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End-of-Life Talks May Finally
Overcome Politics

New York Times, by Pam Bellock

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Posted By:mitzi, 8/30/2014 9:12:49 PM

DUNDEE, N.Y. — Five years after it exploded into a political conflagration over “death panels,” the issue of paying doctors to talk to patients about end-of-life care is making a comeback, and such sessions may be covered for the 50 million Americans on Medicare as early as next year. Bypassing the political process, private insurers have begun reimbursing doctors for these “advance care planning” conversations as interest in them rises along with the number of aging Americans. People are living longer with illnesses, and many want more input into how they will spend their final days, including whether they want

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If anyone is interested, the National Catholic Bioethics Center has quite a bit of information on their website. (NCBCenter)

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: bmoc, 8/30/2014 9:15:52 PM     (No. 9987740)

Yeah... no ´politics´ here.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: steph_gray, 8/30/2014 9:23:14 PM     (No. 9987746)

"So, Mr. and Mrs. Tea Party Member, would you prefer the euthanasia pill or the local gulag/re-education camp for your sunset years? We offer a lovely funeral breakfast with the pill."

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Reply 3 - Posted by: richwill, 8/30/2014 9:32:35 PM     (No. 9987757)

That unintelligent Sarah Palin was right.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: SnowQueen, 8/30/2014 9:50:01 PM     (No. 9987773)

How do you like that photo of the creepy doctor leaning into the patient´s personal space while he describes his plans for killing her?

She looks afraid ... and she should be.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ruready?, 8/30/2014 9:56:48 PM     (No. 9987777)

Looks to me as if she is telling that pinheaded physician that she will wipe up the floor with him if he brings it up again.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: fishermanswife, 8/30/2014 9:58:20 PM     (No. 9987779)

Soylent Green.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Harlowe, 8/30/2014 10:00:39 PM     (No. 9987781)

Follow the money: FTA - “But far more significant, MEDICARE MAY BEGIN COVERING END-OF-LIFE DISCUSSIONS NEXT YEAR IF IT APPROVES A RECENT REQUEST FROM THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, the country’s largest association of physicians and medical students. One of the A.M.A.’s roles is to create billing codes for medical services, codes used by doctors, hospitals and insurers. It recently created codes for end-of-life conversations and submitted them to Medicare.”

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Harlowe, 8/30/2014 10:01:24 PM     (No. 9987782)

Until 1980s, the AMA made most of its revenue from physician dues; today, membership is down from 75% in the 1950s. AMA created the CPT codebook, has become an arm of the government, and tells doctors, “Belong to us or you won’t get paid.”

Reference: “The Blaze” – Why the AMA Endorses Obamacare—But Your Doctor Does Not – Dr. Lee Hieb – 11/6/12


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Reply 9 - Posted by: ruready?, 8/30/2014 10:07:18 PM     (No. 9987785)

ISIS could shown them how it´s done. They have end-of-life discussions all the time.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: PAdiva, 8/30/2014 10:51:53 PM     (No. 9987801)

It´s that what a living will is for?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 8/30/2014 10:53:12 PM     (No. 9987803)

I read a slightly different version of this on the healthnews.org site for this state. It seems your physician can give your personal info to a third party group of psychologist who have never seen you. That person calls to talk about your end of life plans. That would certainly be depressing if I thought it was going to be awhile before I was going to die or even recover.

I resent the violation of HIPPA and my doctor getting a bonus to ask personal questions, plus another $49 to co-ordinate my specialist. Shouldn´t he be doing that already ? Not too happy about them asking if I have a living will either.

That Sarah is way ahead of the curve.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: john56, 8/30/2014 11:02:06 PM     (No. 9987811)

Wait a minute. I thought loudmouth Grayson (D-FL) said the REPUBLICAN health care plan was for people to "die quickly."

I guess that was like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" or "honey, I´ll still respect you in the morning."

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 8/30/2014 11:57:52 PM     (No. 9987833)

Thanks OP for the reference to the Catholic Bioethics Center.

I wrote my own "advanced directive" based upon the teachings of the Catholic Church, complete with entire paragraphs transcribed from the Catechism. I did not use the form/guidebook supplied by my doctor. My doctor seemed intrigued and we had an interesting conversation. He kept wanting to pin down specific care for specific medical situations, and was uncomfortable with the moral principles outlined by the Church. I told him if there was ever a question over a specific procedure that he and the family can always call in a Catholic priest for guidance.

Note to All: Be careful that you include specific reference to food and water. The medical community considers food and water to be medical care. If you request no "heroic" measures this could include nutrition/hydration. Remember Terry Shivo.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: littleorby, 8/31/2014 1:05:37 AM     (No. 9987865)

Actually I agree, in THEORY of death panels, but NOT in practically application. To follow is one of many, many scary scenarios:

He´s a very rich man who has children now grown. He not exactly a tyrant, but certainly cold, tight-fisted, and unlikeable. The children conspire to find a doctor (and they can be found), who determines it is best he be put to death, now. The good doctors decision affords the children an opportunity to divide the spoils a bit earlier than nature would naturally dictate.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: AGGW, 8/31/2014 1:22:22 AM     (No. 9987871)

Good point about food and water #13. Most people don´t know that.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 8/31/2014 2:10:46 AM     (No. 9987886)

what will start out as optional will becomne mandatory.

this is the path of the Stalinists..you can´t get everyone to buy into your utopian plans, so at some point they become mandatory, which of course requires harsh penalities to ensure compliance.
"the workers must be crushed in order to usher in the workers paradise"

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Reply 17 - Posted by: killerbee, 8/31/2014 2:24:28 AM     (No. 9987888)

The reality is that Palin wasn´t talking about "end-of-life talks" when she referenced "Death Panels". That was the deliberate misinterpretation by the Dem-media. She was referring to the efficacy panels that are indeed panels of bureaucrats who decide who gets what care. The cheerleaders still don´t want to be honest about this aspect.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/31/2014 4:52:52 AM     (No. 9987905)

There you have it! The goobermint owns your body and will determine when you meet your maker. The only technology left is how to make solient green.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/31/2014 5:02:51 AM     (No. 9987906)

These two criminals are Barry´s and Holder´s ´type of people´ which they can relate to as their perfect sons.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/31/2014 5:03:30 AM     (No. 9987907)

Wrong post. It belongs on the next article.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: civilservant, 9/2/2014 10:21:18 AM     (No. 9990254)

Heck, I know of an ´old grey lady´ that has been on life support for YEARS.
Even had to go to a Mexican ´fixer´ to get a fresh infusion. I agree that it is far past time to have the "talk" with her.....

OK, NYTimes, it´s time to take the red pill. Your time has passed.

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