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Isil: the world must tackle
this mass psychosis

Telegraph [UK], by Janet Daley

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 1:58:24 PM

We are not engaged in a religious war. This is not a confrontation between Islam and the West. To start from that premise is to place Isil (which should not be called by its presumptive title “Islamic State”) on precisely the ground it wishes to occupy. [Snip] The contest is not modern liberal democracy versus the Dark Ages. This is to impose meaning on what is, in truth, meaningless. There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism. Indeed, it may be worse than counterproductive to

As is often the case, there are so many meaty points in Janet Daley´s article, it´s very difficult to choose a snip. Finally, the simple declaration that ISIL (as Ms. Daley insists it be called) "is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism" stands out and should entice the reader into uncovering other choice morsels, ungarnished by unnecessary bits and pieces.

I do so admire Ms. Daley´s skill in peeling off and throwing away the unnecessary bits.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/23/2014 2:42:56 PM     (No. 9977948)

There´s lots of countries that would be willing totake on the scrouge of ISIS and realtaed affilaites. The problem is the leadership on such action would have to come from the UD and that ain´t happening with Obama, Foriegn leaders don´t trust him and further than they can throw a frozen elephant.

NATO countries are put off by the lousy rules of engagement in Afghanistan struck out by Obama since taking office.

Smaller countries downsized their military to save money and figured the US and Europe would deal with renegade radicals as they pop up.The last thing they thought of is Obama being allies with the worst people on the planet.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Policom, 8/23/2014 3:23:13 PM     (No. 9977970)

Sorry but this is a Religious War. They have told the World many times that they want everyone to convert to Islam. Kill the Infidels, isn´t that what they say? We want a Ciliphate and Shiria law. Two of the most oppressive things you can do. They give no freedom to Women and use threir own people as shields and their children as suicide bombers. It´s time to give their leaders what they want.....Death.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/23/2014 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9977974)

UK Telegrapg is behind a paywall once you read 8 articles a month. Can´t get around it...if you can, post a free link thanks

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Reply 4 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 8/23/2014 3:34:09 PM     (No. 9977981)

Don´t expect Europe to stand up and tackle ISIS. They always have their heads in the sand. Russia and China could care less and the rest of the world is sucking their thumbs waiting for the U.S. to make a move. Once we do, we´ll be criticized for meddling, as always.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 3:44:04 PM     (No. 9977989)

This makes more sense than anything I´ve read so far. Once again Daley works through her analysis and gives us something worth pondering.

I´d like to see this be a Must Read. I´m sending it to my personal list as one...

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/23/2014 3:45:24 PM     (No. 9977991)

Re #3, try deleting your cookies and your cache.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 4:02:53 PM     (No. 9978010)

Just woke up and realized this IS a Must Read! I picked it off the LCom page....

Do read it. No room here for driveby thinking.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/23/2014 4:10:22 PM     (No. 9978020)

This is the first time I can recall totally disagreeing with Janet Daley (and with our esteemed OP, who keeps us informed with choice UK articles daily). It´s a huge mistake to attribute the fanaticism of ISIL/ISIS to the amorphous term "psychopathic nihilism"...as if, what, a couple million guys read Nietzsche and decide, "oh heck, since there´s no God, I think I´ll join all those guys that are beheading people"?

No, their psychopathy has a common root source...Islam. In fact, their actions are literally prescribed for them in their not-so-holy book.

Sorry, Janet. Re-title your piece as "ISIL: the world must tackle this death cult masquerading as a religion" and I´m with you again.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 4:34:03 PM     (No. 9978033)

Sorry, forgot about the "8 strikes and yer out thing."

What you might try is this:

go to Google news and search on "Janet Daley" or "the world must tackle this mass psychosis" and the resulting link might get you through.

Could you access through a smart phone? It really is worth it.

As for whether Islam in this case is a religion or not, I´d have to say it´s a bit like the Westboro Baptist Church on steroids and acid.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NotaBene, 8/23/2014 5:11:40 PM     (No. 9978048)

To combat psychopathic Nihilism I suggest blowing up every single bridge over the Euphrates in Syria.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Toledo, 8/23/2014 5:20:54 PM     (No. 9978055)

Try changing browser. Chrome won´t allow telegraph but IE and Opera will

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 8/23/2014 5:38:11 PM     (No. 9978062)

I disagree with Daley on a few points.

First, I agree with #8 et al that this is a war with Islam itself. The Quar´an says what it says, and we must deal with it as such.

Second, we should recognize ISIS as the "Islamic State" - and formally declare war against it. Terms: unconditional surrender. They should be fought like the Nazis of WWII.

In addition, since ISIS has recruited many from "most favored" nations, the US should suspend its Visa Waiver Program until things are safe again. Anyone from anywhere who has traveled to countries harboring Islamic training camps should be thoroughly scrutinized before being admitted into the US. That would even include US passport holders who have traveled to the suspect areas. We need a political quarantine of the ISIS cancer, much like the medical quarantine of the Ebola virus.

And, of course: get serous about sealing our borders and ports of entry - all of them.

Above would only be a few first steps.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JediJerry, 8/23/2014 5:51:59 PM     (No. 9978068)

When will the world tackle the Obama mass psychosis? He is way more dangerous than the Islamic JV Boy Scouts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 8/23/2014 6:09:08 PM     (No. 9978078)

right, they need saving by us, right until they no longer need saving, then we can go to heII

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Reply 15 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/23/2014 6:14:07 PM     (No. 9978083)

The problem is the world usually needs the US to lead the way in tackling such malignancy. However, Obama is obsessed with ´not being Bush´, so he is largely content to see a ISIS sprout, blossom, and spread its seeds to and fro. I don´t think ISIS will be stopped until their behavior somehow discomforts the Ivory Tower elitists.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: synchronicity, 8/23/2014 6:21:43 PM     (No. 9978092)

To the modern world this does look like psychopathic nihilism but this same world view classifies all religions as forms of mass psychosis. Perhaps we would be closer to the mark as to what is transpiring and how to thwart it by viewing it through the eyes of our enemies.

1. In the Koran, Allah´s perfect word, Islam should have been running the world by now.
2. Since Allah didn´t make #1 happen the followers of Islam have to make it happen through jihad - all out war.
3. If #2 fails, Allah is a fraud as are all followers of Islam.

This is an existential battle where one side has nothing to lose but their lives. It is not irrational but it is highly barbaric because compassion toward the enemy (us) isn´t tolerated. It can only end in one of two ways - enough of Islam´s followers die (probably millions) to beat back the latest wave of Islamic aggression or the world gives in to their demands to be their slaves. Islam only recognizes black and white so this long prophesied battle between darkness and light will proceed regardless of our personal wishes.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 8/23/2014 6:23:26 PM     (No. 9978093)

FTA: "This may come as a shock to a White House that seems to have so much faith in the magical power of language, but if military intervention is categorically ruled out, then no amount of smart talk will be any use."

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Reply 18 - Posted by: privateer, 8/23/2014 7:19:39 PM     (No. 9978129)

I suppose she values her head more than the truth, but the very first sentence is a huge, steaming lie. This is exactly a religious war. It will continue until one or the other religion is eliminated, or beaten into submission. Hint: ixlom means "submission".

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/23/2014 8:04:34 PM     (No. 9978169)

Denying that it is a"religious" war is a guarantee that we will lose it. Take a look around the world. It didn´t start with ISIS, nor will it end there.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 4justice, 8/24/2014 12:44:27 AM     (No. 9978379)

No question...this IS a religious war. That is what makes these people so dangerous.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Judy W., 8/24/2014 7:47:01 AM     (No. 9978516)

I think it´s both a religious war and a mass psychosis. There are two similar phenomena in history. One is Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The origin of their psychosis was their Communist ideology, but the killing frenzy they set loose was beyond what any other Communist group or state ever committed. It took on a life of its own as it ignited the murderous rage that tragically can be set off even in people you´d think highly unlikely.

The other one is the Chinese cultural revolution, which I can´t describe in this space. It was so terrible that full discussion of it is still limited in China.

I don´t think America could have done anything about China, but I believe we could have stopped the Khmer Rouge if Nixon hadn´t been in the midst of Watergate with the left determined to let Communism work its will.

Let´s hope somebody can find a way to work around Obama and gear up an effective response this time.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mazeman, 8/24/2014 7:51:23 AM     (No. 9978522)

She was too quick to give the majority of moderate Muslims a pass. If ISIL is to be defeated by being ostracized, embarrassed and discredited, who better to do that than members of your own "faith"?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gone2pot, 8/24/2014 8:32:28 AM     (No. 9978580)

What follows from this is that every withdrawal from confrontation, every backward step – such as Barack Obama’s retreat from his “red line” in Syria – is catastrophic.

Does this chick even know what she´s saying? The red line was about Assad. THEN Obama, McQueeg and Grahamnesty along with Effin Kerry became the source of ISIS´ Soviet weapons, their training and they are responsible for ISIS´ strength. Foley´s family can thank Obama for their son´s beheading because he shares the responsibility for ISIS´ strength. Janet, like most journalists is utterly clueless. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.

François Hollande is (unusually) right to say that, if one year ago we had reacted to the use of chemical weapons in Syria “we wouldn’t have had this terrible choice between a dictator and a terrorist group”. But we are where we are. The consequences of last year’s cowardice must be a lesson learnt.

Damn that Putin for stepping in and fixing that one, making the west´s leaders look like the fools they are. The good news though is that even a communist cheese eatin´ surrender monkey leader can have a Kurtz-like firm-grasp-of-the-obvious.

Janet´s utter cluelessness began with her premise that we´re not at war with Islam. She went downhill from there.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: congar, 8/24/2014 8:46:39 AM     (No. 9978604)

"We are not engaged in a religious war.”

Really? I would bet ISIS members have a decisively different idea along with the rest of the world.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/24/2014 9:01:38 AM     (No. 9978623)

Great article based on an incorrect premise. "not a religious war"? Are you kidding me?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 8/24/2014 10:06:19 AM     (No. 9978722)

I have heard many conservatives say that Islam is a criminal enterprise masking itself with "religion". Now how can this be a religious war if such thinking is true?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harleynyc, 8/24/2014 10:17:13 AM     (No. 9978735)

The world can only be saved if we eradicate Islam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:12 AM     (No. 9978799)

Excellent analysis and a whole new way of looking at the problem. Recommend for holdover to tomorrow as a MUST READ.

There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism.

Under the diversionary kefiyyeh, we´re seeing less their religion than their tyranny, not for the sake of religion as they would like us to believe, but for the sake of the willingness -- even the desire -- to kill other human beings in a mad rush of power lust.

In fact, the gratuitous violence and promiscuous mayhem of its onslaught resembles nothing so much as 19th-century European anarchism, whose objective was simply to create the maximum amount of indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order.

This is what is going on in America: the calmer postmodern version of anarchy, straight from the pages of Alinsky and Ayers, heroes of the far Left.

Here in America, we now have "indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order" : For example, we have economic chaos of almost half our population on entitlement programs, and we have the chaos of tens of millions of people no longer in the work force. We have the chaos of a non-existent foreign policy which itself is causing chaos in Israel, Libya, Iraq and elsewhere.


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Reply 29 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:30 AM     (No. 9978800)


So we can view America as living under the tyrannical chaos of a government that aligns against its own people.

The world has dealt with mass psychosis before – or rather, failed to deal with it. It would be unforgiveable to make the same fatal mistake again...

Historically, such things always happened "over there". We are in danger of it sweeping our own shores now if nothing is done while doing something is still possible.

I fear that under this POTUS, it isn´t possible unless he is deposed or unless clearer heads prevail.

...like Mohamed Ahmed and Yusuf Sarwar, who ordered Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies from Amazon before they departed for their terrorist sojourn in Syria.

Very telling: Islam wasn´t the driving force, as so many of us believe.

Any possibility of eliminating it as a threat will have to treat it as a delusion which must be undermined, not a lucid plan that can be defeated by diplomatic strategy.

Outstanding observation of "mass psychosis". Yet what are the odds that this Administration will treat it as anything other than a diplomatic challenge?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bluefindad, 8/24/2014 11:02:39 AM     (No. 9978811)

Agree with other posters.

The assertion that this is "not a religious war" is yet another delusional deflection. Janet´s claim could be supported if the Koran did not contain verses commanding the faithful to dominate by the sword and kill the infidels. As long as the Koran is not revised (unlikely, as the Prophet is just a little bit dead), there will always be justification in Islam for violence and atrocities.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Butch59, 8/24/2014 11:18:59 AM     (No. 9978831)

Whether this is a religious war or not is a mote point. Personally, I believe that it´s a war by some that simply want to wield power over every one masked by the "religion" of Islam. But, to put it in plain words, the only way that it´s going to be defeated is by all out war by the free nations of the world. And don´t count on Russia or China because that´s the source of weapons and ammunition for ISIL.(call it what you want). So, that really leaves the US as the only nation that has the ability to do and lead such a plan. Just like WWII. And with Obozo as CIC, don´t hold you breath. Remember, he´s one of them.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: JimboUSN, 8/24/2014 12:01:02 PM     (No. 9978883)

“THEY (ISIS) HAVE AN APOCALYPTIC, END OF DAYS STRATEGIC VISION…” Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, 22 Aug 2014. NOT RELIGIOUS? Hmmm.

Will Dempsey be taken to the woodshed by Obama for speaking the TRUTH???

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Mobyclik, 8/24/2014 12:39:04 PM     (No. 9978945)

We can´t even gather up some allies and go destroy those heathens because al-obama alienated our former allies. Not to mention, so many European countries have allowed millions of these savages into their countries, if they WERE to join us, their own cities would be blown up by their own so-called citizens.

Europe is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Besides, we have a muzzie at our own helm.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Aria, 8/24/2014 3:27:48 PM     (No. 9979113)

A lot of religions are more about power than anything we Christians consider religious. Jesus was different in that he taught love and standards to live by i a decent society. Even this has been mis-used by power mongers over various centuries.

One thing I find interesting about Islam is the leaders tell their pawns "you go out and be a martyr and get your 72 virgins while I stay her in the safe-house." For them death is supposed to be a privilege for the pawns, a punishment for the infidels and exempt for the leaders. When are the pawns going to finally say "I´ll blow myself up right after you go get your 72 virgins".
No wonder their society is so backwards, they´re idiots.

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Fox News, by Chad Pergram    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 9/30/2014 8:41:39 PM     Post Reply
President Obama shared an elevator earlier this month with an armed security contractor who has three felony convictions relating to assault and battery, in the latest report of a serious violation of Secret Service security protocols. Multiple sources confirmed to Fox News the incident, which took place in an elevator during Obama´s Sept. 16 visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The incident was first reported by The Washington Post and the Washington Examiner. The latest embarrassment for the Secret Service comes after agency Director Julia Pierson told lawmakers at a Tuesday hearing

Pentagon Official: The President Is Lying
To America — About Us, And About ISIS

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Daily Caller, by Joseph Miller    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 10/1/2014 5:24:44 AM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama has taken a lot of flack since his Sunday night “60 Minutes” interview, in which he blamed the intelligence community for his failure to tackle the threat posed by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. And that is right and proper. Because not only was his excuse of blaming us a lie, but when questioned on his lie, White House press secretary Josh Earnest doubled down with a whole new lie — both of which are easily, publicly proven false. On Sunday, Obama said the intelligence community had underestimated the rise of ISIS, saying in an interview

Jimmy Carter says he would have
defeated Reagan had he been more ´manly´

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: grace52- 10/1/2014 11:36:03 AM     Post Reply
Former President Jimmy Carter claimed Wednesday that he would have been re-elected and beaten Ronald Reagan in 1980 if had been more “manly” in his dealings with Iran. Interviewed by the show "CNBC Meets," Carter repeated his belief that the failed mission to free American hostages held in Tehran killed his chances, but then added that had he gone to war, America would have rewarded him with a second term in 1980.

State Dept. On Obama Intel Briefings:
´He Receives Those Whenever He Can´

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Breitbart National Security, by Wynton Hall    Original Article
Posted By: chicodon- 10/1/2014 7:04:43 AM     Post Reply
The Obama administration found itself scrambling on Tuesday to defend President Barack Obama for his lackluster 42% attendance record on daily intelligence briefings, a finding from a new report issued by the non-partisan Government Accountability Institute (GAI). When asked about the GAI revelation on Fox News, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki appeared flustered and unprepared. "Well, I have no validation of those statistics," said Psaki. "There are a range of ways that you can get your intelligence briefings on the road, in the White House, and I know that he receives those whenever he can."

Dallas´ Ebola case confirmed
by CDC; first diagnosis in U.S.

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Dallas Morning News [TX], by Sherry Jacobson*    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 9/30/2014 4:58:09 PM     Post Reply
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the media at 3:32 p.m. Tuesday that Dallas has the first diagnosed Ebola case in the nation. The federal agency scheduled a media briefing at 5:30 p.m. from its headquarters in Atlanta. Dallas County officials are expected to participate. Dallas County went through a day-long anxiety attack Tuesday, waiting to hear if the first Ebola diagnosis in the nation would happen here. An unnamed patient at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas was placed in isolation while awaiting test results for the dreaded virus. Apparently, the patient had traveled recently to a

CDC: Ebola confirmed in Dallas patient
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WFAA-TV [Dallas, TX] **, by Janet St. James & Josh Davis *    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 10/1/2014 5:35:31 AM     Post Reply
Dallas - A patient in a Dallas hospital was confirmed Tuesday to have the deadly Ebola virus, the Centers for Disease Control said Tuesday. (Snip) September 19: The adult patient boards a flight to the U.S. in Liberia after being screened for Ebola symptoms - September 20: The patient arrives in the United States - September 24: Patient shows first symptoms of Ebola - September 26: Patient seeks initial medical care - September 28: Patient admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas - A Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital spokesman said the patient has been in isolation since he arrived on Sunday,

Tea Party revolt imperils Kansas
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The Hill [DC], by Alexandra Jaffe    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 10/1/2014 12:10:11 PM     Post Reply
Kansas Tea Party supporters are threatening to sit out the state’s pivotal Senate election, potentially dealing another blow to the reelection hopes of Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.). Though schisms within the GOP base rarely have such an outsized impact on a general election contest, the lack of support from the conservative base could be devastating to the vulnerable Roberts’s chances against surging independent Greg Orman. Multiple sources tell The Hill that a group of Tea Party leaders in the state are meeting Wednesday to try to decide whether they should go to bat for the incumbent this fall or sit out of

California becomes first
state to ban plastic bags

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Associated Press, by Fenit Nirappil    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/30/2014 12:51:45 PM     Post Reply
Sacramento, Calif. - Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed legislation imposing the nation's first statewide ban on single-use plastic bags, driven to action by a buildup of litter and damage to aquatic ecosystems. A national coalition of plastic bag manufacturers immediately said it would seek a voter referendum to repeal the law, which is scheduled to take effect in July 2015. Under SB270, plastic bags will be phased out of large grocery stores starting next summer and convenience stores and pharmacies in 2016. The law allows grocers to charge a fee of at least 10 cents for using paper bags. State Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Los Angeles,

A slapdash Secret Service detail isn´t
what´s wrong with the White House -
the real scandal is a President who is so
complacent about protecting Americans

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Daily Mail [UK], by Piers Morgan    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/1/2014 2:29:50 PM     Post Reply
President Obama this week committed professional suicide. Let me explain. There is a theory in politics that once a leader has fired 50 or more people from his or her administration, he or she is finished. The reason being that by creating so many enemies ‘outside the tent’, the tent itself becomes too deluged with poisonous bile to avoid sinking into a quagmire of back-stabbing ignominy. Obama went a lot further than firing 50 people. He managed to single-handedly alienate 200,000 employees in the American intelligence agencies by going on 60 Minutes and ruthlessly chucking them all under a bus

Boehner: Jeb Bush
has ´real shot´ in 2016

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Washington Examiner, by Kelly Cohen    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/1/2014 6:34:24 PM     Post Reply
Count House Speaker John Boehner as a fan of Jeb Bush for president. He also hasn´t spoken to Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz in two years. The driving issue of the 2016 election will be “competence,” and if former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush runs, “he’s got a real shot” at winning, the Ohio Republican told the Cincinnati Enquirer on Tuesday. Boehner applauded Bush’s ability to “talk about Republican issues better than most anybody that we’ve got out there,” approving of his “real record of reform” as Florida’s governor from 1999 to 2007. He also called potential candidates Ohio Gov. John

Alton Nolen´s Mother Apologizes
For Son: ´There Are Two Sides
To Every Story

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kelli Serio    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 9/30/2014 8:42:17 AM     Post Reply
Alton Nolen´s mother and sister posted a video on Facebook where they apologized to the families of victims in Nolen´s alleged attack last Thursday in Moore, Oklahoma. The two women insisted that Nolen was acting outside of his character because he believed in God and was not a violent person. Nolen, whose Facebook page indicates that he recently converted to Islam, is accused of attacking co-workers Colleen Hufford and Traci Johnson after he was reportedly fired for "personnel issues" from a Vaughan Foods factory. He reportedly beheaded Hufford, 54, and stabbed Johnson, 43, multiple times before being shot by reserve police officer

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