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Isil: the world must tackle
this mass psychosis

Telegraph [UK], by Janet Daley

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 1:58:24 PM

We are not engaged in a religious war. This is not a confrontation between Islam and the West. To start from that premise is to place Isil (which should not be called by its presumptive title “Islamic State”) on precisely the ground it wishes to occupy. [Snip] The contest is not modern liberal democracy versus the Dark Ages. This is to impose meaning on what is, in truth, meaningless. There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism. Indeed, it may be worse than counterproductive to

As is often the case, there are so many meaty points in Janet Daley´s article, it´s very difficult to choose a snip. Finally, the simple declaration that ISIL (as Ms. Daley insists it be called) "is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism" stands out and should entice the reader into uncovering other choice morsels, ungarnished by unnecessary bits and pieces.

I do so admire Ms. Daley´s skill in peeling off and throwing away the unnecessary bits.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/23/2014 2:42:56 PM     (No. 9977948)

There´s lots of countries that would be willing totake on the scrouge of ISIS and realtaed affilaites. The problem is the leadership on such action would have to come from the UD and that ain´t happening with Obama, Foriegn leaders don´t trust him and further than they can throw a frozen elephant.

NATO countries are put off by the lousy rules of engagement in Afghanistan struck out by Obama since taking office.

Smaller countries downsized their military to save money and figured the US and Europe would deal with renegade radicals as they pop up.The last thing they thought of is Obama being allies with the worst people on the planet.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Policom, 8/23/2014 3:23:13 PM     (No. 9977970)

Sorry but this is a Religious War. They have told the World many times that they want everyone to convert to Islam. Kill the Infidels, isn´t that what they say? We want a Ciliphate and Shiria law. Two of the most oppressive things you can do. They give no freedom to Women and use threir own people as shields and their children as suicide bombers. It´s time to give their leaders what they want.....Death.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/23/2014 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9977974)

UK Telegrapg is behind a paywall once you read 8 articles a month. Can´t get around it...if you can, post a free link thanks

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Reply 4 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 8/23/2014 3:34:09 PM     (No. 9977981)

Don´t expect Europe to stand up and tackle ISIS. They always have their heads in the sand. Russia and China could care less and the rest of the world is sucking their thumbs waiting for the U.S. to make a move. Once we do, we´ll be criticized for meddling, as always.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 3:44:04 PM     (No. 9977989)

This makes more sense than anything I´ve read so far. Once again Daley works through her analysis and gives us something worth pondering.

I´d like to see this be a Must Read. I´m sending it to my personal list as one...

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/23/2014 3:45:24 PM     (No. 9977991)

Re #3, try deleting your cookies and your cache.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 4:02:53 PM     (No. 9978010)

Just woke up and realized this IS a Must Read! I picked it off the LCom page....

Do read it. No room here for driveby thinking.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/23/2014 4:10:22 PM     (No. 9978020)

This is the first time I can recall totally disagreeing with Janet Daley (and with our esteemed OP, who keeps us informed with choice UK articles daily). It´s a huge mistake to attribute the fanaticism of ISIL/ISIS to the amorphous term "psychopathic nihilism"...as if, what, a couple million guys read Nietzsche and decide, "oh heck, since there´s no God, I think I´ll join all those guys that are beheading people"?

No, their psychopathy has a common root source...Islam. In fact, their actions are literally prescribed for them in their not-so-holy book.

Sorry, Janet. Re-title your piece as "ISIL: the world must tackle this death cult masquerading as a religion" and I´m with you again.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 4:34:03 PM     (No. 9978033)

Sorry, forgot about the "8 strikes and yer out thing."

What you might try is this:

go to Google news and search on "Janet Daley" or "the world must tackle this mass psychosis" and the resulting link might get you through.

Could you access through a smart phone? It really is worth it.

As for whether Islam in this case is a religion or not, I´d have to say it´s a bit like the Westboro Baptist Church on steroids and acid.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NotaBene, 8/23/2014 5:11:40 PM     (No. 9978048)

To combat psychopathic Nihilism I suggest blowing up every single bridge over the Euphrates in Syria.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Toledo, 8/23/2014 5:20:54 PM     (No. 9978055)

Try changing browser. Chrome won´t allow telegraph but IE and Opera will

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 8/23/2014 5:38:11 PM     (No. 9978062)

I disagree with Daley on a few points.

First, I agree with #8 et al that this is a war with Islam itself. The Quar´an says what it says, and we must deal with it as such.

Second, we should recognize ISIS as the "Islamic State" - and formally declare war against it. Terms: unconditional surrender. They should be fought like the Nazis of WWII.

In addition, since ISIS has recruited many from "most favored" nations, the US should suspend its Visa Waiver Program until things are safe again. Anyone from anywhere who has traveled to countries harboring Islamic training camps should be thoroughly scrutinized before being admitted into the US. That would even include US passport holders who have traveled to the suspect areas. We need a political quarantine of the ISIS cancer, much like the medical quarantine of the Ebola virus.

And, of course: get serous about sealing our borders and ports of entry - all of them.

Above would only be a few first steps.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JediJerry, 8/23/2014 5:51:59 PM     (No. 9978068)

When will the world tackle the Obama mass psychosis? He is way more dangerous than the Islamic JV Boy Scouts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 8/23/2014 6:09:08 PM     (No. 9978078)

right, they need saving by us, right until they no longer need saving, then we can go to heII

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Reply 15 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/23/2014 6:14:07 PM     (No. 9978083)

The problem is the world usually needs the US to lead the way in tackling such malignancy. However, Obama is obsessed with ´not being Bush´, so he is largely content to see a ISIS sprout, blossom, and spread its seeds to and fro. I don´t think ISIS will be stopped until their behavior somehow discomforts the Ivory Tower elitists.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: synchronicity, 8/23/2014 6:21:43 PM     (No. 9978092)

To the modern world this does look like psychopathic nihilism but this same world view classifies all religions as forms of mass psychosis. Perhaps we would be closer to the mark as to what is transpiring and how to thwart it by viewing it through the eyes of our enemies.

1. In the Koran, Allah´s perfect word, Islam should have been running the world by now.
2. Since Allah didn´t make #1 happen the followers of Islam have to make it happen through jihad - all out war.
3. If #2 fails, Allah is a fraud as are all followers of Islam.

This is an existential battle where one side has nothing to lose but their lives. It is not irrational but it is highly barbaric because compassion toward the enemy (us) isn´t tolerated. It can only end in one of two ways - enough of Islam´s followers die (probably millions) to beat back the latest wave of Islamic aggression or the world gives in to their demands to be their slaves. Islam only recognizes black and white so this long prophesied battle between darkness and light will proceed regardless of our personal wishes.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 8/23/2014 6:23:26 PM     (No. 9978093)

FTA: "This may come as a shock to a White House that seems to have so much faith in the magical power of language, but if military intervention is categorically ruled out, then no amount of smart talk will be any use."

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Reply 18 - Posted by: privateer, 8/23/2014 7:19:39 PM     (No. 9978129)

I suppose she values her head more than the truth, but the very first sentence is a huge, steaming lie. This is exactly a religious war. It will continue until one or the other religion is eliminated, or beaten into submission. Hint: ixlom means "submission".

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/23/2014 8:04:34 PM     (No. 9978169)

Denying that it is a"religious" war is a guarantee that we will lose it. Take a look around the world. It didn´t start with ISIS, nor will it end there.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 4justice, 8/24/2014 12:44:27 AM     (No. 9978379)

No question...this IS a religious war. That is what makes these people so dangerous.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Judy W., 8/24/2014 7:47:01 AM     (No. 9978516)

I think it´s both a religious war and a mass psychosis. There are two similar phenomena in history. One is Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The origin of their psychosis was their Communist ideology, but the killing frenzy they set loose was beyond what any other Communist group or state ever committed. It took on a life of its own as it ignited the murderous rage that tragically can be set off even in people you´d think highly unlikely.

The other one is the Chinese cultural revolution, which I can´t describe in this space. It was so terrible that full discussion of it is still limited in China.

I don´t think America could have done anything about China, but I believe we could have stopped the Khmer Rouge if Nixon hadn´t been in the midst of Watergate with the left determined to let Communism work its will.

Let´s hope somebody can find a way to work around Obama and gear up an effective response this time.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mazeman, 8/24/2014 7:51:23 AM     (No. 9978522)

She was too quick to give the majority of moderate Muslims a pass. If ISIL is to be defeated by being ostracized, embarrassed and discredited, who better to do that than members of your own "faith"?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gone2pot, 8/24/2014 8:32:28 AM     (No. 9978580)

What follows from this is that every withdrawal from confrontation, every backward step – such as Barack Obama’s retreat from his “red line” in Syria – is catastrophic.

Does this chick even know what she´s saying? The red line was about Assad. THEN Obama, McQueeg and Grahamnesty along with Effin Kerry became the source of ISIS´ Soviet weapons, their training and they are responsible for ISIS´ strength. Foley´s family can thank Obama for their son´s beheading because he shares the responsibility for ISIS´ strength. Janet, like most journalists is utterly clueless. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.

François Hollande is (unusually) right to say that, if one year ago we had reacted to the use of chemical weapons in Syria “we wouldn’t have had this terrible choice between a dictator and a terrorist group”. But we are where we are. The consequences of last year’s cowardice must be a lesson learnt.

Damn that Putin for stepping in and fixing that one, making the west´s leaders look like the fools they are. The good news though is that even a communist cheese eatin´ surrender monkey leader can have a Kurtz-like firm-grasp-of-the-obvious.

Janet´s utter cluelessness began with her premise that we´re not at war with Islam. She went downhill from there.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: congar, 8/24/2014 8:46:39 AM     (No. 9978604)

"We are not engaged in a religious war.”

Really? I would bet ISIS members have a decisively different idea along with the rest of the world.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/24/2014 9:01:38 AM     (No. 9978623)

Great article based on an incorrect premise. "not a religious war"? Are you kidding me?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 8/24/2014 10:06:19 AM     (No. 9978722)

I have heard many conservatives say that Islam is a criminal enterprise masking itself with "religion". Now how can this be a religious war if such thinking is true?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harleynyc, 8/24/2014 10:17:13 AM     (No. 9978735)

The world can only be saved if we eradicate Islam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:12 AM     (No. 9978799)

Excellent analysis and a whole new way of looking at the problem. Recommend for holdover to tomorrow as a MUST READ.

There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism.

Under the diversionary kefiyyeh, we´re seeing less their religion than their tyranny, not for the sake of religion as they would like us to believe, but for the sake of the willingness -- even the desire -- to kill other human beings in a mad rush of power lust.

In fact, the gratuitous violence and promiscuous mayhem of its onslaught resembles nothing so much as 19th-century European anarchism, whose objective was simply to create the maximum amount of indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order.

This is what is going on in America: the calmer postmodern version of anarchy, straight from the pages of Alinsky and Ayers, heroes of the far Left.

Here in America, we now have "indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order" : For example, we have economic chaos of almost half our population on entitlement programs, and we have the chaos of tens of millions of people no longer in the work force. We have the chaos of a non-existent foreign policy which itself is causing chaos in Israel, Libya, Iraq and elsewhere.


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Reply 29 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:30 AM     (No. 9978800)


So we can view America as living under the tyrannical chaos of a government that aligns against its own people.

The world has dealt with mass psychosis before – or rather, failed to deal with it. It would be unforgiveable to make the same fatal mistake again...

Historically, such things always happened "over there". We are in danger of it sweeping our own shores now if nothing is done while doing something is still possible.

I fear that under this POTUS, it isn´t possible unless he is deposed or unless clearer heads prevail.

...like Mohamed Ahmed and Yusuf Sarwar, who ordered Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies from Amazon before they departed for their terrorist sojourn in Syria.

Very telling: Islam wasn´t the driving force, as so many of us believe.

Any possibility of eliminating it as a threat will have to treat it as a delusion which must be undermined, not a lucid plan that can be defeated by diplomatic strategy.

Outstanding observation of "mass psychosis". Yet what are the odds that this Administration will treat it as anything other than a diplomatic challenge?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bluefindad, 8/24/2014 11:02:39 AM     (No. 9978811)

Agree with other posters.

The assertion that this is "not a religious war" is yet another delusional deflection. Janet´s claim could be supported if the Koran did not contain verses commanding the faithful to dominate by the sword and kill the infidels. As long as the Koran is not revised (unlikely, as the Prophet is just a little bit dead), there will always be justification in Islam for violence and atrocities.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Butch59, 8/24/2014 11:18:59 AM     (No. 9978831)

Whether this is a religious war or not is a mote point. Personally, I believe that it´s a war by some that simply want to wield power over every one masked by the "religion" of Islam. But, to put it in plain words, the only way that it´s going to be defeated is by all out war by the free nations of the world. And don´t count on Russia or China because that´s the source of weapons and ammunition for ISIL.(call it what you want). So, that really leaves the US as the only nation that has the ability to do and lead such a plan. Just like WWII. And with Obozo as CIC, don´t hold you breath. Remember, he´s one of them.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: JimboUSN, 8/24/2014 12:01:02 PM     (No. 9978883)

“THEY (ISIS) HAVE AN APOCALYPTIC, END OF DAYS STRATEGIC VISION…” Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, 22 Aug 2014. NOT RELIGIOUS? Hmmm.

Will Dempsey be taken to the woodshed by Obama for speaking the TRUTH???

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Mobyclik, 8/24/2014 12:39:04 PM     (No. 9978945)

We can´t even gather up some allies and go destroy those heathens because al-obama alienated our former allies. Not to mention, so many European countries have allowed millions of these savages into their countries, if they WERE to join us, their own cities would be blown up by their own so-called citizens.

Europe is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Besides, we have a muzzie at our own helm.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Aria, 8/24/2014 3:27:48 PM     (No. 9979113)

A lot of religions are more about power than anything we Christians consider religious. Jesus was different in that he taught love and standards to live by i a decent society. Even this has been mis-used by power mongers over various centuries.

One thing I find interesting about Islam is the leaders tell their pawns "you go out and be a martyr and get your 72 virgins while I stay her in the safe-house." For them death is supposed to be a privilege for the pawns, a punishment for the infidels and exempt for the leaders. When are the pawns going to finally say "I´ll blow myself up right after you go get your 72 virgins".
No wonder their society is so backwards, they´re idiots.

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In her just-released memoir, 27 year-old "Girls" star Lena Dunham claims that as a 19 year-old Oberlin College student in Ohio, she was raped by a college Republican. In the first chapter that addresses the encounter, Dunham describes the "ill-fated evening of lovemaking" as awkward and hollow. The most sensational moment comes from the fact that "Barry" wasn´t wearing a condom. In the next chapter, Dunham backtracks with the claim that she´s an "unreliable narrator" and accuses "Barry" of rape: [I]n another essay in this book I describe a sexual encounter with a mustachioed campus Republican as the upsetting but

EXCLUSIVE: Ousted Secret Service chief
was ´sandbagged´ by ´p***ed off agents
who had had enough´ of her and thought*

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/2/2014 9:11:57 PM     Post Reply
A recently retired Secret Service agent told MailOnline on Thursday that former director Julia Pierson´s resignation will be welcomed by the agency´s rank-and-file because ´people in the service thought she was a joke from Day One.´ He attributed her swift fall from grace to a cadre of ´p***ed off agents who had had enough´ of feeling disrespected by the service´s first female director. ´Putting her in charge was part of the [Obama] administration´s push to feminize the service after the "hookergate" nightmare,´ the agent said, referring to agents who were fired after patronizing prostitutes during a security-check trip to Colombia

The Case for Panic
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Washington Free Beacon, by Matthew Continetti    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 10/3/2014 5:27:33 AM     Post Reply
Deadly, irrational, and determined, the intruder snuck across a weakened perimeter. Eluding capture, the intruder was detained only after missteps and close calls. The spin began soon after the threat was isolated. Information was selectively leaked. Half-truths and untruths were uttered. Responsibility was avoided; privileges and credentials asserted; authority reasserted. Trust us. Remain calm. Don’t panic. This is the template of recent events. A mental case jumps the White House fence. He makes it to the East Room before he’s tackled by an off-duty Secret Service agent. Initial statements turn out to be misleading or false. We discover that lapses in

28 words that Democrats
really wish President Obama
didn’t say today

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Washington Post, by Chris Cillizza    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 10/2/2014 10:48:52 PM     Post Reply
President Obama was at Northwestern University on Thursday to deliver an economic speech that, he and his team hoped, would lay out the case for why the public is better off today than they were six years ago -- even if they didn´t feel it in their everday lives. Instead, Obama just gave every Republican ad-maker in the country more fodder for negative ads linking Democratic candidates to him. Here are the four sentences that will draw all of the attention (they come more than two thirds of the way through the speech): "I am not on the ballot this

The View looking to add cool-down room
for the ladies after Whoopi Goldberg and
Rosie O´Donnell come to blows in front
of studio audience

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Daily Mail [UK], by Chris Spargo    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/2/2014 10:52:17 AM     Post Reply
A recent fight between Rosie O´Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg has producers at The View looking to add a cool-down room for the ladies. After being cut off by Goldberg during an episode last week so the show could go to commercial, O´Donnell began to express how upset she was and, after being told repeatedly by Goldberg it was not the right time to have that discussion, eventually got cursed out by the Oscar winner. Goldberg told O´Donnell, ´F*** it, I told you to leave it alone and you just don´t want to listen. If you want to go there Rosie,

Mitt Romney and 2016:
Could It Be True?

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ABC News, by Alana Abramson    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 10/2/2014 1:46:59 PM     Post Reply
A presidential defeat isn’t an easy thing to bounce back from. And Mitt Romney did it twice. So it was understandable that after he lost the presidential race in 2012, he was adamant about closing the door to the possibility of a third campaign. But recently, speculation is whirling that Romney may not be so adamant anymore. When asked if he was running in a New York Times interview published earlier this week, Romney said : “I have nothing to add to the story. We’ve got a lot of people looking at the race,” he said. “We’ll see what happens.” That response, which

Meghan McCain on Secret
Service: ´I hated all of them´

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Kurtz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 10/3/2014 12:30:44 AM     Post Reply
Meghan McCain joined the dog pile on the Secret Service this week, saying she’s had “nothing but horrible experiences" with the agency and likening the agents to “glorified mall cops.” The 29-year-old author and television personality, who is also the daughter of former GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), opened up on Pivot’s “TakePart Live” about some of her interactions with the Secret Service. "I have nothing but horrible experiences with the Secret Service,” McCain said. “One of my friends called them glorified mall cops and I don´t think that´s terribly far off. I found them cliquey. I hated

Some Blacks See Secret Service
as Flawed Shield for the President

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New York Times, by Peter Baker    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/3/2014 12:16:43 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland was at the grocery store the other day when he ran into an elderly black woman who expressed growing concern about President Obama’s safety. Why, she asked, wasn’t he being better protected by his Secret Service agents? The furor that led to this week’s resignation of the director of the Secret Service resonated deeply among blacks, outraged that those supposed to be guarding the first black president were somehow falling down on the job — and suspicious even without evidence that it may be deliberate. “It is something that is widespread in

White House says it has
Ebola virus under control

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Sarah Ferris    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/3/2014 6:55:38 PM     Post Reply
Top White House officials on Friday worked to reassure the American public that the national response to Ebola is under control. Leaders of the country’s health, defense and military branches stressed that they are taking the right steps to contain the spread of the deadly virus, which was first diagnosed in the U.S. on Tuesday. Top White House officials on Friday worked to reassure the American public that the national response to Ebola is under control. Leaders of the country’s health, defense and military branches stressed that they are taking the right steps to contain the spread of the deadly virus, which

California’s next big political fight:
Plastic grocery bags

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Washington Post, by Reid Wilson    Original Article
Posted By: garnet- 10/3/2014 9:19:26 AM     Post Reply
Go to a grocery store in California and buy all the milk, eggs and vegetables you want. But there’s one thing you won’t find at the checkout line, beginning July 1, 2015: Plastic bags to carry your stuff home. Gov. Jerry Brown (D) on Tuesday signed into law a ban on single-use plastic bags, making California the first state to prohibit stores from using the ubiquitous carry-alls. Shoppers will be charged 10 cents for every paper bag and heavy-duty plastic bag they use. “This bill is a step in the right direction,” Brown said in a press release announcing his approval. “It

Lindsey Graham Mulling White House Run
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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 10/3/2014 1:37:53 PM     Post Reply
The hawkish Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina says he is thinking about running for president in 2016. In an interview with Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard, the senator, running for re-election to the Senate this year, said: “If I get through my general election, if nobody steps up in the presidential mix, if nobody’s out there talking — me and McCain have been talking — I may just jump in to get to make these arguments,” Graham said. Graham, 59, also dismissed Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, 43, as a presidential candidate, saying he is too young. “He’s a good

Hillary Gets Tocqueville
Wrong By 100 Years

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 10/2/2014 11:31:10 AM     Post Reply
Speaking at a Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors event last night, Hillary Clinton decided to talk about Alexis de Tocqueville. The problem? She got it wrong -- by about a hundred years. "There´s a wonderful phrase that was first used by Alexis de Tocqueville, who came to the United States in the very early 1930s and traveled around our country," said Hillary Clinton, a probable 2016 presidential candidate. "And he was so amazed at how Americans organized themselves -- you know, coming from aristocratic Europe, which was totally top-down and hierarchical -- he couldn´t believe how many of us were joiners.

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