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A Brash Style That Filled Pews,
Until Followers Had Their Fill

New York Times, by Michael Paulson

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 8/24/2014 5:54:56 PM

SEATTLE — Mark Driscoll has long been an evangelical bad boy, a gifted orator and charismatic leader who built one of the nation’s most influential megachurches despite, or perhaps fueled by, a foul mouth, a sharp temper and frank talk about sex. (Snip) But now Mr. Driscoll’s empire appears to be imploding. He has been accused of creating a culture of fear at the church, of plagiarizing, of inappropriately using church funds and of consolidating power to such a degree that it has become difficult for anyone to challenge or even question him. A flood of former Mars Hill staff

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Another mega-church leader who is going down in flames (he is reportedly taking a leave of absence).

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Japanorama, 8/24/2014 5:57:43 PM     (No. 9979235)

Another NYT religious hit-piece, no doubt.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: cartcart, 8/24/2014 5:59:17 PM     (No. 9979237)

Isn´t that sort of predictable when the man becomes more important that the message?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/24/2014 6:09:56 PM     (No. 9979245)

People are always looking for a spiritual leader.

Christians already have One. We can follow His teachings and pray without intercession.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/24/2014 6:12:32 PM     (No. 9979248)

I don´t call exposing a pseudo-religious opportunist a "religious hit piece".

What do oratorical gifts and charisma have to do with true belief?

A shock jock Elmer Gantry filling his own coffer? No thanks.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Heil Liberals, 8/24/2014 6:27:40 PM     (No. 9979259)

The last megalomaniac religious leader that I recall lead over 900 people to their suicides. Jim Jones anyone? It is good to bring down the mighty. Religion earns no one a free pass.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 8/24/2014 6:29:03 PM     (No. 9979261)

i don´t recall any stories on Rev Wright or any BLACK church leaders..
i could care LESS what some people do with their OWN money when they are over the age of 21..
i wonder if michael paulson could do an article on THE BIGGEST FRAUD IN HISTORY.. BARACK OBAMA..
he IS half-WHITE.. maybe THAT would be enough reason to go after him..

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Screwgun, 8/24/2014 6:33:44 PM     (No. 9979268)

Driscoll should hang out with Glenn Beck. They would make a lovely couple.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hermoine, 8/24/2014 6:54:39 PM     (No. 9979275)

Chris Rosebrough over at Fighting for the Faith has had Mark Driscoll´s number for a long, long time. While the NYT may be reveling in bringing down a "Christian mega-church pastor", the truth is, he needed to be brought down as he was preaching Driscoll-centered ideology not a Christ-centered ideology.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: TX_blanke, 8/24/2014 7:09:04 PM     (No. 9979281)

All that is required is for members to stop donating money or to give directed donations so that the money cannot be used for his salary. That should make him disinterested in this particular congregation very quickly.


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Reply 10 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/24/2014 7:18:30 PM     (No. 9979293)

Re #8, good information.

From the article, he´s created a "culture of fear"? Apparently some who were "followers" have complained and are the basis for this article.

How can any LDotter defend him?

As for relativism re Jeremiah Wright - what does that have to do with thisi particular person? Sometimes I just shake my head in wonder...

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bullhead, 8/24/2014 7:45:12 PM     (No. 9979315)

After reading the article, the rambling, verbose, and uninformative Wheeler letter, and the World magazine piece, I cannot understand what Driscoll has done to deserve censure.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth, 8/24/2014 7:49:42 PM     (No. 9979318)

#10, it is not inappropriate to note the source of this article, and to point out its hypocrisy vis-a-vis "church" leaders it finds more politically palatable.

One suspects that, had this person opened his church to Democrat politicians and campaigns, the New York Times would have found this story to be utterly uninteresting and not newsworthy. It would merely be a "local story."

It is odd that, given the very origin of this website, any long time poster could be perplexed that many other posters gloss over the story and merely give the NY Times another well deserved shot. That any long time poster could similarly see a defense of this miscreant pastor in an attack on one of conservatism´s bête noires is equally mystifying. I too am shaking my head in wonder, though for a rather different reason.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 8/24/2014 7:54:43 PM     (No. 9979326)

8 - Janet Mefford too. Her radio program tomorrow could be interesting...

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Hermoine, 8/24/2014 8:06:34 PM     (No. 9979338)

By the way, if you´re interested, you can listen to Chris doll out a daily discernment of God´s word. He keeps it very real and I really enjoy listening to him because he knows Greek, Latin and Hebrew.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Hermoine, 8/24/2014 8:07:32 PM     (No. 9979340)

Sorry, meant to include the web site: www.fightingforthefaith.com

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Reply 16 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 8/24/2014 8:21:10 PM     (No. 9979352)

Well-- I will defend Mark. As a pastor I have sometimes been scolded simply for truth telling and bold preaching.

I have heard some of Mark´s sermons and never heard anything that would not be considered of the Reformed (Reformation) message-- except perhaps some takes on speaking in tongues.

That being said-- his frank talk on sex to mostly a sexually active generation, while sometimes graphic, did not point away from biblical truth.

If Republicans are known to eat their own-- Christians (or those who pretend to be) are often guilty of jealousy, gossip, greed, and pride.

Mark is a born again believer in our Lord Jesus. Is he perfect? I anyone other than Christ?

Put away the long knives and pray for such that go through trials and tribulation. The apostle Paul was also known for being brash at times, and had many who were of the faith also detractors.

We have a lot stone throwers and few who prayer for reconciliation or for repentance.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: TXknitter, 8/24/2014 8:46:01 PM     (No. 9979373)

For one thing, the NYT is not qualified to judge Driscoll or any church. Second, the "mega church" references betray the spirit behind his "analysis" right off. There are large churches doing much for the Kingdom of God and there are small churches who are every bit as messed up as any "mega church" they join the accuser of the brethren to condemn. I do not know him but I do know that the enemies of the Gospel are especially pernicious in the coastal areas of WA and OR. I don´t know him but I will pray for him.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: TXknitter, 8/24/2014 8:51:30 PM     (No. 9979377)

Sorry, I used the wrong word in #17. Not "pernicious."
Let´s go with malevolent and sneaky.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Texas544, 8/24/2014 9:59:59 PM     (No. 9979430)

In this case the NYT is only reporting what happened. This church stood up and removed a pastor who was behaving very un-Christ like as they should have. This is not a black eye for the church. It is a black eye for those who always think the church needs to move to a more "relevant" message.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 8/24/2014 10:01:14 PM     (No. 9979432)

I do not know anything about Rev Driscoll, but I do know it is the Holy Spirit who builds up a true church, not a man. In these last days many will follow men´s words and not God´s and will "fall away" from the truth. Let´s let God be the judge of this man and this church and judge ourselves instead.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: redink, 8/24/2014 11:10:47 PM     (No. 9979486)

I´d be cautious of defending Driscoll, #16.
Mars Hill has been in trouble for awhile...it is good for the church to clean house. Driscoll has been accused by many credible people of not only plagiarism, but years of spiritual abuse, along with vilifying and firing anyone who disagreed with him. He is a supreme narcissist who never accepts blame and wants absolute worship and control (sound familiar on this site?)
Yeah...malignant narcissists aren´t just found in the democrat party. They are the wolves in sheep´s clothing the Bible speaks of.
Thankfully it looks as if Driscoll´s time is at an end. I am glad to hear this. I love the Church and want her cleansed of these cult personalities.
The Spiritual Sounding Board and The Wartburg Watch are blogs keeping tabs on spiritual abuse in the church...for any who are interested.
http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/

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Reply 22 - Posted by: TXknitter, 8/25/2014 1:58:40 PM     (No. 9980371)

#21 makes good points. The so-called former church members outside rabble rousing with their signs spoke to the reporters as if they were at a political rally. The Seattle area is a dangerous place for a minister unless God has called you there AND you are spiritually prepared. From reading some of Driscoll´s articles, of course there was a problem. There are other "churches" there every bit as goofy but very politically correct so the media lets them alone. I just dislike the NYT feeding frenzy and from the looks of the local Seattle news, too many of his so-called Christian friends or former colleagues happy to join in the gossip. He has stepped down and this is right. May God bring mature ministers of the Gospel into his life to restore him.

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