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Could a wording ´glitch´ doom
Obama´s healthcare law?

Los Angeles Times, by David G. Savage

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Posted By:JoniTx, 8/25/2014 11:02:46 PM

When a federal appeals court ruled last month that a seemingly arcane wording flaw in the Affordable Care Act should invalidate a central part of the law, many of those who drafted the statute five years ago reacted with shock and anger. In 2009, they had spent months piecing together a compromise that sought to create a national system of subsidized insurance — but one run by the states. Now, they fear their work could be undone by what some call a "drafting error" and others portray as a political miscalculation. The judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: bridgepard, 8/25/2014 11:34:53 PM     (No. 9981134)

It wasn´t a wording glitch.
It was an intentional feature.
Stop the lies already.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: enuf8, 8/25/2014 11:39:48 PM     (No. 9981139)

Hmmm....make it appear the compromise was between both parties and not just the Dems who constructed it. Here again comes up the fact that it was the Senate Bill which was shoved down everybody´s throat on Christmas Eve----making Tax Laws which is not in the Senate´s jurisdiction by left strictly to the House.

When Robert´s Called the Bill a TAX, Boehner held in his hands all he needed to contest the bill and it would have been dead. Look at the billions already wasted on this useless piece of junk legislation.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Kerryman, 8/25/2014 11:41:51 PM     (No. 9981142)

The wordings intent was coercive from the beginning to force the States to enroll. It was not a "glitch" or a "scrivener´s error".

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/25/2014 11:44:37 PM     (No. 9981145)

There´s more than enough evidence out there - articles and videos to prove it wasn´t a glitch.

Too bad the LA Times doesn´t know how to Google.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 8/25/2014 11:49:39 PM     (No. 9981148)

"what the law intended"

now there is a phrase dear to every leftist liberal progressive. they´re professional pols...the vast majority of the leftists are lawyers..they know full well that words have meanings. They were stuck with those words when they lost the Kennedy Senate seat and couldn´t include the language they wanted...so they had to claim the law, as it was written, had been "deemed passed" by both chambers of the congress, otherwise they wouldn´t get any new bill passed...

NOW they want to re-write the law as "it was intended". Well you know, that version was never voted on or passed...

It´s not a "glitch", it´s what they barely passed through Congress cuz that´s all they could finagle at the time.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Objectivity, 8/25/2014 11:55:16 PM     (No. 9981151)

study how the LATimes reports this ......if this is not calculated propaganda then what is it?



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Reply 7 - Posted by: Pearson365, 8/25/2014 11:55:35 PM     (No. 9981153)

FTA: Topher Spiro, a former Senate health policy staffer now at the Center for American Progress, said he viewed the lawsuits as "silly, not to be taken seriously." "Other than a few right-wing activists, no one thought this was a legitimate challenge," he said.

Interesting the LA Slimes uses the radical left Center for American Progress as a neutral, non partisan source that should be taken seriously. And, the LAT uses a quote that marginalizes conservatives while never providing a response from a group opposed to ObamaCare and its horrible language. LAT and the NYT will be working overtime to say that this law doesn´t mean what it says about health insurance subsidies.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: dvc, 8/26/2014 12:10:10 AM     (No. 9981172)

As has been pointed out, this is NOT a glitch, and they know it.

The LA Slimes, lying again - it´s what they are best at.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Libertygal, 8/26/2014 12:16:14 AM     (No. 9981179)

This "law", I use the term loosely, is a victim of blowback, simply due to being a victim of unexpected circumstances.

That states so highly chose to opt out, thereby, rejecting Federal Funds, no matter what anyone says, was a bribe, totally went against everything Pelosi, Reid, et al, were hoping for.

Simply put, they had hoped all the states would be money mongers like them, willing to sell their entire state down the river to line their pockets.

It speaks volumes, both about the states that refused to, as well as the ones that chkse to.

Volumes.


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Reply 10 - Posted by: ronnietheK, 8/26/2014 12:50:52 AM     (No. 9981201)

Let´s say arguendo that it was a drafting error. Happens all the time with tax laws for example. CONGRESS (not O) then passes a "technical corrections" bill which the president signs to fix these errors. That´s NOT going to happen here. Of course, this was most certainly not a drafting error in reality.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jerrodmason, 8/26/2014 2:02:36 AM     (No. 9981233)

Everyody is concentrating on the subsidy issue, but subsidies are linked to employer mandates. No subsidy, no provision for penalties on employers who don´t go along.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: 6ironejd, 8/26/2014 4:01:01 AM     (No. 9981254)

This article is pure dreck.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: uno, 8/26/2014 6:46:51 AM     (No. 9981337)

It is not just the billions that have already been wasted on this useless piece of junk legislation. There are lives involved here as well! Life is cheap to a "Progressive". Just look at any Third World Socialist toilet!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Janjan, 8/26/2014 7:38:43 AM     (No. 9981373)

This is not a wording glitch. This is the result of thrown together legislation, mainly written by aids, that no one read before they passed it. And forcing me to fund health care for someone in another State is not a ´technical correction´. It is a liberal dream come true.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: msjena, 8/26/2014 7:50:19 AM     (No. 9981387)

If the Democrats hadn´t rammed through this bill without a single Republican vote, a "glitch" wouldn´t be a problem. Congress could just amend the law. They are just reaping what they have sown.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: strike3, 8/26/2014 7:52:40 AM     (No. 9981389)

Obamacare was doomed from the beginning because it is unconstitutional, unworkable, unsustainable and because patriotic Americans will NOT be forced to do anything. We have paid a premium price for freedom and we won´t be giving it up because some jelly-headed dictator says so. It´s only a matter of time.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 8/26/2014 8:07:35 AM     (No. 9981402)

Some good, very conservative governors declined the subsidies because they knew the money would be withdrawn at some point and the states themselves would be responsible for the whole, overwhelming cost.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: msjena, 8/26/2014 8:16:54 AM     (No. 9981414)

The last sentence of this article has it exactly backwards. The language of a statute is the best evidence of intent. To rely on something other than the language allows the minority, who couldn´t get their language included, to claim that the intent was something other than what the law says. It is not the role of the courts to change the clear and unambiguous language. That is up to the democratic process--if the public sentiment has shifted since the law was passed, not amending a law is what a democracy is all about.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MattMusson, 8/26/2014 8:26:42 AM     (No. 9981424)

It makes me angry when I see a reporter deliberately lying to support a cause. In this case, an entire paper is lying - trying to persude the gullible and those who ´want to believe´.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Carolina Kat, 8/26/2014 9:40:43 AM     (No. 9981542)

Take heart, Conservatives, this is CYA on an unpopular law. It should be gone already.

The glitch is a feature not a bug, just like the LA Times is a bug not a feature.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mickturn, 8/26/2014 9:43:00 AM     (No. 9981550)

Not an error, this was intended to FORCE the STATES to set up exchanges...and it failed.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: oh-heck, 8/26/2014 10:00:45 AM     (No. 9981627)

The flip side of not getting premium support subsidies is not having penalties for employers in the state that doesn´t offer ´approved´ health insurance through a state exchange. The reason the employer mandate was delayed for a year is that business would have taken ACA and IRS to court the moment they tried to collect a tax not created by Congress.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: BetseyRoss, 8/26/2014 11:40:24 AM     (No. 9981746)

There is no law and fussing about what the law intended is an exercise in futility. Obama changes it on a whim with no interference from the courts. This country is in shambles because there is no rule of law anymore.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: trapper, 8/26/2014 12:10:10 PM     (No. 9981796)

It was not a language glitch. It was intentional, deliberate language negotiated between the Democrats with no Republican input. But it was based upon a set of faulty assumptions and predictions that didn´t pan out. Now the whole house of cards will come toppling down. It´s not savable. Just as the electorate was forced by Roberts and the Supreme Court to live with its political choices, its elected officials will soon be forced by that court to live with theirs. All that blackmail and bribery for naught.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Butch59, 8/26/2014 12:18:19 PM     (No. 9981808)

I´m not the bit surprised that the Dims are yelling about the "intent" of the law rather than the language of the law. After all, for many decades now they have been telling us about what the "intent" of the founders of the country and the writers of the Constitution really "intended" when the wrote the document. And see, it´s really understandable. Dims are blessed with the ability to read minds, even of those who have be dead and gone for over 200yrs. And we, the unwashed, should be soooo appreciative that they can do this. It´s so they can "do the right thing" for us. Of course that means what they decide is the right thing, not us.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: pucky1, 8/26/2014 12:47:46 PM     (No. 9981869)

"established by the state" appears 15 times in the ACA as a conditional clause.

Hardly a glitch repeated 15 times

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Reply 27 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 8/26/2014 1:36:35 PM     (No. 9981950)

What a reprehensible article.

The truth is actually mentioned in the article but glossed over. In fear of being accused of a federal power grab, some Senators insisted on a fig leaf of saying that the subsidies would only be available for state agencies. It was a deliberate position staked out to buy votes of some Senators.

I´m sure the liberals would have liked to remove that language in conference, but they were too rushed in trying to circumvent legislative procedures to ram it trough to polish it up. As noted, support for state subsidies only is mentioned numerous times in the law. It´s not an "oops".

So does the court support what the law plainly says, what was negotiated to get the support needed to pass the law in the first place or do they accept the law as it was wished to be by liberals?

If they accept liberal fantasy as law, there might as well be no law.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Conradca, 8/26/2014 2:17:45 PM     (No. 9982023)

The progressive fascist tried to force states to set up exchanges by penalizing them with the withdrawal of federal money and the ObamaCare subsidies. The Supreme Court said the penalties were unconstitutional. The law says that the subsidies are only available at state exchanges and that is what the Supreme Court is going to rule.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 8/26/2014 2:34:42 PM     (No. 9982046)

I don´t want to see Stinkycare overturned by court rulings.

I want to see it overturned by votes of congress and a presidential signature.

That´s the only Constitutional, democratic way to do it. But will a Pubbie congress and a Pubbie president ever have the guts?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: suziesuburbanite, 8/26/2014 3:26:52 PM     (No. 9982109)

This isn´t the wording glitch that said subsidies were only available for registered democrat voters?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Ida lil, 8/26/2014 8:55:00 PM     (No. 9982516)

To be precise one half the Congress was swimming in midnight oil to push through a poorly written bill unwanted by the majority of Americans. Burning midnight leads to quick decisions based on false concepts of morality .
There was no inclusion of proper means just liberal promises of everything free except real health care. Sexual tools and pills were the main topic because the stupid half burning the oil thought the public was jaded enough to consider only that concept.

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moves there and costs them
£40,000 a month in benefits

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Daily Mail [UK], by John Hall    Original Article
Posted By: Judy W.- 9/17/2014 8:10:03 PM     Post Reply
A village of just 1,000 residents in Switzerland has been forced to raise taxes because an African refugee and her seven children cost the local authority £40,000 in benefits every month. Hagenbuch, in the Swiss canton of Zurich, is understood to be spending close to a third of its total annual budget on the family after they arrived from Eritrea in East Africa three years ago. The massive benefits bill covers day-to-day living expenses such as groceries and cleaning costs, as well as paying for four of the woman´s children to be housed in an orphanage and even bills for

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee
on the strategy for dealing with ISIL

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Kingwood Observer (Houston, TX), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Scottyboy- 9/17/2014 5:55:33 PM     Post Reply
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, a Senior Member of the House Homeland Security Committee and House Judiciary Committee and Ranking Member of the Border and Maritime Subcommittee.(snip) The Congresswoman released the following statement: “The bloodshed at the hands of ISIL has been enormous. Religious minorities have been persecuted. American and British citizens have been beheaded. There is a further threat of other innocent human beings to be beheaded or killed in some way. It is also clear that a war including the United States is not the answer. I abhor the violence of war when diplomacy can be used.

Dick Durbin: Amnesty Bill Will
Help Contain Ebola

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Breitbart Big Government, by Tony Lee    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/17/2014 6:37:23 AM     Post Reply
On Tuesday, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) said that a comprehensive amnesty bill would have helped America contain the Ebola epidemic in Africa. Durbin, a member of the Senate´s Gang of Eight that wrote the immigration reform bill, said during a Senate hearing on Ebola that the Senate´s amnesty bill would have even allowed doctors in the United States to travel to Africa to combat Ebola "without jeopardizing their immigration status." “We included in the immigration reform bill, which passed the United States Senate, a provision which provided, in one respect, if you are medically trained in Africa and promise to

Corker´s Kerry Critique Leaves
Boxer ´Shaking and Trembling´

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Breitbart TV, by Pam Key    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/17/2014 4:54:50 PM     Post Reply
(Video) Wednesday at the Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on U.S. strategy for combating ISIS, after Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) criticized Secretary of State John Kerry, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) was left "shaking and trembling" in shock. Boxer said, "I think it is shocking and a sad state of affairs that we heard just now, such angry comments aimed at you, Mr. Secretary, and through you, at our president instead of at ISIS, a savage group who decapitated two Americans and have warned, and I quote, that their thirst for more American blood is right out there." "I think it´s shocking,"


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