making money on his investments, included a ship collision. As described by ABC, a “Navy destroyer collides with container ship off coast of Japan.” NBC had a similar headline, “Navy destroyer collides with ship off Japan.” (snip)The headlines, by saying the US Navy ship collided with the Japanese container ship, imply that the Navy ship hit the container ship.What do the pictures say? This first photo is of the US Navy destroyer.

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GOP turnout confounds
pollsters in Georgia election

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Politico, by Steven Shepard    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 6/22/2017 8:21:23 AM     Post Reply
Jon Ossoff was on a trajectory to defeat Karen Handel narrowly, poised to deliver a humiliating blow to the White House in a race billed as a referendum of Donald Trump’s early months in office. Then the Republican voters in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District unexpectedly showed up in droves. Pollsters say sky-high turnout drove Handel, the GOP nominee, to a nearly 4-point victory on Tuesday, despite most pre-election surveys showing Ossoff with a small-but-shrinking lead. Mathematically, a 4-point loss for a Democratic House candidate in a district that has traditionally elected Republicans by wide margins is an encouraging result for

Texas, three more states on
California’s banned travel list

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Sacramento Bee, by Adam Ashton    Original Article
Posted By: Hermoine- 6/22/2017 9:47:49 PM     Post Reply
California is restricting publicly funded travel to four more states because of recent laws that leaders here view as discriminatory against gay and transgender people. All totaled, California now bans most state-funded travel to eight states. The new additions to California’s restricted travel list are Texas, Alabama, Kentucky and South Dakota. They join Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina and Tennessee as states already subjected to the ban. California Attorney Xavier Becerra announced the new states at a Thursday press conference, where he was joined by representatives from ACLU Northern California and Equality California.

Obama: ´Fundamental Meanness´
at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill

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Fox News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 6/22/2017 4:44:17 PM     Post Reply
(Facebook) - Former President Barack Obama took to Facebook to ask Republicans to reconsider their efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare. "I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party," Obama wrote. "Still, I hope that our senators, many of whom I know well, step back and measure what’s really at stake, and consider that the rationale for action, on health care or any other issue, must be something more than simply undoing something that Democrats did." He argued that the Republican health care bill

Johnny Depp slams Donald Trump at Glastonbury
and asks: ´When was the last time an actor
assassinated a president?´

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Telegraph (UK), by Patrick Smith    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 8:45:27 PM     Post Reply
In a year that he would like to forget, which included his acrimonious divorce to Amber Heard, Johnny Depp appeared at a Q&A at the new Cinemageddon stage at Glastonbury. Introducing his 2004 film The Libertine, about a 17th-century poet who notoriously drank himself to an early death, the 54-year-old chose to discuss American politics. "I think [Donald] Trump needs help," he said. "There are a lot of dark places he could go." He added: "I´m not insinuating anything - by the way this will be in the press and it will be horrible - but when was the last

1.4 million illegals working under
stolen Social Security numbers: Audit

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Washington Times, by Stephen Dinan    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 8:56:49 PM     Post Reply
Most illegal immigrants who pay taxes have stolen someone else’s legal identity, and the IRS doesn’t do a very good job of letting those American citizens and legal immigrants know they’re being impersonated, the tax agency’s inspector general said in a new report released Thursday. The theft creates major problems for the American citizens and legal foreign workers whose identities are stolen, and who have to deal with explaining money they never earned. But the IRS only manages to identify half of the potentially 1.4 million people likely affected by the fraud in 2015, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax

GOP Georgia Turnout Stuns Media and
Pollsters – 260,000 Votes Cast…

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Conservative Tree House, by Sundance    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 9:55:24 PM     Post Reply
[…] John Anzalone, Ossoff’s pollster, said the Democrat’s campaign succeeded in turning out its voters — but they were swamped by Republicans who came out in numbers that ended up dwarfing previous high-profile special elections (link) That’s a very interesting admission/statement for a Politico article. That’s also an example of what happens when President Trump’s ‘Monster Vote‘ turns out. (Politico) Jon Ossoff was on a trajectory to defeat Karen Handel narrowly, poised to deliver a humiliating blow to the White House in a race billed as a referendum of Donald Trump’s early months in office. Then the Republican voters in

Freighter Was On Autopilot
When It Hit U.S. Destroyer

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Washington Free Beacon, by Bill Gertz    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 6/23/2017 5:21:56 AM     Post Reply
The deadly collision between a U.S. destroyer and a container ship June 17 took place while the freighter was on autopilot, according to Navy officials. The Philippines-flagged cargo ship ACX Crystal was under control of a computerized navigation system that was steering and guiding the container vessel, according to officials familiar with preliminary results of an ongoing Navy investigation. Investigators so far found no evidence the collision was deliberate. Nevertheless, an accident during computerized navigation raises the possibility the container ship´s computer system could have been hacked and the ship deliberately steered into the USS Fitzgerald, an Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer. A more

Bowe Bergdahl´s lawyers want to know
if potential jurors voted for Trump

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Washington Examiner, by Josh Siegel    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 7:44:57 AM     Post Reply
Attorneys for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl want to ask potential jurors in a court-martial for their views on President Trump and whether they voted for him, according to news reports Wednesday. At a pretrial hearing Wednesday, Berdahl´s lawyers submitted the questions to the judge in the case, out of concern that jurors may be swayed by negative comments Trump made in the presidential campaign about the soldier. "The principal issue has to do with ensuring we are able to identify people who have been nominated to be on the court-martial panel — the jury — who are not in a

Trump wants to ban immigrants from accessing
welfare within five years of entering the US

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Daily Mail [UK], by Iain Burns & Associated Press    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 6/22/2017 7:23:24 AM     Post Reply
President Donald Trump has said he will pursue legislation that would bar immigrants from being eligible for welfare for at least five years. At a rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, last night he said ´the time has come´ for ´new immigration rules´ that would require those seeking admission to the country to be able to support themselves financially and would bar the use of welfare for a period of at least five years. He said his administration would be ´putting in legislation to that effect very shortly.´ It is unclear, however, how Trump´s proposal would change the current situation.

Los Angeles considers renaming Rodeo Road
in southwest L.A. ‘Obama Boulevard’

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Los Angeles Times (CA), by Shelby Grad    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 9:10:06 PM     Post Reply
President Obama has been out of office only a few months. But he might have both a street and an L.A. freeway named after him soon. Los Angeles City Council President Herb Wesson has proposed renaming Rodeo Road in southwest L.A. “Obama Boulevard” in honor of the president. Wesson noted that Obama held a campaign rally at Rancho Cienega Park on Rodeo Road when running for president and that the area already has streets named after presidents (Washington, Jefferson, Adams). In May, a plan to name a stretch of the 134 Freeway after Obama moved forward with approval from the

Mika: Trump Is Either A Dictator
In The Making Or ‘Not Well’ [Video]

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Daily Caller, by Nick Givas    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 6/23/2017 5:20:24 PM     Post Reply
MSNBC “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski compared President Donald Trump’s administration to North Korea Friday, saying “It does feel like a developing dictatorship.” “I will say you can do some work reading history and reading books about how dictatorship happen. The development of very negative forces taking over and what you are seeing is either this happening right now, or someone who’s not well. Very few options,” Brzezinski continued. Co-host Joe Scarborough tried to lighten to mood during the segment, saying, “I think it’s actually more like Hogan’s Heroes if anything else.” Brzezinski she quietly rebuked Trump once more saying

Trump: ´I did not make´ tapes of
James Comey conversations

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Washington Examiner, by Melissa Quinn    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/22/2017 1:11:02 PM     Post Reply
President Trump said Thursday he has "no idea" if there are recordings of his conversations with former FBI Director James Comey. "With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea … whether there are ‘tapes´ or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings," Trump said in a two separate tweets Thursday. The president´s announcement caps weeks of speculation as to whether the president had kept recordings of his discussions with Comey, who he fired last month. Trump himself

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