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Black gun owners worried
by acquittal in Castile shooting

Associated Press, by Jesse J. Holland

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 6/17/2017 8:11:46 PM

Gerry Martin isn’t sure he will ever tell a police officer during a traffic stop that he has a concealed-weapon permit — and possibly a weapon — on him. The acquittal of a Minnesota officer in the death of a licensed gun owner who volunteered that he had a gun seconds before being fatally shot during a traffic stop adds to the worries of African-American gun owners about how they are treated by police and society. Acknowledging that they have a weapon, they said, can open them up to violence from police, who can then claim they feared

Something is off for the policeman to be acquitted if in fact the driver told the officer that he had a weapon in the car, knowing he had a right to carry it. I would have placed both my had on the steering wheel. Either way, results could have still turned out ugly. Once again, law-abiding citizens reveal weapons, while a criminal or someone wanting to harm an officer wouldn´t. That makes total sense to me.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: chumley, 6/17/2017 8:28:29 PM     (No. 11289882)

I dont blame them for being worried. I worry about it too, and I´ve never had a problem self identifying as a CW holder. Thing is, I´m a fat middle aged white guy with short hair, glasses, no facial hair and no tattoos. I dont set off a single alarm bell.
A lot of young cops are not mature or wise. The watch the reality cop shows where the cops beat and kick people on the ground while screaming "Stop resisting!" and they think that´s normal. They get paranoid over the recent police shootings and all of a sudden everyone is a possible murderer.
I live in an isolated area and contact with the police is rare. The ones I have met are great guys who mostly grew up locally. They are not the problem. Its the bullies who drive around with a chip on their shoulder that rot the whole barrel.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 6/17/2017 8:33:24 PM     (No. 11289886)

maybe if they don´t run around with CRIMINALS (his girlfriend tried to beat some woman to death with a HAMMER after THIS incident) they wouldn´t be worried..

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Reply 3 - Posted by: MindMadeUp, 6/17/2017 8:34:01 PM     (No. 11289888)

My guess, given the acquittal, Martin must have said, "I got a gun" in a threatening way while getting it to use on the officer.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: MindMadeUp, 6/17/2017 8:37:16 PM     (No. 11289891)

Castile was told not to reach for his gun, but did so, anyway.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Troutgreen, 6/17/2017 8:42:20 PM     (No. 11289897)

The first words out of your mouth when stopped by a cop and you are packing should be I have a concealed weapon permit and I have a weapon on me. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: leonardo, 6/17/2017 8:48:56 PM     (No. 11289899)

Police want to return home safely to their families when they go off duty. Police cannot help but be mindful of where so much of our violence comes from - that´s just the facts ma´am. Law-abiding concealed carriers also want to live to see another day, which is one reason why they carry, in what has become a violent crazy world. Police cars and "civilian" cars ALL need CAMS, and cops need wearable cams that do not malfunction, so that any illegal activity by ANYONE is recorded for evidence, and is streamed elsewhere real-time so there´s no "missing camera"
or malfunction chicanery. Police would know that no stop would be permitted if their cams are not working or they lose their job. This changes nothing for honest cops.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: barryno, 6/17/2017 8:49:30 PM     (No. 11289902)

I´d really like to hear the evidence on this. A man should not be in danger from a policeman, simply because he´s legally armed.

Something went wrong here.

Like the man in the Walmart in the SW, someone saw his gun, reported a threat and the man is shot dead while clearing the store with everyone else. He was white, BTW. The policeman was a quitted there, too.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Michaelus, 6/17/2017 9:00:15 PM     (No. 11289904)

Yeah - very concerning for anyone who wants to pull their carry gun on a policeman during a traffic stop.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 6/17/2017 9:23:24 PM     (No. 11289914)

I routinely travel through a primarily black Mississippi community that constantly has highway ID checks. I listen to the back officers request, comply and move on. And I am multiracial so not the usual dead set pale with person. I don´t volunteer whether I am or am not carrying a weapon. In Mississippi one can transport a weapon without a permit. Doesn´t mean I carry one but I simply comply with the officers request. Very limited experience but just be polite and cooperative and nothing escalates. I would be willing to bet the loud mouth girlfriend helped escalate the situation and created a level of instability for the officer.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: richwill, 6/17/2017 9:44:04 PM     (No. 11289931)

The liberal media have apparently distorted the facts in this case. I rarely believe the media.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: miceal, 6/17/2017 9:45:56 PM     (No. 11289936)

I also live in the Great State of Mississippi. One evening during a routine traffic stop; dark night with no traffic, I rolled through a Stop Sign. There was a Sheriff´s Deputy parked right across from the Stop Sign. He apparently ran my license plate and when he approached my car, interior light on and me with both hands on the steering wheel, his FIRST question was "are you carrying?" I answered YES and everything went smoothly after that. Oh, and I got a warning.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Starlifter Nav, 6/17/2017 9:52:12 PM     (No. 11289940)

Key Words: Hands in plain sight, ON the Steering Wheel.

And NO use of the "g" word. If asked to exit the vehicle, "Officer I am licensed to carry; I do have it on. How would you like to proceed?"

(I live in a state with no requirement to notify.)

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Reply 13 - Posted by: NotaBene, 6/17/2017 10:06:51 PM     (No. 11289953)

Ha, ha, ha, ha, hah. Communist tripe. Justice was made.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: ida lou pino, 6/17/2017 10:31:43 PM     (No. 11289967)

It´s a very stressful time for blacks who want to kill policemen.

I don´t think I could stand up to pressure like that. They deserve our sympathy.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: TCloud, 6/17/2017 10:59:01 PM     (No. 11289979)

Raising Hell can and will get you dead!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 6/17/2017 11:00:18 PM     (No. 11289980)

Dum-arse, they already KNOW you have a CCW permit when they run your plate! Cops are less worried about LEGAL carriers handguns versus illegal ones.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Newtsche, 6/17/2017 11:09:00 PM     (No. 11289985)

Understand this is about black [gun owners], not [black gun] owners, to be pedantic.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dvc, 6/18/2017 12:51:02 AM     (No. 11290017)

The article, as usual for AP, intends to misinform on what actually happened.

I have several friends who are police officers and we have discussed this in detail.

Dome light on at night. Hand on top of steering wheel until told otherwise. Any move is spoken of before done, and then done slowly, no fast reaches for anything.

"My wallet is in my right rear pocket, I will reach for it?" then get approval from the officer.
"My registration is in the glove box, shall I get it out?", etc. Diving into the glove box to get registration and rummaging at your rear waistband (pocket) for wallet immediately after your car stops, prior to the officer approaching, is seen as possibly hiding something, or getting a weapon. Do not do it. Hands on wheel, wait for the officer, do what he requests. Everybody goes home safely.

Do not give the officer any reason to think he is about to be attacked.

This is not rocket science.

Even Chris Rock has a video on it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: bdog, 6/18/2017 2:23:15 AM     (No. 11290051)

Sundance has the entire story on this case and the cop deserved to be acquitted.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: jallmon, 6/18/2017 8:49:41 AM     (No. 11290157)

My wife and I took a CCW class a couple of years ago. The guy made a point of the fact that police officers tend to get excited when they hear the words "gun" or "weapon." Also, when you are pulled over, the police may already know that you have a CC permit when they call in your plates.

If pulled over, we were told to state that "I have a CC permit, and I am (am NOT) exercising my Second Amendment rights at this time."

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Bugboy, 6/18/2017 8:52:18 AM     (No. 11290159)

Any of you folks that come to Texas and carry.

Under Texas law, if you are armed you MUST, when asked by a law enforcement officer for ID, present both your Driver´s License and License to Carry (or Concealed Carry) permit. It´s a best practice anytime you´re asked because once they call it in they will know you might be armed.

Generally, they will ask if you´re armed unless you say, ´I am not carrying.´

The next words out of your mouth should be ´Officer do you want my firearm?´

The only time I have ever been stopped (Rio Vista, Texas) when I asked the officer if he wanted my weapon he said no.

Under Texas law, a LEO can disarm you during a traffic stop. When you are free to go your firearm will be returned to you. More than likely, if it´s taken from you, with the magazine out and the chambered round loose. They are allowed to disassemble the firearm and give it back, I have never heard of that happening.

Public Service Announcement presented by me.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: lakerman1, 6/18/2017 9:02:59 AM     (No. 11290171)

Good post, #21.
I have been checked by game wardens, often, because I often hunt. If you think about it, just about everyone a game warden checks, has a gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol.
And game wardens don´t often get shot.
The difference between a game warden and a police officer is the actual threat.
I remain convinced that in the Castile shooting, he and thwe woman in his car were looking to rack up some youtube footage, and everything fell apart.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Laotzu, 6/18/2017 9:04:06 AM     (No. 11290174)

It seems to me that these situations arise from Blacks failure to conform to conventional socialization norms. Loud, impulsive and dramatic makes for great stand up comedy, but it will get you in a lot more trouble than calm and reserved in a tense situation. The cop doesn´t treat me better because I´m White. The cop treats me better because I don´t act like a jacked up, schizophrenic, meth-head.

That said, the universal belief among the Black community that Whites treat each other like long lost family is (like all things coming from the Left) completely delusional. Do they really believe that White People have some sort of zen-like, Kumbaya harmony going on? Have they never met a a White, anti-Trumper?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: rolfnader, 6/18/2017 9:11:54 AM     (No. 11290180)

Thanks , #17- The headline had me worried, as well. A LOT of my guns are black.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 6/18/2017 9:39:24 AM     (No. 11290208)

Let´s look at differences. My neighborhood watch captain is a large, dark skinned black man. He is well armed, legally, at all times. He is calm, reasonable, filled with good humor and very polite with everyone. He has described at our meetings his experiences being stopped by police, and he recites pretty much what everyone advising here how to do it while carrying.

On the other hand, an acquaintance where I worked before retirement was a gold jewelry, "Gangsta Styled" black man, extremely loud mouthed, openly hostile to everything "white" (How come da copy paper gott´a be white?") type of guy. He described encounters with police that made me wonder how he had never been shot before...police had to have been patient past Jobian patience in dealing with that jerk!

It really does make a huge difference to just be calm and polite! My goodness, why make things hard for everyone in already tense situations?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: dvc, 6/18/2017 11:03:12 AM     (No. 11290320)

If you haven´t seen the Chris Rock video, it is worth the time, both for the humor and actually valuable advice.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: strike3, 6/18/2017 11:07:13 AM     (No. 11290324)

Simple advice, don´t move, say or volunteer anything. "Good evening, officer" is acceptable and sets the tone. When asked for your driver´s license, slowly get it out and the CCW card along with it. Don´t ask questions, answer them politely.

Castile was agitated from marijuana use and kept trying to pull his gun from his pocket. His intentions are unknown now but, as a police officer, you go with safety first and expect the worst.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has weighed in on the weekend´s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, castigating Donald Trump without naming him. ´We can have no tolerance for an ideology of racial hatred. There are no good neo-nazis,´ McConnell said in a statement. The choice of words, while careful, appeared to push back against Trump´s claim on Tuesday that some ´very fine people´ were among a crowd of white supremacists who rallied in the college town. McConnell´s wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, stood next to Trump on Tuesday as he insisted both sides of the weekend´s clash bore some responsibility for

Something stinks about Charlottesville
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American Thinker, by Russ Vaughn    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 8/17/2017 5:47:42 AM     Post Reply
Evidence is turning up from, of all places, the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as Breitbart and others, that this character, Jason Kessler, who organized the suspicious and supposed Alt-Right demonstration in Charlottesville, Va. that blew up in everyone´s face, is a cunning lefty holdover from the Occupy Wall Street movement and a former Barack Obama supporter. I smell Soros money, sabotage, and Democrat dirty tricks here. I´ve been suspicious of the nature of the violence at this supposed Alt-Right demonstration since the news first began breaking. It is no secret that radical elements in the Democrat left have

Lindsey Graham: The party of Lincoln
will not become the party of David Duke

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Washington Times, by Seth McLaughlin    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 8/16/2017 12:17:05 PM     Post Reply
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina warned President Trump on Wednesday that his “words are dividing Americans, not healing them” in the wake of the bloody clashes in Virginia that has sparked a national conversation about white supremacists and race. Mr. Graham also vowed that Republicans will “fight back against the idea that the party of Lincoln has a welcome mat out for the David Dukes of the world.” “Through his statements yesterday, President Trump took a step backward by again suggesting there is moral equivalency between the white supremacist neo-Nazis and KKK members who attended the Charlottesville rally and people like

Fox News New Low: Establishment
Mouthpiece Perino Implies Pro-Israel
Breitbart a Nazi Site

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Breitbart Big Government, by Tony Lee    Original Article
Posted By: chicodon- 8/15/2017 4:45:14 PM     Post Reply
Fox News viewers were livid after Dana Perino—long suspected to be someone, like Megyn Kelly, who cares more about the opinions of elites in New York and D.C. than Fox News’ viewers—smeared Breitbart News as a site for Nazis on Monday. It seems like the vapid Fox News host knows less about Breitbart News and the alt-right/new right than the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is saying quite a lot. Perino lashed out at President Donald Trump on The Five for allowing Nazis and the alt-right to seek “safe harbor under his wing” before adding that “the

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