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Knee offender: United flight diverted
after passengers fight over legroom

Washington Post, by Abby Phillip

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Posted By:Toledo, 8/26/2014 10:30:44 AM

A United Airlines flight from Newark to Denver was diverted because of two passengers who were fighting over a little bit of legroom. A woman and a man — both seated in the “Economy Plus” section of the aircraft, which already comes with extra legroom — were at each other’s throats because the man attached a “knee defender” device to his seat, preventing the woman in front from reclining, according the Associated Press. The $22 device locks onto the tray table on the back of the seat, making it impossible for the person in front to recline during the flight.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 8/26/2014 10:33:36 AM     (No. 9981655)

At 6´5", I may have to order one of those! I have even offered to switch seats with a serial knee-banger, and he refused...

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Reply 2 - Posted by: horacer, 8/26/2014 10:39:59 AM     (No. 9981667)

There´s a right to legroom now? I´d like a right to sit next to someone who remembered to bathe before flying.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Tusker, 8/26/2014 10:46:17 AM     (No. 9981676)



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Reply 4 - Posted by: enuf8, 8/26/2014 10:47:04 AM     (No. 9981677)

My biggest complaint is parents who allow children to stand in their seat, either in front or in back of me allowing them to sneeze or cough on me and the parents do nothing.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Tusker, 8/26/2014 10:48:32 AM     (No. 9981678)

Having ones own plane and avoiding the great unwashed hooded masses is better.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: strike3, 8/26/2014 11:40:29 AM     (No. 9981747)

Riding the motorcycle everywhere is my answer. The airlines can keep their shoddy service and the ill-mannered passengers who use it.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Megrits, 8/26/2014 11:57:12 AM     (No. 9981776)

Surprised the airlines allow them.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: avikingman, 8/26/2014 12:00:46 PM     (No. 9981783)

Don´t be fooled by Delta´s Economy Plus seating. It´s fore and aft only. The width is for kids.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: KansasWind, 8/26/2014 12:06:44 PM     (No. 9981793)

Interesting conflict:
1. right to knee room
2. right to incline

Glad it´s an issue.

I thought there were regulations on the amount of knee room provided. If there are, it´s way too tight.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 8/26/2014 12:20:35 PM     (No. 9981813)

One of the selling points of the "economy plus" seats is the additional angle of recline. Unless the person behind me is in the start of the regular economy seats and didn´t understand that he was going to be behind an extra reclined seat I cannot see why the offended passenger should not expect the guy in front to use what he paid extra for.

If the person behind wants to deter me from using the extra recline feature that I paid for I would expect that he compensate me in part for the additional cost of my ticket. These anti-reclining folks can reserve bulkhead seats - with no "in-front" issues. They cost a little more but if you have knee problems you should be willing to pay for the upgrade.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 8/26/2014 12:22:04 PM     (No. 9981818)

I don´t what aircraft some Ldotters are traveling on, but a few days´ ago I rode a 737-300 series. The "recline" (!) was an entire 2.5".

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Kowgirl, 8/26/2014 12:26:32 PM     (No. 9981823)

According to the article, United (as well as most major airlines) has banned the use of "knee defenders" on their equipment. This begs the question as to why the flight attendants didn´t remove, and confiscate, the device when the male passenger refused when requested to do so. Dollars-to-donuts the female passenger was being squished because the passenger in front of her had reclined that seat.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/26/2014 12:37:39 PM     (No. 9981847)

I am of average height but have used my own knees to nudge the person in front into lifting their full recline a bit. Ugly to have some guy´s greasy head almost in one´s lap. You could count cooties.

Common sense tells us that the full recline position is simply too full unless the seat behind it is empty. Unlikely.

The airlines should bite the bullet and put its own restriction in place.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: agrunt, 8/26/2014 1:04:06 PM     (No. 9981898)

Just as your right to put your fist up to but not touching my nose, your right to recline your seat ends before you cram your seat into my knees. I have had people setting in front of me repeatedly slam their seat into my knees. I ask them to have some common sense and stop as I cannot shorten my legs. Some have refused until I retaliate by slamming the heel of my hand into the back of their seat till their head bounces off the seat in front of them. One can only take being attacked by the back of a seat only so long.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: No Representation in CA, 8/26/2014 2:06:10 PM     (No. 9982003)

Flying is torture, plain and simple. Got DVT from the last one. Screw it, never again!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: shimmer128, 8/26/2014 2:45:07 PM     (No. 9982060)

I seem to be in the minority here, but I don´t care. I´m with post 14 and the side of the knee-defender guy! You can sit up, but I can´t do anything about my long legs. And I´m only 5´9"!!!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 8/26/2014 3:32:26 PM     (No. 9982115)

Badly behaving fellow passengers--in the airport and in the aircraft-- are the first reason why I fly only when it is necessary.

The attitude of the airlines seems to be "we don´t want to get involved" as they cram more passengers into their aircraft and even talk about stand-up flights.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: frede, 8/26/2014 4:22:18 PM     (No. 9982164)

Before I even read this article, I was debating with myself if a trip to San Paullo would be worth the pain and discomfort of the trip from NY. Part of the passengers "Bill of Rights" should specify the space one is paying for. It should specify a "Standard Seat". Width and Pitch. If the airlines wish to crowd them, the seat price could be less. There are tall people, not of their choice, or those that are old, handicapped, etc, and they should not be forced to pay first class fare. Fat is ofr the most part by the passengers choice.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Udanja99, 8/26/2014 5:51:49 PM     (No. 9982293)

I´d rather have a recliner in front of me than an obese person next to me who´s spilling into my seat without paying me for the extra room. Anyone who needs a seat belt extender should be forced to buy two seats.

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