Gerry Martin isn’t sure he will ever tell a police officer during a traffic stop that he has a concealed-weapon permit — and possibly a weapon — on him. The acquittal of a Minnesota officer in the death of a licensed gun owner who volunteered that he had a gun seconds before being fatally shot during a traffic stop adds to the worries of African-American gun owners about how they are treated by police and society. Acknowledging that they have a weapon, they said, can open them up to violence from police, who can then claim they feared
Comments: Something is off for the policeman to be acquitted if in fact the driver told the officer that he had a weapon in the car, knowing he had a right to carry it. I would have placed both my had on the steering wheel. Either way, results could have still turned out ugly. Once again, law-abiding citizens reveal weapons, while a criminal or someone wanting to harm an officer wouldn´t. That makes total sense to me.
I dont blame them for being worried. I worry about it too, and I´ve never had a problem self identifying as a CW holder. Thing is, I´m a fat middle aged white guy with short hair, glasses, no facial hair and no tattoos. I dont set off a single alarm bell. A lot of young cops are not mature or wise. The watch the reality cop shows where the cops beat and kick people on the ground while screaming "Stop resisting!" and they think that´s normal. They get paranoid over the recent police shootings and all of a sudden everyone is a possible murderer. I live in an isolated area and contact with the police is rare. The ones I have met are great guys who mostly grew up locally. They are not the problem. Its the bullies who drive around with a chip on their shoulder that rot the whole barrel.
Police want to return home safely to their families when they go off duty. Police cannot help but be mindful of where so much of our violence comes from - that´s just the facts ma´am. Law-abiding concealed carriers also want to live to see another day, which is one reason why they carry, in what has become a violent crazy world. Police cars and "civilian" cars ALL need CAMS, and cops need wearable cams that do not malfunction, so that any illegal activity by ANYONE is recorded for evidence, and is streamed elsewhere real-time so there´s no "missing camera" or malfunction chicanery. Police would know that no stop would be permitted if their cams are not working or they lose their job. This changes nothing for honest cops.
I´d really like to hear the evidence on this. A man should not be in danger from a policeman, simply because he´s legally armed.
Something went wrong here.
Like the man in the Walmart in the SW, someone saw his gun, reported a threat and the man is shot dead while clearing the store with everyone else. He was white, BTW. The policeman was a quitted there, too.
I routinely travel through a primarily black Mississippi community that constantly has highway ID checks. I listen to the back officers request, comply and move on. And I am multiracial so not the usual dead set pale with person. I don´t volunteer whether I am or am not carrying a weapon. In Mississippi one can transport a weapon without a permit. Doesn´t mean I carry one but I simply comply with the officers request. Very limited experience but just be polite and cooperative and nothing escalates. I would be willing to bet the loud mouth girlfriend helped escalate the situation and created a level of instability for the officer.
I also live in the Great State of Mississippi. One evening during a routine traffic stop; dark night with no traffic, I rolled through a Stop Sign. There was a Sheriff´s Deputy parked right across from the Stop Sign. He apparently ran my license plate and when he approached my car, interior light on and me with both hands on the steering wheel, his FIRST question was "are you carrying?" I answered YES and everything went smoothly after that. Oh, and I got a warning.
The article, as usual for AP, intends to misinform on what actually happened.
I have several friends who are police officers and we have discussed this in detail.
Dome light on at night. Hand on top of steering wheel until told otherwise. Any move is spoken of before done, and then done slowly, no fast reaches for anything.
"My wallet is in my right rear pocket, I will reach for it?" then get approval from the officer. "My registration is in the glove box, shall I get it out?", etc. Diving into the glove box to get registration and rummaging at your rear waistband (pocket) for wallet immediately after your car stops, prior to the officer approaching, is seen as possibly hiding something, or getting a weapon. Do not do it. Hands on wheel, wait for the officer, do what he requests. Everybody goes home safely.
Do not give the officer any reason to think he is about to be attacked.
My wife and I took a CCW class a couple of years ago. The guy made a point of the fact that police officers tend to get excited when they hear the words "gun" or "weapon." Also, when you are pulled over, the police may already know that you have a CC permit when they call in your plates.
If pulled over, we were told to state that "I have a CC permit, and I am (am NOT) exercising my Second Amendment rights at this time."
Under Texas law, if you are armed you MUST, when asked by a law enforcement officer for ID, present both your Driver´s License and License to Carry (or Concealed Carry) permit. It´s a best practice anytime you´re asked because once they call it in they will know you might be armed.
Generally, they will ask if you´re armed unless you say, ´I am not carrying.´
The next words out of your mouth should be ´Officer do you want my firearm?´
The only time I have ever been stopped (Rio Vista, Texas) when I asked the officer if he wanted my weapon he said no.
Under Texas law, a LEO can disarm you during a traffic stop. When you are free to go your firearm will be returned to you. More than likely, if it´s taken from you, with the magazine out and the chambered round loose. They are allowed to disassemble the firearm and give it back, I have never heard of that happening.
Good post, #21. I have been checked by game wardens, often, because I often hunt. If you think about it, just about everyone a game warden checks, has a gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol. And game wardens don´t often get shot. The difference between a game warden and a police officer is the actual threat. I remain convinced that in the Castile shooting, he and thwe woman in his car were looking to rack up some youtube footage, and everything fell apart.
It seems to me that these situations arise from Blacks failure to conform to conventional socialization norms. Loud, impulsive and dramatic makes for great stand up comedy, but it will get you in a lot more trouble than calm and reserved in a tense situation. The cop doesn´t treat me better because I´m White. The cop treats me better because I don´t act like a jacked up, schizophrenic, meth-head.
That said, the universal belief among the Black community that Whites treat each other like long lost family is (like all things coming from the Left) completely delusional. Do they really believe that White People have some sort of zen-like, Kumbaya harmony going on? Have they never met a a White, anti-Trumper?
Let´s look at differences. My neighborhood watch captain is a large, dark skinned black man. He is well armed, legally, at all times. He is calm, reasonable, filled with good humor and very polite with everyone. He has described at our meetings his experiences being stopped by police, and he recites pretty much what everyone advising here how to do it while carrying.
On the other hand, an acquaintance where I worked before retirement was a gold jewelry, "Gangsta Styled" black man, extremely loud mouthed, openly hostile to everything "white" (How come da copy paper gott´a be white?") type of guy. He described encounters with police that made me wonder how he had never been shot before...police had to have been patient past Jobian patience in dealing with that jerk!
It really does make a huge difference to just be calm and polite! My goodness, why make things hard for everyone in already tense situations?
Simple advice, don´t move, say or volunteer anything. "Good evening, officer" is acceptable and sets the tone. When asked for your driver´s license, slowly get it out and the CCW card along with it. Don´t ask questions, answer them politely.
Castile was agitated from marijuana use and kept trying to pull his gun from his pocket. His intentions are unknown now but, as a police officer, you go with safety first and expect the worst.
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