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Obama’s Treachery and Republican Silence
National Review Online, by David Horowitz

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Posted By:steveW, 8/10/2014 3:50:01 AM

Barack Obama deliberately set out to lose the war in Iraq, and he did. He defied the advice of his joint chiefs of staff to secure America’s formidable military presence and keep 20,000 troops in country, and left Iraq to its own devices and the tender mercies of Iran. In doing so, he betrayed every American and Iraqi who gave his life to create a free Iraq and keep it out of the clutches of the terrorists. Iraq is now a war zone dominated by the terrorist forces of the Islamic State, whose rise Obama’s policies fostered. Both his secretaries

Which is the greater outrage - a treacherous president, or an opposition party that refuses to expose the treachery?


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/10/2014 4:10:12 AM     (No. 9960019)

Every conservative commentator said if we pulled completely out,then it was a matter of time when it would explode again.Obama´s solution to everything is let it drag out util it fixes itself.He´s either been bought off by Islamic extremists or he´s on their side to begin with.

It really has to be eating the left´s shorts that diplomacy has been a complete failure the past 6 years. Obama´s not even getting former allies to go along with his foolish approach.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/10/2014 4:15:08 AM     (No. 9960021)

Horowitz wants a move to impeachment and has been plumping for it for a long time. Impeachment of Barack Obama, even if successful through conviction, accomplishes nothing to restrain a future president from using Obama´s moves as a precedent.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Th-Gr-Sil-Majority, 8/10/2014 4:19:05 AM     (No. 9960023)

...good compilation of some of Barry´s greatest "hits"...

...when he gets back from his summer vacation, one wonders what will be his newest gifts to the American people...

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Linda in Seattle, 8/10/2014 5:59:19 AM     (No. 9960039)

With the number of MBH allies Obama has brought into the White House, no one should be surprised at what´s going on in the Middle East. The established media has played a pivotal role in keeping the truth from the American people and should be held just as accountable as Obama and his minions.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/10/2014 6:40:36 AM     (No. 9960061)

Not to mention how much MBH Huma collaborating with the Butcher of Benghazi helped the murdering, psychopath jihadists out.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: grace1798, 8/10/2014 7:45:14 AM     (No. 9960127)

I said it......Obama strengthened these Monsters and will continue to strengthen them. ALL this blood spilled in the NAME of the losers....takers, greedy in America voting for these madmen so they can continue to get their SLAVERY CHECKS from the U.S. Gov. SHAME ON THEM! I am telling you right now......they have Innocent Blood on their hands!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/10/2014 7:51:03 AM     (No. 9960133)

#2, I´m usually a fan of your posts, but your last sentence is completely puzzling and I couldn´t disagree more. I would argue that FAILURE to impeach a completely out of control President is the surest way to guarantee future similarly dictatorial Presidents.

The ONLY logical argument against impeachment now is the question of timing. I will concede that our chances of taking control of the Senate are better if we defer any move to impeach until after the election. But it´s inconceivable to me that this country can survive, literally, another two years on an increasingly emboldened Obama.

Obama is a textbook example of precisely why our founders prescribed impeachment in such cases.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/10/2014 7:58:20 AM     (No. 9960148)

My contention is that an impeachment does not impose a legal restraint on successors. It´s only a moral and, perhaps, a political one. I am very much opposed to an impeachment movement at this time and under our current circumstances. It´s possible the lawsuits might be successful and, if so, those really will prevent specific acts of unconstitutional lawlessness.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: saryden, 8/10/2014 8:10:48 AM     (No. 9960165)

How can you impeach an illegal president?? Anyway, it would only furnish distraction from the many examples of Treachery that Horowitz has skillfully outlined ... and it would cast Ozero as a ´victim´ of the GOP. The main thing, though, is that the Democrat-majority Senate would no more impeach him than they would Clintoon. We need the GOP and Conservative Media to focus on exposing the Treachery... right through this election.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: uno, 8/10/2014 8:14:08 AM     (No. 9960167)

"When will they stop pretending this is a normal presidency?"

That right there is the question of the century (so far)!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/10/2014 8:18:25 AM     (No. 9960175)

There already are legal constraints on Presidents. And clearly, this President isn´t constrained by them. Nor would any future President who saw that merely ignoring or personally amending such laws by executive order (as Obama continues to do) wil not be stopped by a timid Congress or courts stacked with supportive judges.

No, the threat and the actuality of removal is in fact what would and will deter similarly inclined Presidents.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: grace1798, 8/10/2014 8:19:53 AM     (No. 9960178)

The libs did this in the Vietnam wars......forced our soldiers to NOT use weapons.....guns with no bullets in them. And many of our soldiers came home maimed for life...terribly maimed for life thanks to these babyfied liberals who still have a pacifier in their mouths.. We could have won, but NOOOOOO they had to interfere and as usual.....they did the same with this war on terror ...thus strengthening and enabling ISLAM and all Islam´s groups. They empowered them and weakened our Country(which was their DREAM). They were repeatedly warned by those who knew what these decisions would do but they just attacked those who warned them with made-up attacks using MEDIA to LIE to stupid people who they knew would fall for their lies. And so........today......we have chaos .....HEY....but the idiots and morons still get their checks. HOORAY huh?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/10/2014 8:22:25 AM     (No. 9960180)

Last post on this thread. You´re right, there are already legal constraints and Obama ignores them. If circumstances were different, I would be all for a movement to impeach. But here and now, it is impossible to get a conviction and a failed effort to remove Obama from office would accomplish nothing at all to influence later presidents.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Joe vann, 8/10/2014 8:32:10 AM     (No. 9960190)

Although there is nothing I had rather see than to impeach the traitor and possibly put him where he belongs...in the pen. However, as most of us agree we must wait and take control of the Senste.

That done the chances are still remote we can get 67 votes in the Senate to fire the thug. We need to wait until after the first of the year, see how the law suite and the Benghazi investigation are going. Count the votes in the Senate and then make a decision.

All must remember what happened with Clinton´s impeachment and the msm will protect Obama two to one compared to old Bill, who they dearly loved. It will be a spectacle beyond that could leave us in the mud, if we lost the impeachment. Big risk...know the odds.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Wakeupcall, 8/10/2014 8:35:41 AM     (No. 9960194)

Which is the greater outrage - a treacherous president, or an opposition party that refuses to expose the treachery?

What opposition party?

Conservative republicans basically have no say in the Marxist democrat want-to-be RINO party.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: lil dotty, 8/10/2014 8:36:44 AM     (No. 9960199)

A ´normal´ presidency? There is nothing ´normal´ to this ´won´. So, impeachment, but no removal from office. And, the possibility of another abnormal in the office in the near future. This one got there only because so many ignorant, wanting, ab-normals voted it in. What will be done with those in order they see the light? And the MFM, some, though not most might no longer be there to hide the facts and tout the real story. You know, be actual journalists and reporters. They as much as the ab-normals are guilty as sin.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 8/10/2014 8:43:10 AM     (No. 9960207)

This article points to his intentional and systematic meddling in the Middle East, not an oafish bungling of foreign policy.
THAT is why the RINOs are silent, because they don´t want the media to scream "racist" when they point out the obvious.
I pray that we never again elect anyone who will claim all criticism to be racist or sexist. You can bash a white man´s policies anytime it is needful!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: donnaclaire, 8/10/2014 8:52:20 AM     (No. 9960217)

If the Republicans don´t stand up and ´fight´ - with strength and passion - it will be a crying shame. Romney and McCain were oh so ´tepid´ and cautious when they ran against Obama and were so afraid of offending the left. For heaven´s sake, they need to stand up and tell it like it is next time around.

The Democrats have led America down a path of debt, destruction and danger by excusing, supporting and promoting Obama´s agenda. They deserve to be called on the carpet…big time...and in no uncertain terms.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: guybee, 8/10/2014 8:59:50 AM     (No. 9960233)

The best way to call all of them on the carpet is at the ballot box.

We have to first, win back the Senate and build our majority in the House. This will mute the demonrats.

Then we need to systematically replace the Rinos. (Could be done simultaneously).

Then - and this is the MOST important step - eliminate the lifers in WashDC who continue to operate regardless of who is elected. The REAL enemy is the bureaucrats who have been embedded in DC to make life miserable for everyone else.

These are the enemy FOLKS - and the have no accountability.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: rsgonner, 8/10/2014 9:01:56 AM     (No. 9960235)

There must be some in the Black Ops community who can supply obozo´s Indonesian passport and record of aid as a foreign student at Occidental. obozo is a narcissistic sociopath. Remember how unhinged he was when his big ears were mentioned by Maureen Dowd in 2008? Use political judo and have him go on a rant and destroy himself when confronted with his Indonesian citizenship. Think "A Few Good Men" and obozo off the teleprompter.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MirJoy, 8/10/2014 9:27:16 AM     (No. 9960258)

There was a really great British t.v. series, a few years back, called, "Outnumbered", and the series was about a middle-class family - mom, dad (a middle school teacher) and three very bright kids. Anyway, in their dining area there sat a papier-mache´ elephant and - guess what? - no one ever mentioned it - it just sat there on its chair in the corner - and everything swirled around it, but it was never, ever mentioned.

Anyway, there are so many "elephants in the room" in our government - forget Obama and impeachment - nonsense talk - he´s always been on recess, but how about impeaching a few others, like: Pelousy, her behavior last week was really very disturbing; Boehner - worked for someone once who told me never to call a particular man (at State Dept.) after noon because by then the man was usually smashed - Boehner looks like he is always smashed; Reid - who says incredibly stupid things only on the floor of the House so he won´t be sued for libel.

These are our congressional LEADERS and they are responsible for much of the chaos we see everywhere, and the whole world is watching to see if anyone in our government will even acknowledge that there are a few elephants in room.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Coy860, 8/10/2014 9:36:19 AM     (No. 9960264)

Under normal cicumstances, in an America that existed 40 years ago a President would be impeached.
Unfortunately, these are not normal times, nearly 1/2 of citizens don´t understand the first thing about politics, and voted for a President who looks like them.
Impeachment proceedings will only infuriate his followers, and they will show up at the polls in droves..
It is best to take the Senate Majority, start pushing the countless Bills that are growing cobwebs on Harry Reid´s desk.
And jump start the economy.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: RancherJack, 8/10/2014 9:40:20 AM     (No. 9960267)

GOP yawns, sends out for more hookers and blow ..

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Freeloader, 8/10/2014 10:00:33 AM     (No. 9960297)

Republican silence? Why are we surprised? Our "fearless leaders," Senator Addison Mitchell McConnell, Jr. and Congressman John Andrew Boehner, have both: (1) Been part of the Georgetown/Capitol Hill social scene for a combined total of over fifty-four years (2) Maintained "A" List standings on "The Georgetown Cocktail Party Preferred Invitees List" for years and (3) Are card-carrying members, in good standing, of "The Congressional Cross-Over-The-Aisle Congeniality Society."

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 8/10/2014 10:18:22 AM     (No. 9960316)

Obama is not a normal president and these are not normal times. One of my frustrations with pundits like O´Reilly, is they keep trying to analyze his actions through a normal prism. THey cling to the world they know, not the new reality.
We have been so damaged by uneducated voters and progressive partisans in the media that I can´t see how the next president can turn things around.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: tonyp173, 8/10/2014 10:20:15 AM     (No. 9960322)

The Republicans in Congress are--first, foremost, and irretrievably--politicians. They will do nothing that threatens their own careers. With the media in the tank for Obama, with a large percentage of "folks" eager to accept any largesse from POTUS, and with a similarly large percentage of low info citizens, these politicians know that w/o the votes to convict Obama, Articles of Impeachment would ultimately fail. Worse, it would serve to activate his base just when their zeal seems to be waning. The GOP Senators and Congressmen know that Obama loves talk of impeachment because he can claim that it´s evidence of racial animus. I know it´s frustrating, but lashing out at this Caligula wannabe with impotent tactics like impeachment is a dead bang loser. Frankly, I don´t see how impeachment works even if the Republicans take back the Senate and hold the House. it takes 67 votes to convict. Like Obama says, elections have consequences. if our Republic survives this Administration maybe we won´t be so quick to elect a narcissistic sociopath--like Hillary.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: dman, 8/10/2014 10:27:14 AM     (No. 9960329)

Dittos, #7 et al.

Impeachment is not a criminal process - it is a political one. The "restraint" is the damage to the reputation, legacy, and ego of those accused. Tyrants are essentially narcissistic egomaniacs, and impeachment is the public rebuke that goes to the heart of the matter.

I vote for the wisdom of the Framers over that of the GOP Establishment, its operatives, and its apologists. They should review what black, Democrat, TX Congresswoman Barbara Jordan said on the subject in 1974:


I was not in Rep. Jordan´s political camp, but she nailed it on this one. Conviction is not necessary for the process to be effective.

Also remember what Ben Franklin pointed out was the alternative to impeachment and why it is in the Constitution.

It all boils down to country above party. Preserving the republic is more important than winning the next election. And no, the two are not inexorably linked. I have become sadly convinced that the GOP is not the vehicle to save this nation. Most of us wish it were, but it is time to face reality.

Doing the Constitutionally right thing trumps what political consequences it may bring. Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor - remember?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: colowapiti, 8/10/2014 10:43:08 AM     (No. 9960347)

When out of control president´s like Obama appear, the constitution provides controls through congress and the judiciary. When the other two branches either aid the behavior, like Holder, the USSC, and the Senate Democrats have done, or simply ignore the problem, like the House and Senate GOP are doing, the country starts to slide into a authoritarian state.

I think we can agree we are pretty far along on that path now in light of Obama´s rule via executive orders.

In that light, #2,8,13´s responses can only be viewed as either naive or the result of having the same objectives as Democrats. I have my opinion on which it is.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: oh-heck, 8/10/2014 10:50:50 AM     (No. 9960359)

I understand how the new conservatives of 2010 and 2012 had spending control as a higher priority. Add in the handful of RINO hawks in the Senate and the fact that some of the new blood is libertarian, and I can see how it happened. No President has ever told his military to sit down and shut up because I am going for a negotiated settlement.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 8/10/2014 10:51:30 AM     (No. 9960362)

Obama is a raging lefty with no regard for law, and his actions are impeachable. Yet the Republicans do nothing. The Republican establishment puts on a good show especially during election season. How much money is spent buying off our politicians? It has taken both parties to get the country to the state it is in.

Regrettably, the Republicans are the only other party at this time. Hopefully the Tea Party (or some other group) gains traction in spite of the efforts of our media, the Democrats, and the Republicans. I´m not holding my breath. Really doubt this country can be turned around. Too many people are supporting things as they are or even move further left. Have to wonder if some day America will be ruled at the point of a gun. Its possible if things continue to deteriorate.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: NotReally, 8/10/2014 10:54:20 AM     (No. 9960368)

The last two presidential elections were statistical anomalies. Taking every precinct in minority areas of swing states has won the election twice. The entire electorate berates itself on false premises. Stoelnelections should not be taken too seriously - the NWO owns the ballot box- and Stalin was right - when he said it does not matter who votes but who counts the votes...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 8/10/2014 11:07:09 AM     (No. 9960386)

What will we accomplish by saying Obbama is not a normal President? Anyone with a brain already knows that. So long as he has the Senate we are wasting our time.

When my daughter was young she often noticed injustices not being corrected and would say: "But that´s not right" as though that was an argument. I could not get her to understand that right and wrong made no diference. Same thing here.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: trapper, 8/10/2014 11:13:21 AM     (No. 9960389)

FTA: "By his feckless interventions in the Middle East, and his tacit support for the chief organization of Islam’s terror war against the West, Obama has set the Middle East on fire."

And: "Why are Republicans still treating Obama as though his were a normal presidency and not a national disgrace?"

Set it on fire? Indeed he has. What frustrates me is that even as commenters such as Mr. Horowitz call for us to view the Obama presidency as something other than normal, he still describes Obama´s actions as "feckless" and a "disgrace." As if incompetence and randomness have anything to do with it.

It is long past time for us to recognize that this is no child playing with matches, no careless smoker, no psycho who just wants to watch something burn, but a skilled professional arsonist who dispassionately sets his blazes to further the objectives of a plan being played out by his employers. His role is actually relatively minor: set the blazes and leave the southern door unlocked. Once that´s done there is really nothing more to do, which leaves plenty of time for golf and vacations and parties.

Oh, and the single best argument against impeaching Obama is President Biden, which has been Obama´s ace in the hole all along.

But back to the question at hand: so who´s really running this op? To get to that sometimes it is necessary to turn it on its head. Inside out. Upside down. View good guys as bad guys. Allies as treacherous enemies. Players as manipulated pawns. Then see what pieces start to fit together. In the words of Jesse Stone: "The information´s out there. All you have to do is let it in."

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Reply 34 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 8/10/2014 11:40:07 AM     (No. 9960419)

Republicans are not being silent , they just don´t get any media coverage.
C Span is the only place where they show the Republicans making their excellent points in hearings.
Talk radio and the right wing outlets rarely bother to report on what Republicans are actually doing and saying.
It´s so much easier to set them up as straw men to rile up the audience.
Every week Boehner holds a regular press conference where he rails against Obama.
Has Limbaugh ever played a second of Boehner´s remarks ? Nope. He´s too busy selling curtains and getting book reviews from 5 year olds.
The same held for McCain and Romney.
They would give hard hitting speeches on the campaign trail
which got zero coverage .
And then they would be accused by the right of not fighting.
The right is as guilty as the left in promoting
the news they want you to hear , not what´s actually happened.
To respond to the naive premise of # 28.
Senate Republicans are 45 in number.
It take 66 Senators to convict. At most after January, Republicans may have 51 Senators.
One does not have to be a Democrat operative to recognize that Senators Elizabeth Warren, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Pat Leahy ,
Al Franken, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer
Cory Booker , Ed Markey , Jeanne Shaheen , Claire McCaskill,
Mary Landrieu,Carl Levin , Sherrod Brown ,Tim Kaine,
Patty Murray , Jay Rockefeller ,Barbara Mukulski , Bernie Sanders
and the rest of the 55 Senate Democrats
will never convict Obama.
There´s the real world and this fantasy world promoted by right wing talk radio.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 8/10/2014 12:36:29 PM     (No. 9960472)

I love David Horowitz - - but he´s a hopeless dreamer.

Does he really expect Pubbies to show courage and tenacity? Does he really expect them to crawl out from the tall weeds and speak out in public?

Sorry, David - - never, ever gonna happen. The Pubbies only goal is to replace the demonrats as managers of the lucrative and powerful welfare state.

Beyond that - - they haven´t a clue - - or a spine.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: colowapiti, 8/10/2014 2:18:40 PM     (No. 9960594)

Railing at Obama in press conferences and speeches is useless. It is great theater for the GOP Establishment rooting section, but has no value other than that. It is action that counts. We are looking for accomplishments, not words.

The one and only tangible action the GOP took was the sequester, and they gave that up faster than the time it took to get the original deal done.

Boehner has the ability to defund any number of programs, instead he gives the Dems everything they want. McConnell can resist and block Reid in the Senate, but instead chooses to call conservatives names.

There is your reality. The GOP leadership is either incompetent, complicit, or both. I say both. And their supporters on this site continue with the long lectures of what cannot be done. There´s a winning formula for success, inaction. What a foolish approach.

No solutions. No accomplishments. No opposition party. But it is the rest of us that are the problem, not the ruling class, right?

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Reply 37 - Posted by: bpl40, 8/10/2014 2:43:29 PM     (No. 9960611)

Impeachment promoters have an attitude that says "What if it fails. At least we fought the good fight and made our point". The problem with that is that the point impeachment and subsequent lack of conviction and removal will make has already been made. It will not change any hearts at the ballot box. It will however, successfully drive every other issue off the table. Something the MSM and the ´Rats who messed up the country are eagerly hoping for.
If Republicans fail to gain the Senate in ´14 then all is lost. Even under these horrific conditions if the enough voters are willing to cling on to their free meal tickets then the writing is on the wall. Exposing Democrats who enabled 0bama must be front and center till Election Day.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 8/10/2014 2:46:45 PM     (No. 9960615)

I keep waiting for Obama to have his Lonesome Rhodes moment...

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Reply 39 - Posted by: danvillebill, 8/10/2014 2:59:55 PM     (No. 9960625)

Thanks to Obama, we are a banana republic now, right?
So let´s behave like one.

When Zelaya tried to change the Honduran constitution to be dictator for life, the army, in conjunction with their Supreme Court, came in and marched him out of his oval Office. I say we give Obama the Honduran treatment.

Sometimes bananas can be sliced in unexpected ways.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: bighambone, 8/10/2014 3:00:09 PM     (No. 9960626)

When the liberal media starts suckering right wing Republican candidates to start talking about impeaching Obama during the run up to the November election, you will know that impeachment is a potential big political loser for the Republicans.

You can bet that Obama is going to take some radical actions within a couple of months to get those Republicans to start talking up his impeachment, that in reality he knows is never going to happen, as the liberal Democrats are never going to impeach the first black president.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: snakeoil, 8/10/2014 5:59:51 PM     (No. 9960747)

Slick Willie´s popularity peaked when he was impeached. The dims would turn it into a Them versus Us. Class war. Race war. And to succeed you´d need a two thirds vote in the senate. Ain´t going to happen. And even if it did you replace The Indonesian Imbecile with The Delaware Dummy. Face it. This country has been taken over by scum. And there´s no place to move. All we can do is hope they are all stoned on the next election day.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: OhMy, 8/10/2014 8:22:02 PM     (No. 9960850)

I have supported both the use of the power of the purse and impeachment to curb Obama abuses but both have been ruled out. These seem inadequate to Obama lawlessness anyway. Leave him in office and establish multiple constitutional amendments such as proposed by Mark Levin making Obama´s statist programs unconstitutional. I would add abolition of the IRS and the progressive income tax. This would be a fitting punishment for it´s politicization, the abuse of citizens, and the continued refusal to make even small reforms to this oppressive agency. Another amendment I would add would be modelled on the second amendment and in keeping with the fourth amendment bringing it up to date with modern communication technology: The govt used to restrict this calling it a "munition". We could view it as an explicitation of "the right to keep and bear arms. The right to produce, sell and use strong encryption shall not be infringed. The techies would soon clear the bugs and backdoors out and give us back our privacy. Edward Snowdon - like an athlete endorsing sports equipment!- could be compensated for his recent difficulties endorsing some of these products.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: lennon47, 8/10/2014 9:03:41 PM     (No. 9960873)

You can’t fault the Republican for staying silence. One word and the Democrats and the “journalist” holler racist. The stupid public will believe it. The Latino believe it. The blacks believe it. This country is screwed. Liberals have done permanent and serious damage.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: mulhaven, 8/10/2014 10:56:00 PM     (No. 9960944)

#42 has the only solution to this gargantuan problem of a corrupted political establishment and its intent to destroy the country.

Those who live in fear of the Democrat media and will not act because they tremble at the thought of being called names, they are part of the problem. Ronald Reagan was vilified by the Democrat media, and there was no other media, but he managed massive landslide victories. Even the Republican establishment ridiculed him. So much for the media goons being effective against an articulate, principled and highly intelligent conservative politician. It seemed like a miracle at the time. One asked, "how did he overcome the massive media assault and his own party´s denigration"? Please make some consideration for the fact that Americans are mostly conservative and when they hear the conservative philosophy and principles articulated they head to the ballot boxes.

If you think that an articulate conservative could not win again, you are wrong. If you think a conservative-in-talk-only (Cito?) can win, you are wrong - they just cannot fool enough people. Just look at the history of the Rino candidates.

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