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Navy destroyer in Sea of Japan:
A sideways collision or more fake news?

American Thinker, by Brian C. Joondeph

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Posted By:magnante, 6/17/2017 9:30:46 AM

Yesterday’s news, aside from the usual Trump obstructing, colluding, and making money on his investments, included a ship collision. As described by ABC, a “Navy destroyer collides with container ship off coast of Japan.” NBC had a similar headline, “Navy destroyer collides with ship off Japan.” (snip)The headlines, by saying the US Navy ship collided with the Japanese container ship, imply that the Navy ship hit the container ship.What do the pictures say? This first photo is of the US Navy destroyer.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/17/2017 9:39:06 AM     (No. 11289380)

I saw the photo of the Firzgerald, which looked as though it had been “T-boned”. Read a report that the anchor on the Philippine vessel had caught on its side and ripped it. Still trying to picture how this would happen.

That article likened the collision to a train hitting a school bus.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/17/2017 9:39:53 AM     (No. 11289383)

PS. I noticed the same thing Joondeph did. All articles say the Navy ship hit the cargo ship. Huh?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Maggie2u, 6/17/2017 9:44:44 AM     (No. 11289388)

If a President is at fault for whatever happens to military personnel and if the media portrays this as President Trump´s fault, then we can also say that the murder of Ambassador Stevens and his security team is obama´s fault.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mrduc, 6/17/2017 9:51:34 AM     (No. 11289397)

The cargo ship is larger, heavier, and the least maneuverable of the two; it takes them a long time to turn or slow. The destroyer is way more maneuverable. This is an obvious side-to-side collision, with the cargo ship striking the destroyer. Knowing what i know about momentum and inertia, I am wondering why the destroyer didn´t maneuver out of the path of the ponderous cargo ship? Only an imbecile could link this to Trump.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: bad-hair, 6/17/2017 9:53:31 AM     (No. 11289399)

Navy ship hit on starboard side. It would seem cargo ship had right of way. Also navy ship is probably more maneuverable than cargo ship so more able to avoid collision. That said, with modern collision avoidance radars apparently somebody wasn´t paying attention.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: hpmatt, 6/17/2017 9:54:38 AM     (No. 11289401)

Guess the new captain´s radar crew let the 900´ container ship ´sneak up on it´?
Gotta make the ChiComms & Norks think about how easy it w/b to tangle w our ´don´t shoot back´ Navy/AirForce and turn-the-other-cheek Rules of Engagement...

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/17/2017 9:56:37 AM     (No. 11289406)

I just posted an article from the Daily Mail that (though using same headline form about our ship’s colliding with the other) writes that the cargo ship “plowed into” our ship at about 2:30am local time.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pearson365, 6/17/2017 10:04:05 AM     (No. 11289416)

The 760 foot long cargo ship stacked with containers struck the US destroyer with both its bulbous underwater bow and its above water line bow structure. Bulbous underwater bow is why there are white diagrams on the bow of the container ship so that tugs are aware of torpedo-like steel projection. Container ship most likely on auto pilot or with only limited & junior bridge staff at 20 a.m.

But what is disconcerting is that this Aegis class destroyer is supposedly equipped with advanced radars and other electronic detections devices yet it couldn´t detect let alone avoid a very large ship. Our ship was in commercial shipping lanes and should have been aware of nearby ships. Yet the Fitzgerald did not seem aware of the container ship that was on a collision course with it. Not a good indication of competent Navy.




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Reply 9 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 6/17/2017 10:18:25 AM     (No. 11289429)

What a desperate article. It makes no sense. Looking at the sand pebble he missed the ocean. The articles I read, like this one, does say where this happened. That would have been at least a bit of useful information. But the ocean missed is how could these two ships collide (did I say that right?) at sea? This was a sleek new sports car whose windows acted as binoculars and a donkey pulling a cart loaded with bananas that could be seen from a mile away and both on flat terrain. How did the donkey "collide" (T-bone) into the sports car at the intersection? I would like to hear the captain trying to explain that one.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: mamafrog, 6/17/2017 10:18:43 AM     (No. 11289431)

This is a tragic accident - picking apart the language used in the report is disrespectful. My thoughts and prayers are for the missing sailors.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Cherrybark, 6/17/2017 10:48:27 AM     (No. 11289461)

Other posters are correct regarding the right of way rules, at least from the photo evidence. The container ship, to the right of destroyer, was the "Stand On Vessel". By the rules, this ship is to maintain course and speed. The destroyer is to slow and maneuver to the stern of the ship or take other action to avoid collision.

Of course the rules ultimately say both ships must avoid collision but, in the real world, that cargo ship is not capable of doing anything other than plowing straight ahead.

No matter what the rules say or what the relative positions or motions, the watch crew of the destroyer completely failed in their duties. And you can be sure their collision avoidance RADAR was blaring warnings. It is not just the Captain. Several ranks have some serious explaining to do.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rama41, 6/17/2017 10:50:04 AM     (No. 11289465)

There´s more to come out. The container ship was tracking erratically just prior to the collision, and hit the destroyer after making a 180 degree turn. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40310563

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Reply 13 - Posted by: flybynight, 6/17/2017 10:51:50 AM     (No. 11289467)

I don´t know whether the basic rules of the road apply in maritime shipping lanes, but in my backwater of the bay, when two watercraft under power approach each other, 1. The less maneuverable craft has right of way,
2 and the craft approaching to starboard, i.e., from the right, is the stand-on vessel, and is expected to hold course, and
3. Each vessel is expected to attempt to take evasive action to avoid impact.
Looks to me as if both vessels were on autopilot in the middle of the night, some sailor fell asleep at the helm of the Fitzgerald, failed to yield right of way,, and nobody was minding the store on the container ship.
I hope I´m wrong.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Laotzu, 6/17/2017 11:00:21 AM     (No. 11289473)

Plan for human error, or die by its hand.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Fledrmaus, 6/17/2017 11:00:29 AM     (No. 11289474)

Perhaps the destroyer tried to scoot around the front of the container vessel instead of waiting for it to pass, and misjudged the speed and distance? Sort of like people who try to dash through a train crossing instead of waiting for the train to go through.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: 4diogenes, 6/17/2017 11:45:23 AM     (No. 11289499)

If one of our most powerful destroyers cannot avoid a slow moving cargo ship, what are we going to do in a combat situation? Could this be Obama´s navy?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: rolfnader, 6/17/2017 12:04:45 PM     (No. 11289518)

I´m not going to comment on this until I know the age, color, gender and sexual preference of the entire crew.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: kono, 6/17/2017 12:13:36 PM     (No. 11289524)

While #10 is a valid point, it´s also disrespectful to use the incident as a vehicle for the cynical manipulation of public opinion.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 6/17/2017 12:14:00 PM     (No. 11289525)

FTA: “There will plenty of time to assign cause and blame in this tragic accident but how hard is it to accurately report what occurred, without implying cause that is contradicted by the photos? Maybe I’m being picky here but given the proliferation of fake news, this caught my attention. Words are important and carry implications. Remember George Zimmerman as the ‘White Hispanic’?”

The initial radio report I heard also used the verb “collided” and I thought our ship hit the other. It didn’t surprise me to see the opposite had occurred once the photos were released. As to the author’s first question; it is dang hard for propagandists to accurately report anything. As to his second question; no, you’re not being picky. Words matter because they become action, which become habits, forming character, leading to destiny.

This coup against our President and our nation is led by people who have chosen the world’s power and riches offered by evil, and rejected goodness and the life offered by God. It is the eternal battle of evil against good being played out across the entire globe. Our battlefield is the Deep State cabal’s actions to remove Our President, either physically or by political polarization. As our real battle is over evil, our first daily task is to put on the armor of God through prayer and contemplation of Scripture. Here we will receive our guidance how to effect goodness in the world. Our Lord promised the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. Gates are a defensive position. Christ was telling us that we are the ones on the offensive. He has given us a champion that only knows the offensive position. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

MAGA

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Sandbar, 6/17/2017 1:10:13 PM     (No. 11289572)

The old his face attacked my fist defense?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 6/17/2017 1:49:26 PM     (No. 11289610)

I hate to be the fly in the oatmeal..but is there any chance the freighter hit the Naval ship on purpose?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: suejeanne, 6/17/2017 2:09:11 PM     (No. 11289625)

#21 like hijacking a jet to fly it into a building - sounds possible to me!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: MDConservative, 6/17/2017 2:09:33 PM     (No. 11289626)

That is either the most nimble container ship ever launched, or the least nimble destroyer ever built...or someone screwed up.

The BBC reports: "Marine traffic records suggest the ACX Crystal made a sudden U-turn roughly 25 minutes BEFORE the collision with the USS Fitzgerald. It is not clear why it changed course." These things are not navigated by crew in a crows nest with telescopes, but have sophisticated electronics to see ahead. This should be interesting...sadly, it appears to have been tragic.


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Reply 24 - Posted by: agrunt, 6/17/2017 2:47:05 PM     (No. 11289653)

Notice that the Cpt. was injured. My bet on that is that he was asleep and the collision alarm was sounded. It Must have been late as he was in movement when the ships got together.
Either a bad equipment failure of the crew was asleep at the wheel. Either way the Navy way is to screw the Cpt. He is toast.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: KanCreeper, 6/17/2017 3:20:20 PM     (No. 11289671)

Just an observation:USS. Fitzgerald had DAMAGE ON its Starboard side ( That is RIGHT) ContaINER SHIP HAS DAMAGE ON Port side ( that is the LEFT).
It was mentioned that the Container ships anchor engaged the structure of the Destroyer. It appears from the included photo of the Destroyer, The damage seems to have a DOWNWARD Angle and some ´crushing effects´ to the structures on the Destroyer.
It would seem that the cargo vessel hit the destroyer, and wave actions caused it(ACX vessel) to take a downward trajectory as its´ anchor and bow, damaged the structure and side of the USS Fitzgerald.
Looks like somebody on the the ACX vessel was asleep, or was ´trying to ram´[opportunistically?] the Destroyer...
Just my thoughts!


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Reply 26 - Posted by: BigCreek, 6/17/2017 4:26:36 PM     (No. 11289712)

Given how loud the red alert warnings must be on board, I can´t see how anybody could sleep through it. This may sounds as crazy as the container ship being highjacked, but what if the some enemy was using radar jamming equipment and the destroyer never saw it coming?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Salt5792, 6/17/2017 6:05:42 PM     (No. 11289794)

2:30 AM is the mid-watch. Sailors learn to hate it. One night of lost sleep. The officer of the day underway and his lookouts must have been pretty groggy. But that´s no excuse. The Captain and other officers on down will have their careers essentially ended.

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Eaarly last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides. Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race. But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee,

Ferguson attorney: Brown
family settlement $1.5 million

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Associated Press, by Jim Salter    Original Article
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ST. LOUIS - The insurance company for the city of Ferguson, Missouri, paid $1.5 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Michael Brown´s parents, the city attorney said Friday. Attorney Apollo Carey disclosed the amount in an email in response to an open records request. The settlement of the federal lawsuit was announced Tuesday, but financial details were not initially released. Carey declined further comment on the settlement. A phone message seeking comment from the attorney for the family, Anthony Gray, was not immediately returned. Brown, 18, was black and unarmed when he was fatally shot by white officer Darren Wilson

White House Correspondents Unhappy
With Limits on News Briefings

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New York Times, by Michael M. Grynbaum    Original Article
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The televised White House news briefing, after emerging as a can’t-miss ritual of the early days of the Trump administration, has in recent weeks become shorter, less informative and less accessible, with some of the briefings declared off-limits to live broadcasting. The White House Correspondents’ Association is not pleased. “We believe strongly that Americans should be able to watch and listen to senior government officials face questions from an independent news media,” the group’s president, Jeff Mason of Reuters, wrote in a note to members on Friday. Mr. Mason met on Thursday with Sean Spicer, the White House press


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