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California couple struggling
after being forced to pay
deceased daughter’s student loans

Fox News, by Staff

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Posted By:MissMolly, 8/6/2014 8:15:12 AM

A California couple is speaking out after they say their finances have been devastated over their daughter’s student loan debt, which they are being forced to repay after the woman died unexpectedly four years ago. Steve and Darnelle Mason’s 27-year-old daughter Lisa died suddenly from a liver disease, leaving behind three children. Darnelle Mason, who is now raising her grandchildren along with her husband, told Fox Business the “excruciating” pain of losing her daughter has only been compounded by the crushing debt. “She was doing what she really loved to do,” Mason said. “So it is really just a crushing

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What am I missing here? If I cosign a loan and the person for whom I cosigned defaults (or dies), that doesn´t erase my responsibility for the loan.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: cartcart, 8/6/2014 8:23:47 AM     (No. 9954968)

Some people buy life insurance for this. Some don´t. Pay thy debt!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Doctor P, 8/6/2014 8:27:06 AM     (No. 9954970)

The government is here to help and wants its pound of flesh in return

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Calamity kate, 8/6/2014 8:27:59 AM     (No. 9954972)

OP- you´re not missing anything. They are trying to publically shame the bank into loan forgiveness. What is criminal here is the amount of debt accrued over 2 years for a nursing degree. So many less expensive ways to get a quality education, such as Western Governors University that offers nursing degrees and flat rate tuition per semester instead of per credit. I´m getting a Masters in Teaching through WGU and it´s the way to go!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 8/6/2014 8:29:15 AM     (No. 9954975)

But their victims! Of something, or somebody.

The only reason this story is being told is to build up public opinion for some sort of student loan bailout. All because too many people paid too much for worthless degrees ´doing what they love´, and ending up trying to pay off the loan on a burger flipper´s paycheck.

No sympathy here. I paid for my own education, plus that of two children. Lose something you don´t need, like the pretentious car, suck it up, and pay the loans.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 8/6/2014 8:45:06 AM     (No. 9954996)

People who cosign loans without thinking about how they´ll pay them off deserve what they get.

IMO, it sounds like the daughter was a train wreck - three kids, apparently no husband, going to school (and possibly supporting herself) on student loans. Makes me wonder if the children had different fathers.

There´s a lot missing in this story.



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Reply 6 - Posted by: cheeflo, 8/6/2014 8:47:52 AM     (No. 9954999)

I agree that, having co-signed the loan, they´re responsible to pay it off, and properly so. It´s unfortunate and unseemly that they are taking this route.

Still, this couple lost their daughter, and I feel heartbroken for them. It is a burden, more than just the money, they did not anticipate.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: PChristopher, 8/6/2014 8:55:24 AM     (No. 9955016)

The lending practices for student loans may indeed be usurious and predatory but you still need to read what you´re signing, people.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 9:05:11 AM     (No. 9955027)

Stuff happens. Life is about struggle. It would have made sense for someone to insure the daughter´s life for the amount of her loans. Unless she was already ill, knew she had liver disease, and was uninsurable.

How did this make the news? Did these people run to the media in an attempt to elicit sympathy - and help???

The rest of us just suck up things like this.

I´m very sorry they lost their daughter. They owe the money.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ru4us, 8/6/2014 9:05:33 AM     (No. 9955028)

Does any of the monthly payment go toward loan insurance? If so, the holder of the paper will be paid twice if the Mason´s pay off the loan.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: shamus, 8/6/2014 9:11:57 AM     (No. 9955037)

This is a tragedy for the people involved.

It illustrates the risks posed by debt to those who do not have adequate understanding of finance. Perhaps the university should be required to eat the cost in a case like this, as they could easily get very low cost group life insurance on their students.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 9:15:11 AM     (No. 9955043)

$100,000 for a nursing degree? And now it has ballooned to $200,000? Except that some of the loans have been forgiven?

I don´t care if he is a minister. This sounds very strange.

What justification has he (other than personal pain) for pushing to change the rules re student loans? How are they different from any other kind of debt?

I looked up his church - Oasis Church in Redlands. It is an independent church that he started in 1980 out of a bible study group he and his wife had. Its "worship style" is "contemporary worship".

More here: http://www.usachurches.org/church/oasis-church-redlands.htm

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mamafrog, 8/6/2014 9:17:51 AM     (No. 9955046)

This is the reason my husband I refused to co-sign medical school loans for my daughter. She went to a different school, now works for the public health service and loves her job. It is important for parents not to support their children in their every poorly thought out decision.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pearson365, 8/6/2014 9:20:02 AM     (No. 9955050)

"Mason said his daughter’s debt has ballooned to $200,000 and the payments exceed $2,000 a month."

A. Appears that the Mason´s daughter was supporting her 3 children and herself by using student loan monies. Did her parents, who co-signed the multiple loans from different lenders ever ask how she afforded her lifestyle as a student?

B. Worst thing about story is the Willis Report interview, in which the "business" reporter treats the parents as victims. It was tragic that the Mason´s daughter died 4 years ago at age 23, but how would this single woman with 3 young kids have paid off her student loan debt (plus possible car & credit card debts) if she had lived?

C. If we ask every illegal who has entered our country just this year to donate $1.00 each, the $200,000 + accrued interest would be paid off in full this week.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: lydwho, 8/6/2014 9:30:21 AM     (No. 9955066)

Does she really think that I, a tax payer, should pay it for her???? I don´t even know the broad and don´t want to!!!!!

She signed the paper agreeing to the terms, now live with it!!!!!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: god of irony, 8/6/2014 9:31:59 AM     (No. 9955068)

And why should bank stockholders and taxpayers be responsible? We didn´t co-sign the loan.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/6/2014 9:37:18 AM     (No. 9955074)

Steve and Darnelle Mason’s 27-year-old daughter Lisa died suddenly from a liver disease, leaving behind three children. Darnelle Mason, who is now raising her grandchildren along with her husband,

Where is/are the kids´ father/fathers?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 9:38:15 AM     (No. 9955076)

Here´s an interesting sidelight on Pastor Mason of Oasis Church:

"REDLANDS: Former sheriff’s deputy sued over “investments”
http://blog.pe.com/cassie-macduff/2013/08/19/redlands-former-sheriffs-deputy-sued-over-investments/

There’s a saying: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

But investors eager to earn the 15 percent to 50 percent returns they say were promised by a former San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy couldn’t resist.

The former deputy, Christopher Burnell, has been sued by five men who lost between $120,000 and $700,000 each, and an investment broker who lost $4.2 million of his clients’ money, one of them an elderly Alzheimer’s patient. (Snip)Burnell was also sued by Edward Boyd, who heard about the “investment opportunity” from his pastor at Oasis Church. He lost $150,000, but got the Escalade.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 8/6/2014 9:39:30 AM     (No. 9955077)

if you co-sign a loan (and you really should never) you would be better off presuming that some time in the future the debt will likely be yours...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 8/6/2014 9:52:55 AM     (No. 9955093)

“We knew if she didn’t pay her debt we would be responsible by co-signing, but we didn’t know that if she died the debt would fall to us,” he said.

To whom did he think her debt would fall?

This minister of "contemporary worship" (thank you for your research, #11) seems to be saying, "If someone must struggle and sacrifice, let it not be me."

Ditto what everyone else has said about the struggles of life and paying your own way.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/6/2014 9:54:38 AM     (No. 9955097)

And yes, it´s true, loan recipients DO use the money for personal life. I know several children of my friends whose loans also paid for their apt. rent, groceries, cable TV and clothes. That being said, I feel bad for these people.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/6/2014 10:00:10 AM     (No. 9955106)

This couple has been all over the internet and the media outlets pleading their case and using their case to push for student loan forgiveness.

Their daughter did not qualify for federal loans, which would have been forgiven. So she took private loans and the lenders undoubtedly required that the parents co-sign.

These people run a church and they are showing now that they know how to run a substantial campaign to help themselves. They do not appear to be struggling (I am seeing salon-coiffed hair and good clothes). And they are looking to the public to donate to them and so support their move for student loan reform. Private student loan reform.

I think the whole thing - plus this minister´s shilling for the crook who took one of his parishioners for $150,000 after the parishioner invested based on a tip by Pastor Mason.

I think they are flaky to the max.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/6/2014 10:01:23 AM     (No. 9955108)

Left something out.

I think the whole thing - plus this minister´s shilling for the crook who took one of his parishioners for $150,000 after the parishioner invested based on a tip by Pastor Mason - indiates this is a scam.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 8/6/2014 10:26:46 AM     (No. 9955147)

It´s a shame that she died so young - - but - - who´s supposed to pay her debts - - someone else?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Hadjipoo, 8/6/2014 10:59:25 AM     (No. 9955215)

How did this become an open door for slamming Christians? Strange culture we live in.

They co-signed. People need to pay closer attention to the fine print.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 11:19:56 AM     (No. 9955247)

Having some serious questions about a pastor who runs an independent church he started - and which employs himself, his wife and his son - is NOT "slamming Christians".

He is actively begging for financial aid for himself under the guise of "changing the system". But this is not a government system. These are private loans his daughter and her parents took out willingly. They surely read the fine print.

Most of us know that there are Christians and then there are "Christians".

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Reply 26 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 11:25:08 AM     (No. 9955257)

Re #25, the daughter, BTW, took out these private loans because she did not qualify for federal student loans. She was a poor credit risk so needed her parents to co-sign.

I have never known someone with liver cancer to die suddenly, unexpectedly. So I have a lot of questions about this. And yes, I am a Christian. We´re allowed to have questions.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: tank, 8/6/2014 11:56:33 AM     (No. 9955338)

Hey, there´s always Kickstarter.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 8/6/2014 12:04:00 PM     (No. 9955351)

It´s a great personal tragedy for a mother to die at 28, but $200,000 in student loans for nursing school? Couldn´t she have gone to a state school? That amount seems high even if she were in medical school.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 8/6/2014 1:34:22 PM     (No. 9955497)

"he and his wife, who had co-signed the loans"

That´s all the further I had to read. When I was still in high school, my father (the lawyer) taught me the legal definition of a co-signer: a monkey with a pen in his hand...

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Reply 30 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 8:19:13 PM     (No. 9956024)

It should be noted that the original debt was supposedly $100K or so. The daughter died four years ago. Now the debt has increased to $200K and a small portion has been dropped.

The debt reduction negotiation should have been going on four years ago. Denial can be expensive.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: msjena, 8/6/2014 11:01:18 PM     (No. 9956193)

Federal loans don´t always cover the entire cost so it shouldn´t be assumed she wouldn´t qualify. In fact, just about everyone qualifies for federal loans--especially students who have no credit history (and thus, no bad credit). Private lenders won´t lend to students without a cosigner. And the interest rate can be lower on private loans. The Federal Plus loan rate is currently over 7%.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: cheeflo, 8/7/2014 8:39:34 AM     (No. 9956573)

#26 -- I´ve learned more about this story since first posting and the Albuquerque Journal reports that Lisa Mason was a chronic prescription drug abuser, whose drug-induced death was ruled an accident. Oxycodone is formulated with acetaminophen, which can contribute to liver failure.

Can´t quite muster the level of sympathy for this family that I had yesterday.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: TXknitter, 8/7/2014 7:41:59 PM     (No. 9957339)

FOX interview was very sympathetic when they did not do their homework on this story. I learned more HERE -- should not be surprised. This campaign to publicly shame the loan companies is disgusting. I detest the way people who feel like "victims" do this to get their way. Shame on him. Irresponsible loan amount for a nursing degree but he co-signed the paper. Pay it!

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CBS is putting its Hillary-inspired drama "Madam Secretary" on Sunday nights next to "The Good Wife." In Friday´s New York Times, TV critic Alessandra Stanley discussed the two shows and slammed Hillary. "Hillary Rodham Clinton is the obvious inspiration, but this is Hillary with a human face," she wrote. During the Cold War, reporters would suggest a kinder, gentler Marxist regime was "communism with a human face." Stanley continued: "Téa Leoni, who has a husky voice and a loose, engaging manner, is an unusually likable beauty. As Elizabeth McCord, she has all the brains and determination of the original and none

Four teachings from Jesus
that everybody gets wrong

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CNN, by Amy-Jill Levine    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/21/2014 3:52:29 PM     Post Reply
It was once said, “religion is designed to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable.” Jesus’ parables – short stories with moral lessons – were likewise designed to afflict, to draw us in but leave us uncomfortable. These teachings can be read as being about divine love and salvation, sure. But, their first listeners – first century Jews in Galilee and Judea – heard much more challenging messages. Only when we hear the parables as Jesus’ own audience did can we fully experience their power and find ourselves surprised and challenged today. Here are four examples of Jesus’ teachings that everybody gets wrong: 1.

Democrats Are Poised To Hold The
Senate, And It´s Conservative´s Fault

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Townhall, by Derek Hunter    Original Article
Posted By: SpeedMaster- 9/21/2014 12:25:17 PM     Post Reply
I know a lot of people are giddy at the prospect of Republicans taking the Senate this November, but that’s becoming less and less likely. It’s not because Democrats are rallying around a particular mission or set of candidates; it’s because Republicans and conservatives aren’t. It seems like I’m always writing on issues no one wants to hear are mistakes, such as messaging or social issues. But I don’t care. These things have to be said. If these columns are received like a gaseous cousin on a long car trip through the desert, so be it. Crack a window… If things continue on their current course, the GOP will not retake the Senate.

Security breached:
Intruder gets into White House

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Associated Press, by Josh Lederman    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/20/2014 7:41:42 AM     Post Reply
Washington - The Secret Service is coming under intense scrutiny after a man who hopped the White House fence made it all the way through the front door before being apprehended. President Barack Obama and his daughters had just departed the White House on Friday evening when an intruder scaled the north fence, darted across the lawn and into the presidential residence, where agents nabbed him. The security breach triggered a rare evacuation of much of the White House, with Secret Service officers drawing their guns as they rushed staffers and journalists out a side door.

Is Obama whitewashing a traitor?
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New York Post, by Paul Sperry    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/20/2014 3:36:13 PM     Post Reply
Three and a half months have come and gone and the Pentagon has offered no clarity on what happened to alleged Army deserter and Taliban collaborator Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Fellow soldiers and other critics fear the military’s now-delayed investigation is shaping up to be a whitewash. The case has become a political powder keg for President Obama. Since he traded five imprisoned Taliban leaders for Bergdahl, the US Government Accountability Office has declared the swap illegal, and nearly two dozen House Democrats have joined Republicans in officially condemning the move for making “Americans less safe.”

Petition Urges Obama To Let Border-
Jumper Stay In The White House

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Daily Caller, by Neil Munro    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/21/2014 5:26:31 AM     Post Reply
The man who jumped the White House railing Sept. 19 deserves the right to live in President Barack Obama’s home, just as the president is allowing hundreds of thousands of border-jumping Central Americans to live in Americans’ homeland, says a new tongue-in-cheek petition posted at the White House website. “We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence,” says the petition, which was authored by D.A. King, founder of the Georgia-based

Two Redheaded Strangers
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New York Times, by Maureen Dowd    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/21/2014 4:41:06 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — WHEN Willie Nelson invites you to get high with him on his bus, you go. The man is the patron saint of pot, after all, and I’m the poster girl for bad pot trips. It seemed like a match made in hash heaven. When Nelson sang at the 9:30 club in D.C. one recent night, I ventured onto the Honeysuckle Rose, as his tour bus and home-away-from-home is called. I was feeling pretty shy about meeting him. The 81-year-old Redheaded Stranger is an icon, one of America’s top songwriters and, as Rolling Stone said, “a hippie’s hippie and

Scott Brown riding an
anti-Obama wave in N.H.

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Boston Globe, by Joshua Miller    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 9/20/2014 12:51:40 PM     Post Reply
SALEM, N.H. — Voters have soured on President Obama. National and statewide trends favor Republicans. And here in his new home state, Scott Brown’s truck is gaining speed. Analysts and recent polls have found Brown closing in on US Senator Jeanne Shaheen, the Democratic incumbent he is vying to unseat, in a race that has become increasingly nasty and expensive. Once largely dismissed by critics as an unlikely second act in a state he moved to only last year, Brown’s Senate bid is increasingly seen as a plausible path back to the US Capitol. Observers see a race that may be largely determined


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