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Isil: the world must tackle
this mass psychosis

Telegraph [UK], by Janet Daley

Original Article

Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 1:58:24 PM

We are not engaged in a religious war. This is not a confrontation between Islam and the West. To start from that premise is to place Isil (which should not be called by its presumptive title “Islamic State”) on precisely the ground it wishes to occupy. [Snip] The contest is not modern liberal democracy versus the Dark Ages. This is to impose meaning on what is, in truth, meaningless. There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism. Indeed, it may be worse than counterproductive to

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As is often the case, there are so many meaty points in Janet Daley´s article, it´s very difficult to choose a snip. Finally, the simple declaration that ISIL (as Ms. Daley insists it be called) "is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism" stands out and should entice the reader into uncovering other choice morsels, ungarnished by unnecessary bits and pieces.

I do so admire Ms. Daley´s skill in peeling off and throwing away the unnecessary bits.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/23/2014 2:42:56 PM     (No. 9977948)

There´s lots of countries that would be willing totake on the scrouge of ISIS and realtaed affilaites. The problem is the leadership on such action would have to come from the UD and that ain´t happening with Obama, Foriegn leaders don´t trust him and further than they can throw a frozen elephant.

NATO countries are put off by the lousy rules of engagement in Afghanistan struck out by Obama since taking office.

Smaller countries downsized their military to save money and figured the US and Europe would deal with renegade radicals as they pop up.The last thing they thought of is Obama being allies with the worst people on the planet.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Policom, 8/23/2014 3:23:13 PM     (No. 9977970)

Sorry but this is a Religious War. They have told the World many times that they want everyone to convert to Islam. Kill the Infidels, isn´t that what they say? We want a Ciliphate and Shiria law. Two of the most oppressive things you can do. They give no freedom to Women and use threir own people as shields and their children as suicide bombers. It´s time to give their leaders what they want.....Death.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/23/2014 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9977974)

UK Telegrapg is behind a paywall once you read 8 articles a month. Can´t get around it...if you can, post a free link thanks


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Reply 4 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 8/23/2014 3:34:09 PM     (No. 9977981)

Don´t expect Europe to stand up and tackle ISIS. They always have their heads in the sand. Russia and China could care less and the rest of the world is sucking their thumbs waiting for the U.S. to make a move. Once we do, we´ll be criticized for meddling, as always.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 3:44:04 PM     (No. 9977989)

This makes more sense than anything I´ve read so far. Once again Daley works through her analysis and gives us something worth pondering.

I´d like to see this be a Must Read. I´m sending it to my personal list as one...

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/23/2014 3:45:24 PM     (No. 9977991)

Re #3, try deleting your cookies and your cache.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 4:02:53 PM     (No. 9978010)

Just woke up and realized this IS a Must Read! I picked it off the LCom page....

Do read it. No room here for driveby thinking.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/23/2014 4:10:22 PM     (No. 9978020)

This is the first time I can recall totally disagreeing with Janet Daley (and with our esteemed OP, who keeps us informed with choice UK articles daily). It´s a huge mistake to attribute the fanaticism of ISIL/ISIS to the amorphous term "psychopathic nihilism"...as if, what, a couple million guys read Nietzsche and decide, "oh heck, since there´s no God, I think I´ll join all those guys that are beheading people"?

No, their psychopathy has a common root source...Islam. In fact, their actions are literally prescribed for them in their not-so-holy book.

Sorry, Janet. Re-title your piece as "ISIL: the world must tackle this death cult masquerading as a religion" and I´m with you again.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 4:34:03 PM     (No. 9978033)

Sorry, forgot about the "8 strikes and yer out thing."

What you might try is this:

go to Google news and search on "Janet Daley" or "the world must tackle this mass psychosis" and the resulting link might get you through.

Could you access through a smart phone? It really is worth it.

As for whether Islam in this case is a religion or not, I´d have to say it´s a bit like the Westboro Baptist Church on steroids and acid.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NotaBene, 8/23/2014 5:11:40 PM     (No. 9978048)

To combat psychopathic Nihilism I suggest blowing up every single bridge over the Euphrates in Syria.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Toledo, 8/23/2014 5:20:54 PM     (No. 9978055)

Try changing browser. Chrome won´t allow telegraph but IE and Opera will

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 8/23/2014 5:38:11 PM     (No. 9978062)

I disagree with Daley on a few points.

First, I agree with #8 et al that this is a war with Islam itself. The Quar´an says what it says, and we must deal with it as such.

Second, we should recognize ISIS as the "Islamic State" - and formally declare war against it. Terms: unconditional surrender. They should be fought like the Nazis of WWII.

In addition, since ISIS has recruited many from "most favored" nations, the US should suspend its Visa Waiver Program until things are safe again. Anyone from anywhere who has traveled to countries harboring Islamic training camps should be thoroughly scrutinized before being admitted into the US. That would even include US passport holders who have traveled to the suspect areas. We need a political quarantine of the ISIS cancer, much like the medical quarantine of the Ebola virus.

And, of course: get serous about sealing our borders and ports of entry - all of them.

Above would only be a few first steps.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JediJerry, 8/23/2014 5:51:59 PM     (No. 9978068)

When will the world tackle the Obama mass psychosis? He is way more dangerous than the Islamic JV Boy Scouts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 8/23/2014 6:09:08 PM     (No. 9978078)

right, they need saving by us, right until they no longer need saving, then we can go to heII

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Reply 15 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/23/2014 6:14:07 PM     (No. 9978083)

The problem is the world usually needs the US to lead the way in tackling such malignancy. However, Obama is obsessed with ´not being Bush´, so he is largely content to see a ISIS sprout, blossom, and spread its seeds to and fro. I don´t think ISIS will be stopped until their behavior somehow discomforts the Ivory Tower elitists.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: synchronicity, 8/23/2014 6:21:43 PM     (No. 9978092)

To the modern world this does look like psychopathic nihilism but this same world view classifies all religions as forms of mass psychosis. Perhaps we would be closer to the mark as to what is transpiring and how to thwart it by viewing it through the eyes of our enemies.

1. In the Koran, Allah´s perfect word, Islam should have been running the world by now.
2. Since Allah didn´t make #1 happen the followers of Islam have to make it happen through jihad - all out war.
3. If #2 fails, Allah is a fraud as are all followers of Islam.

This is an existential battle where one side has nothing to lose but their lives. It is not irrational but it is highly barbaric because compassion toward the enemy (us) isn´t tolerated. It can only end in one of two ways - enough of Islam´s followers die (probably millions) to beat back the latest wave of Islamic aggression or the world gives in to their demands to be their slaves. Islam only recognizes black and white so this long prophesied battle between darkness and light will proceed regardless of our personal wishes.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 8/23/2014 6:23:26 PM     (No. 9978093)

FTA: "This may come as a shock to a White House that seems to have so much faith in the magical power of language, but if military intervention is categorically ruled out, then no amount of smart talk will be any use."

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Reply 18 - Posted by: privateer, 8/23/2014 7:19:39 PM     (No. 9978129)

I suppose she values her head more than the truth, but the very first sentence is a huge, steaming lie. This is exactly a religious war. It will continue until one or the other religion is eliminated, or beaten into submission. Hint: ixlom means "submission".

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/23/2014 8:04:34 PM     (No. 9978169)

Denying that it is a"religious" war is a guarantee that we will lose it. Take a look around the world. It didn´t start with ISIS, nor will it end there.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 4justice, 8/24/2014 12:44:27 AM     (No. 9978379)

No question...this IS a religious war. That is what makes these people so dangerous.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Judy W., 8/24/2014 7:47:01 AM     (No. 9978516)

I think it´s both a religious war and a mass psychosis. There are two similar phenomena in history. One is Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The origin of their psychosis was their Communist ideology, but the killing frenzy they set loose was beyond what any other Communist group or state ever committed. It took on a life of its own as it ignited the murderous rage that tragically can be set off even in people you´d think highly unlikely.

The other one is the Chinese cultural revolution, which I can´t describe in this space. It was so terrible that full discussion of it is still limited in China.

I don´t think America could have done anything about China, but I believe we could have stopped the Khmer Rouge if Nixon hadn´t been in the midst of Watergate with the left determined to let Communism work its will.

Let´s hope somebody can find a way to work around Obama and gear up an effective response this time.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mazeman, 8/24/2014 7:51:23 AM     (No. 9978522)

She was too quick to give the majority of moderate Muslims a pass. If ISIL is to be defeated by being ostracized, embarrassed and discredited, who better to do that than members of your own "faith"?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gone2pot, 8/24/2014 8:32:28 AM     (No. 9978580)

What follows from this is that every withdrawal from confrontation, every backward step – such as Barack Obama’s retreat from his “red line” in Syria – is catastrophic.

Does this chick even know what she´s saying? The red line was about Assad. THEN Obama, McQueeg and Grahamnesty along with Effin Kerry became the source of ISIS´ Soviet weapons, their training and they are responsible for ISIS´ strength. Foley´s family can thank Obama for their son´s beheading because he shares the responsibility for ISIS´ strength. Janet, like most journalists is utterly clueless. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.

François Hollande is (unusually) right to say that, if one year ago we had reacted to the use of chemical weapons in Syria “we wouldn’t have had this terrible choice between a dictator and a terrorist group”. But we are where we are. The consequences of last year’s cowardice must be a lesson learnt.

Damn that Putin for stepping in and fixing that one, making the west´s leaders look like the fools they are. The good news though is that even a communist cheese eatin´ surrender monkey leader can have a Kurtz-like firm-grasp-of-the-obvious.

Janet´s utter cluelessness began with her premise that we´re not at war with Islam. She went downhill from there.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: congar, 8/24/2014 8:46:39 AM     (No. 9978604)

"We are not engaged in a religious war.”

Really? I would bet ISIS members have a decisively different idea along with the rest of the world.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/24/2014 9:01:38 AM     (No. 9978623)

Great article based on an incorrect premise. "not a religious war"? Are you kidding me?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 8/24/2014 10:06:19 AM     (No. 9978722)

I have heard many conservatives say that Islam is a criminal enterprise masking itself with "religion". Now how can this be a religious war if such thinking is true?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harleynyc, 8/24/2014 10:17:13 AM     (No. 9978735)

The world can only be saved if we eradicate Islam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:12 AM     (No. 9978799)

Excellent analysis and a whole new way of looking at the problem. Recommend for holdover to tomorrow as a MUST READ.

There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism.

Under the diversionary kefiyyeh, we´re seeing less their religion than their tyranny, not for the sake of religion as they would like us to believe, but for the sake of the willingness -- even the desire -- to kill other human beings in a mad rush of power lust.

In fact, the gratuitous violence and promiscuous mayhem of its onslaught resembles nothing so much as 19th-century European anarchism, whose objective was simply to create the maximum amount of indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order.

This is what is going on in America: the calmer postmodern version of anarchy, straight from the pages of Alinsky and Ayers, heroes of the far Left.

Here in America, we now have "indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order" : For example, we have economic chaos of almost half our population on entitlement programs, and we have the chaos of tens of millions of people no longer in the work force. We have the chaos of a non-existent foreign policy which itself is causing chaos in Israel, Libya, Iraq and elsewhere.

continued...

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Reply 29 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:30 AM     (No. 9978800)

...continued



So we can view America as living under the tyrannical chaos of a government that aligns against its own people.

The world has dealt with mass psychosis before – or rather, failed to deal with it. It would be unforgiveable to make the same fatal mistake again...

Historically, such things always happened "over there". We are in danger of it sweeping our own shores now if nothing is done while doing something is still possible.

I fear that under this POTUS, it isn´t possible unless he is deposed or unless clearer heads prevail.

...like Mohamed Ahmed and Yusuf Sarwar, who ordered Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies from Amazon before they departed for their terrorist sojourn in Syria.

Very telling: Islam wasn´t the driving force, as so many of us believe.

Any possibility of eliminating it as a threat will have to treat it as a delusion which must be undermined, not a lucid plan that can be defeated by diplomatic strategy.

Outstanding observation of "mass psychosis". Yet what are the odds that this Administration will treat it as anything other than a diplomatic challenge?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bluefindad, 8/24/2014 11:02:39 AM     (No. 9978811)

Agree with other posters.

The assertion that this is "not a religious war" is yet another delusional deflection. Janet´s claim could be supported if the Koran did not contain verses commanding the faithful to dominate by the sword and kill the infidels. As long as the Koran is not revised (unlikely, as the Prophet is just a little bit dead), there will always be justification in Islam for violence and atrocities.



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Reply 31 - Posted by: Butch59, 8/24/2014 11:18:59 AM     (No. 9978831)

Whether this is a religious war or not is a mote point. Personally, I believe that it´s a war by some that simply want to wield power over every one masked by the "religion" of Islam. But, to put it in plain words, the only way that it´s going to be defeated is by all out war by the free nations of the world. And don´t count on Russia or China because that´s the source of weapons and ammunition for ISIL.(call it what you want). So, that really leaves the US as the only nation that has the ability to do and lead such a plan. Just like WWII. And with Obozo as CIC, don´t hold you breath. Remember, he´s one of them.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: JimboUSN, 8/24/2014 12:01:02 PM     (No. 9978883)

“THEY (ISIS) HAVE AN APOCALYPTIC, END OF DAYS STRATEGIC VISION…” Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, 22 Aug 2014. NOT RELIGIOUS? Hmmm.

Will Dempsey be taken to the woodshed by Obama for speaking the TRUTH???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kZ06m7zAM


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Reply 33 - Posted by: Mobyclik, 8/24/2014 12:39:04 PM     (No. 9978945)

We can´t even gather up some allies and go destroy those heathens because al-obama alienated our former allies. Not to mention, so many European countries have allowed millions of these savages into their countries, if they WERE to join us, their own cities would be blown up by their own so-called citizens.

Europe is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Besides, we have a muzzie at our own helm.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Aria, 8/24/2014 3:27:48 PM     (No. 9979113)

A lot of religions are more about power than anything we Christians consider religious. Jesus was different in that he taught love and standards to live by i a decent society. Even this has been mis-used by power mongers over various centuries.

One thing I find interesting about Islam is the leaders tell their pawns "you go out and be a martyr and get your 72 virgins while I stay her in the safe-house." For them death is supposed to be a privilege for the pawns, a punishment for the infidels and exempt for the leaders. When are the pawns going to finally say "I´ll blow myself up right after you go get your 72 virgins".
No wonder their society is so backwards, they´re idiots.


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Daily Signal, by Sharyl Attkisson    Original Article
Posted By: Flyright- 9/15/2014 8:04:50 AM     Post Reply
As the House Select Committee on Benghazi prepares for its first hearing this week, a former State Department diplomat is coming forward with a startling allegation: Hillary Clinton confidants were part of an operation to “separate” damaging documents before they were turned over to the Accountability Review Board investigating security lapses surrounding the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.New Benghazi allegation puts spotlight on Hillary Clinton confidants, alleged after-hours document review.According to former Deputy Assistant Secretary Raymond Maxwell, the after-hours session took place over a weekend in a basement operations-type center at State Department

John Kerry Says 40 Countries Have
Joined Obama’s Coalition Against
ISIS – But Nobody Knows Who They Are

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Gateway Pundit, by Jim Hoft    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/15/2014 5:32:01 AM     Post Reply
Former President George W. Bush put together a 48 member coalition for the Iraq War in 2003. 40 of those members supported military operations and 37 provided some number troops. In April 2003, the list was updated to include 49 countries, though it was reduced to 48 after Costa Rica objected to its inclusion. Of the 48 states on the list, three contributed troops to the invasion force (the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland). An additional 37 countries provided some number of troops to support military operations after the invasion was complete. Despite these numbers the liberal media continues to push the lie

Sen. Gillibrand: If NFL Doesn´t
Police Itself, Congress Will Be
Looking More Into It

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Cybercast News Service, by Melanie Hunter    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 9/15/2014 12:22:29 PM     Post Reply
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) signaled on Sunday that Congress may hold hearings on the NFL’s handling of domestic abuse in light of the Ray Rice case, if the league does not “police” itself. “If the NFL doesn´t police themselves, then we will be looking more into it. We will -- I wouldn´t be surprised if we have hearings,” she said in an interview with CBS’s “Face the Nation.” Baltimore Ravens star Ray Rice was fired from the team and suspended indefinitely by the league after a video surfaced showing Rice punching his then-fiancee Janay Palmer in the face in an

2 Arizona counties tally
more ballots than voters

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Arizona Republic [Phoenix,AZ], by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 9/13/2014 7:52:33 PM     Post Reply
Voter turnout during last month´s primary races was a little too good in some counties, Arizona elections officials said Friday. Some precincts in northern Arizona tallied more ballots cast than there are registered voters, the Arizona Capitol Times reported. According to officials, errors made by poll workers and elections officials in Apache and Navajo counties led to the miscalculations. Initial reports from some precincts showed a turnout of anywhere from 200 to 400 percent. In Apache County, the Puerco West precinct reportedly had 100 votes cast, but only 23 voters are registered there. The voter turnout added up to 434

Bombshell Emails: White House Coordinated
With Department of Labor To Hide Illegal
Obama Fundraiser Hilda Solis’ Schedule

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/15/2014 5:24:06 AM     Post Reply
The Department of Labor coordinated with the White House on whether or not to release hidden portions of former Labor Secretary Hilda Solis’ schedule as Solis battled an FBI investigation into her illegal fundraising for President Obama. New emails provided to The Daily Caller from the nonprofit legal research firm Cause of Action show the White House thanking the Department of Labor for “flagging” a public information request for “withheld” portions of Solis’ schedule. The White House then asked for the name of the conservative group making the request — information that Labor officials were eager to give up. As TheDC previously

Is there a mutiny brewing around Obama?
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Washington Post, by Ed Rogers    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/15/2014 4:55:56 AM     Post Reply
Is a mutiny happening around President Obama? It appears possible that the president may not have made two of his most recent decisions with complete free will. The announcement that he would delay his immigration initiative until after the election and his formal announcement that the United States would take military action against the Islamic State could have been coerced. Maybe Democratic leaders in Congress and a few members of the Obama team have had it. Could it be that, after President Obama briefed Democrats in Congress on the immigration plan, they balked? Maybe the president was told that, if he

Pelosi’s panic fire: GOP Senate
would end ‘civilization as we know it’

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Washington Times, by Kellan Howell    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 9/13/2014 10:26:16 PM     Post Reply
House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi told “Real Time” host Bill Maher that Democrats are not “fear-mongers” but in the same breath said civilization is doomed if Republicans manage to take control of the Senate in November. “It would be very important for the Democrats to retain control of the Senate,” the California Democrat told Mr. Maher on his show Friday night, which aired live from Washington. “Civilization as we know it today would be in jeopardy if Republicans win the Senate.” Mr. Maher pointed out that voter turnout will most likely lean to the right saying, “Nobody comes out

Black Panthers Threaten to Lynch Black
Conservative for Supporting Officer Darren Wilson

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Gateway Pundit, by Jim Hoft    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 9/14/2014 9:24:32 PM     Post Reply
Conservative Martin Baker attended a rally in support Officer Darren Wilson in St. Louis. As news of this rally in support of Wilson spread across social media it wasn’t long before Baker’s attendance was noticed by those super tolerant liberals. Now a local New Black Panther adviser is threatening violence against Martin Baker. The Bell News reported: Mauricelm-Lei Millere is a Black Panther and New Black Panther Adviser who is assisting to organize the protests in Ferguson, Missouri. He has also recently encouraged people to commit violence on Martin Baker in a recent Facebook posting.

Retired General John Allen Selected
for ISIS Campaign – And New Levels
of Dot Connections Follow…..

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Conservative Treehouse, by sundance    Original Article
Posted By: ROLANDDD- 9/13/2014 4:57:24 PM     Post Reply
The question posed to the Tree House was: Why are they selecting a retired General John Allen, instead of a current officer? Deep breath: This White House uses personal leverage to their advantage like no other before it. Example #1: Where’s Bowe Bergdahl? Example #2: What ever happened to Ahmed Abu Khattala the ‘recently’ captured head of the Benghazi attack ? See… you had to think about it. This White House swamps us so much we forget to follow-up….. There is a risk to the political optics of fighting ISIS. Consequently, this administration needs a competent general Denis McDonough can control, rely on,

Barack Obama´s plan to fight
Isil is hard to believe

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Telegraph [UK], by Peter Foster    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/13/2014 2:32:53 PM     Post Reply
Washington - Were it any other US president in recent memory, delivering a rousing White House address promising to "vanquish" the bloodthirsty militants of the Islamic State from the face of the earth would be dismissed as the "easy part". Recall Joe Biden, the vice president with half an eye on a run for the top job in 2016, promising to follow Isil "to the gates of hell" after the beheading of a second US journalist, and you get the picture of just how easy it can be. But as Mr Obama admitted last week with a faint whiff of

White House Reacts to Death of
British Journalist David Haines

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Breitbart News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/13/2014 9:47:03 PM     Post Reply
The White House published a statement reacting to the decapitation of British Journalist David Haines at the hands of ISIS Saturday night: "The United States strongly condemns the barbaric murder of UK citizen David Haines by the terrorist group ISIL. Our hearts go out to the family of Mr. Haines and to the people of the United Kingdom. The United States stands shoulder to shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in grief and resolve. We will work with the United Kingdom and a broad coalition of nations from the region and around the world to bring the perpetrators


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