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Why Karl Rove and the GOP
Establishment Will Lose Again

American Thinker, by C. Edmund Wright

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Posted By:SpeedMaster, 8/29/2014 8:12:45 AM

Karl Rove is at it once again. The so-called “strategist” is again confusing strategy with tactics, and is about to blow easy Senate pickups in Arkansas and North Carolina. This is not merely snatching defeat from the jaws of victory -- this is snatching defeat from the bowels of victory -- in astonishing tone-deaf fashion. There is absolutely no excuse for not winning these two races. So how is the one-time “boy genius” doing this? By running ads attacking Senators Mark Pryor and Kay Hagan from the left. Yes, you heard that right. Rove’s Crossroads GPS PAC is insisting in their latest


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ilovedogs, 8/29/2014 8:20:45 AM     (No. 9985575)

When will Rove leave the building? He´s like the Clintons He just won´t go away.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: An Afternoon Walk, 8/29/2014 8:21:13 AM     (No. 9985577)

Karl Rove reportedly raised millions and millions of dollars last election cycle. Where is all that money? Where are the results? He is not the architect or the brain. He was lucky to be paired with the rich connected famous son of a rich connected famous president. How hard could it have been really to engineer the election of W especially against the childish and wooden Gore?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: AltaD, 8/29/2014 8:27:35 AM     (No. 9985585)

Who put him in charge of anything? And why do candidates that have a chance of winning put their careers in his hands?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 8/29/2014 8:32:04 AM     (No. 9985595)

Must read.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: rabidrepublican, 8/29/2014 8:44:41 AM     (No. 9985612)

Even if we win with Karl Rove´s choices we still lose.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/29/2014 8:52:29 AM     (No. 9985623)

Posted by the L-Dotter who enthusiastically everyone to vote for the Democrats in November whenever possible. So, why be bothered about Karl Rove? We can commit suicide without his help.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: WhamDBambam, 8/29/2014 8:55:14 AM     (No. 9985630)

Someone´s developing a hall-monitor problem...

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Passion, 8/29/2014 9:03:07 AM     (No. 9985646)

MUST MUST MUST read. Rove´s brain described in a new way. Explains so much.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: kahunavol, 8/29/2014 9:10:31 AM     (No. 9985659)

If you´re going to position yourself to the left of Kay Hagan please explain why I shouldn´t vote for her as the more conservative candidate.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 8/29/2014 9:10:38 AM     (No. 9985660)

OP´s previous comments has no bearing on the merits of this must read article (and it is a must read). It stands on its own. In fact, I was ready to post it if it hadn´t already been posted. I was glad to see that someone beat me to the punch.

Did I say this is a must read?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: MissMolly, 8/29/2014 9:21:14 AM     (No. 9985682)

I believe the point is why worry about anything Karl Rove might do or say or finance if we´re all supposed to vote for the Democrats anyway. Rove is pretty immaterial under those circumstances.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Passion, 8/29/2014 9:25:53 AM     (No. 9985694)

This is a MR fo shizzle!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: GoDeacs79, 8/29/2014 9:27:40 AM     (No. 9985697)

Tillis was the front-runner in the NC primary for the entire campaign, but still had to go through that process. In the meantime Hagan has been running ads against him all year, accusing him of gutting education and medicare and all the other tried-and-true Democrat talking points. (Tillis is currently speaker of the house in the NC legislature. The Dems have proposed a host of ridiculous items this year that had no chance of passing, just to create fodder for Hagan. For example, the $500 million "cut" to education that Hagan constantly harps on - the truth is that the education budget actually increased, but by $500 mil less than the Dems asked for.) The bottom line is that Hagan had the first opportunity to define Tillis (most voters couldn´t name anyone in state government beyond the governor)and he is now having to unpaint the image she portrayed of him. Plus, Hagan has tons of money at her disposal.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 8/29/2014 9:29:20 AM     (No. 9985700)

To correct # 6´s lies. I do not advocate voting for dems except for the US Senate. Remember the "establishment" CoC backed RINO´s won all the senate primaries because WAR was declared on conservatives by mitch mcConnell (the man to replace dingy harry). It makes no sense for a conservative to vote for mitch mcConnell.

At least with dingy harry and a R House their agenda is stymied. Does anyone here really think mitch will send bills to obama that face a sure veto, thus a gov shutdown. Remember mitch has already promised he will not allow another shutdown.

If/when the "establishment" continues to abuse it´s conservative base the longer they will continue to lose. You need us more than we need you, we have already seen what the CoC establishment promotes and it is not the conservative agenda thus I will not support the backstabbers again.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rinktum, 8/29/2014 9:39:09 AM     (No. 9985717)

I have attempted to write a comment on Karl Rove three times now, but words fail me. All my attempts can be boiled down to this: Karl Rove is the enemy.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: stryker714, 8/29/2014 9:47:54 AM     (No. 9985732)

Oh come on do the ads really say that Cotton and Tillis would make better liberals than Hagan and Pryor? That´s out there. It might be a democrat tactic to attack those who want to diminish social program eligibility but if it works against democrats, run with it.

´ disagree with the article´s premise to use different tactics in different races is bad idea: It is ok to be adaptive to the individual races. After all these are midterms not presidential elections. Most citizens won´t know what issues are being fought over in other states anyway.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: KarenJ1, 8/29/2014 11:22:29 AM     (No. 9985918)

FTA: Rove made a point to personally insult my book at a GOP convention in Charlotte in 2013, calling it a “poorly researched piece of trash.”

Rove can´t handle the truth. Wright´s book "W*F? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again" skewers the establishment Republicans, who he shortened to GOPe, I hope Wright doesn´t mind if we use that here.

From Wright´s book: The subject of Obama’s awfulness was not what the establishment wanted because Mitt’s not very good at that subject. The arrogant and controlling establishment was telling us to shut up, sit down, and listen to our bettors – and everything would work out just fine. In this way, the GOP establishment is similar to very thing we fight against in the Federal government, the arrogant controlling assumption that the elites know what we really need...They flaunt a faux bipartisanship to gain Washington credibility by trashing other Republicans, especially conservative ones.

Wright speaks the absolute truth and if we don´t follow his advice we will lose once again.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Susannah, 8/29/2014 11:39:30 AM     (No. 9985950)

#16, No they don´t say that at all. I just watched a couple of Tillis´s ads at his website. C. Edmund appears to be trying to drum up sales for his self-published book.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 8/29/2014 11:50:12 AM     (No. 9985975)

Wright wasn´t able to find a publisher? Uh-oh.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: radrelic, 8/29/2014 11:57:21 AM     (No. 9985986)

"Conservatives´ are stiff-necked and filled with pride to the point that they are the reason will lose again.

Those who will not see the centrist light and will threaten my way or the highway could give us a Clinton presidency--but then as religious folks we all might know it must be God´s will?

Our choice to freely make but His to use us all to His purposes? What part will we play And who will blame whom? Most everyone but the only ones they can control, themselves?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 8/29/2014 12:10:45 PM     (No. 9985998)

Ditto those who say this is a must Must Read.

C. Edmund Wright said very clearly and succinctly what many of us have been thinking and saying in one way or another for some time.

I know this much. If Republicans adopt liberal policies - if voters with deeply held moral, conservative values are not given a choice of standing for those moral and conservative values at the ballot box - many will not vote. It has nothing to do with animus toward any particular person. It has to do with deliberately supporting something God has condemned. That would mean moving beyond supporting the lesser of two evils to supporting evil. No amount of chiding or rationalizing the "temporary" selling of one´s soul to the devil in order to achieve an immediate purpose will change that. We are at the point of ´choose you this day´.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: dman, 8/29/2014 12:52:56 PM     (No. 9986095)

While there is apparently no love lost between Mr. Wright and Mr. Rove, the article cuts Karl too much slack.

It is more than a matter of tactics vs strategy. It is a matter of allegiance. There are (at least) three distinct interest groups in America:
1) Investors, corporatists, and globalists - the Wall Street types that back the GOPe;
2) The Democrat constituents of dependants, illegal immigrants, labor unions, over the hill sixties hippies and their modern day recruits, and media lackeys;
3) Main street blue collar, first level white collar, and independent small business types who work hard, try to follow the rules, and struggle to get by and provide a future for their families. (aka: the "screwees")

While there is overlap (picture a Venn diagram) the three are distinct. Immigration is one issue that separates them.

Unfortunately for now, there is no political party that represents the third group. Perot´s effort exposed the vacuum (until the aliens landed on Ross´ lawn). The Tea Party movement gained momentum and traction in 2010, but has been co-opted (I believe deliberately) by Agenda 21 and similar issues, and by obsession with 501(c)(3) status. What is needed is a formal, organized political party to represent it.

I believe that the GOP is on the same path that led the Whigs into oblivion. The denial the Rove displayed on FNC the evening of 11/6/12, when he challenged Chris Stirewalt´s call of the Ohio results, highlighted that.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 8/29/2014 1:06:40 PM     (No. 9986117)

# 20 What gave us a clinton presidency was the ability by the voters to "read lips". Thanks for making my point!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 8/29/2014 1:22:28 PM     (No. 9986145)

#23, I have carefully read your lengthy and numerous posts and I have been unable to locate a logical and understandable point. I believe your argument goes in circles.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 8/29/2014 4:50:21 PM     (No. 9986358)

# 24 an exercise to help you out.
1). Retrive (get) a sheet of paper from your printer.
2). Place it landscape (long side down) in front of you
3). Draw a small circle (trace a dime if you need to) on each end of the paper
4). Using a straight edge (ruler) draw a line between the two circles
5). Repeat until you can "connect the dots" mentally.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 8/29/2014 5:13:23 PM     (No. 9986375)

As stated by a previous poster (!), you proved my point.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 8/29/2014 5:29:54 PM     (No. 9986388)

That was me and YES YOU DID

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Reply 28 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 8/30/2014 12:52:03 PM     (No. 9987313)

Although I may disagree with him at times, I am not a Karl Rove hater. I see no reason to demonize him.

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Rosie O´Donnell, Whoopi Goldberg
get in shouting match in front
of ´The View´ studio audience

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New York Daily News, by Don Kaplan    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 9/30/2014 5:43:43 AM     Post Reply
Well, that didn’t take long. Just two weeks into the new season of “The View,” co-hosts Rosie O’Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg tore into each other during a commercial break — in front of their stunned studio audience. The spat erupted Thursday after Goldberg interrupted O’Donnell to go to a commercial break before the mother of five was finished commenting in a “Hot Topic” discussion about spanking children on the ABC gabfest. O’Donnell refuses to wear an earpiece to stay in contact with producers while the live show is airing, so she had no clue it was time to stop talking.

The Difference Between Winners and Whiners
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American Spectator, by David Catron    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 9/29/2014 4:59:22 AM     Post Reply
Democrats think conservatives in general, and Tea Partiers in particular, are stupid. Here’s how to reinforce that belief: Sit out the 2014 congressional elections because your favorite candidate lost his primary bid to an establishment Republican. If you live in Kansas, for example, you can suck your thumb while Democrat ringer Greg Orman beats Republican Senator Pat Roberts. If you’re a Kentucky conservative, you can stay home and b***h about Mitch while Alison “Rubberstamp” Grimes heads to Washington. If you’re in Mississippi, you can stay mad at Thad and allow Travis “no repeal” Childers to win. That’ll show those RINOs! It

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