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California couple struggling
after being forced to pay
deceased daughter’s student loans

Fox News, by Staff

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Posted By:MissMolly, 8/6/2014 8:15:12 AM

A California couple is speaking out after they say their finances have been devastated over their daughter’s student loan debt, which they are being forced to repay after the woman died unexpectedly four years ago. Steve and Darnelle Mason’s 27-year-old daughter Lisa died suddenly from a liver disease, leaving behind three children. Darnelle Mason, who is now raising her grandchildren along with her husband, told Fox Business the “excruciating” pain of losing her daughter has only been compounded by the crushing debt. “She was doing what she really loved to do,” Mason said. “So it is really just a crushing

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What am I missing here? If I cosign a loan and the person for whom I cosigned defaults (or dies), that doesn´t erase my responsibility for the loan.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: cartcart, 8/6/2014 8:23:47 AM     (No. 9954968)

Some people buy life insurance for this. Some don´t. Pay thy debt!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Doctor P, 8/6/2014 8:27:06 AM     (No. 9954970)

The government is here to help and wants its pound of flesh in return

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Calamity kate, 8/6/2014 8:27:59 AM     (No. 9954972)

OP- you´re not missing anything. They are trying to publically shame the bank into loan forgiveness. What is criminal here is the amount of debt accrued over 2 years for a nursing degree. So many less expensive ways to get a quality education, such as Western Governors University that offers nursing degrees and flat rate tuition per semester instead of per credit. I´m getting a Masters in Teaching through WGU and it´s the way to go!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 8/6/2014 8:29:15 AM     (No. 9954975)

But their victims! Of something, or somebody.

The only reason this story is being told is to build up public opinion for some sort of student loan bailout. All because too many people paid too much for worthless degrees ´doing what they love´, and ending up trying to pay off the loan on a burger flipper´s paycheck.

No sympathy here. I paid for my own education, plus that of two children. Lose something you don´t need, like the pretentious car, suck it up, and pay the loans.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 8/6/2014 8:45:06 AM     (No. 9954996)

People who cosign loans without thinking about how they´ll pay them off deserve what they get.

IMO, it sounds like the daughter was a train wreck - three kids, apparently no husband, going to school (and possibly supporting herself) on student loans. Makes me wonder if the children had different fathers.

There´s a lot missing in this story.



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Reply 6 - Posted by: cheeflo, 8/6/2014 8:47:52 AM     (No. 9954999)

I agree that, having co-signed the loan, they´re responsible to pay it off, and properly so. It´s unfortunate and unseemly that they are taking this route.

Still, this couple lost their daughter, and I feel heartbroken for them. It is a burden, more than just the money, they did not anticipate.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: PChristopher, 8/6/2014 8:55:24 AM     (No. 9955016)

The lending practices for student loans may indeed be usurious and predatory but you still need to read what you´re signing, people.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 9:05:11 AM     (No. 9955027)

Stuff happens. Life is about struggle. It would have made sense for someone to insure the daughter´s life for the amount of her loans. Unless she was already ill, knew she had liver disease, and was uninsurable.

How did this make the news? Did these people run to the media in an attempt to elicit sympathy - and help???

The rest of us just suck up things like this.

I´m very sorry they lost their daughter. They owe the money.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ru4us, 8/6/2014 9:05:33 AM     (No. 9955028)

Does any of the monthly payment go toward loan insurance? If so, the holder of the paper will be paid twice if the Mason´s pay off the loan.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: shamus, 8/6/2014 9:11:57 AM     (No. 9955037)

This is a tragedy for the people involved.

It illustrates the risks posed by debt to those who do not have adequate understanding of finance. Perhaps the university should be required to eat the cost in a case like this, as they could easily get very low cost group life insurance on their students.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 9:15:11 AM     (No. 9955043)

$100,000 for a nursing degree? And now it has ballooned to $200,000? Except that some of the loans have been forgiven?

I don´t care if he is a minister. This sounds very strange.

What justification has he (other than personal pain) for pushing to change the rules re student loans? How are they different from any other kind of debt?

I looked up his church - Oasis Church in Redlands. It is an independent church that he started in 1980 out of a bible study group he and his wife had. Its "worship style" is "contemporary worship".

More here: http://www.usachurches.org/church/oasis-church-redlands.htm

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mamafrog, 8/6/2014 9:17:51 AM     (No. 9955046)

This is the reason my husband I refused to co-sign medical school loans for my daughter. She went to a different school, now works for the public health service and loves her job. It is important for parents not to support their children in their every poorly thought out decision.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pearson365, 8/6/2014 9:20:02 AM     (No. 9955050)

"Mason said his daughter’s debt has ballooned to $200,000 and the payments exceed $2,000 a month."

A. Appears that the Mason´s daughter was supporting her 3 children and herself by using student loan monies. Did her parents, who co-signed the multiple loans from different lenders ever ask how she afforded her lifestyle as a student?

B. Worst thing about story is the Willis Report interview, in which the "business" reporter treats the parents as victims. It was tragic that the Mason´s daughter died 4 years ago at age 23, but how would this single woman with 3 young kids have paid off her student loan debt (plus possible car & credit card debts) if she had lived?

C. If we ask every illegal who has entered our country just this year to donate $1.00 each, the $200,000 + accrued interest would be paid off in full this week.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: lydwho, 8/6/2014 9:30:21 AM     (No. 9955066)

Does she really think that I, a tax payer, should pay it for her???? I don´t even know the broad and don´t want to!!!!!

She signed the paper agreeing to the terms, now live with it!!!!!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: god of irony, 8/6/2014 9:31:59 AM     (No. 9955068)

And why should bank stockholders and taxpayers be responsible? We didn´t co-sign the loan.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/6/2014 9:37:18 AM     (No. 9955074)

Steve and Darnelle Mason’s 27-year-old daughter Lisa died suddenly from a liver disease, leaving behind three children. Darnelle Mason, who is now raising her grandchildren along with her husband,

Where is/are the kids´ father/fathers?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 9:38:15 AM     (No. 9955076)

Here´s an interesting sidelight on Pastor Mason of Oasis Church:

"REDLANDS: Former sheriff’s deputy sued over “investments”
http://blog.pe.com/cassie-macduff/2013/08/19/redlands-former-sheriffs-deputy-sued-over-investments/

There’s a saying: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

But investors eager to earn the 15 percent to 50 percent returns they say were promised by a former San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy couldn’t resist.

The former deputy, Christopher Burnell, has been sued by five men who lost between $120,000 and $700,000 each, and an investment broker who lost $4.2 million of his clients’ money, one of them an elderly Alzheimer’s patient. (Snip)Burnell was also sued by Edward Boyd, who heard about the “investment opportunity” from his pastor at Oasis Church. He lost $150,000, but got the Escalade.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 8/6/2014 9:39:30 AM     (No. 9955077)

if you co-sign a loan (and you really should never) you would be better off presuming that some time in the future the debt will likely be yours...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 8/6/2014 9:52:55 AM     (No. 9955093)

“We knew if she didn’t pay her debt we would be responsible by co-signing, but we didn’t know that if she died the debt would fall to us,” he said.

To whom did he think her debt would fall?

This minister of "contemporary worship" (thank you for your research, #11) seems to be saying, "If someone must struggle and sacrifice, let it not be me."

Ditto what everyone else has said about the struggles of life and paying your own way.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/6/2014 9:54:38 AM     (No. 9955097)

And yes, it´s true, loan recipients DO use the money for personal life. I know several children of my friends whose loans also paid for their apt. rent, groceries, cable TV and clothes. That being said, I feel bad for these people.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/6/2014 10:00:10 AM     (No. 9955106)

This couple has been all over the internet and the media outlets pleading their case and using their case to push for student loan forgiveness.

Their daughter did not qualify for federal loans, which would have been forgiven. So she took private loans and the lenders undoubtedly required that the parents co-sign.

These people run a church and they are showing now that they know how to run a substantial campaign to help themselves. They do not appear to be struggling (I am seeing salon-coiffed hair and good clothes). And they are looking to the public to donate to them and so support their move for student loan reform. Private student loan reform.

I think the whole thing - plus this minister´s shilling for the crook who took one of his parishioners for $150,000 after the parishioner invested based on a tip by Pastor Mason.

I think they are flaky to the max.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/6/2014 10:01:23 AM     (No. 9955108)

Left something out.

I think the whole thing - plus this minister´s shilling for the crook who took one of his parishioners for $150,000 after the parishioner invested based on a tip by Pastor Mason - indiates this is a scam.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 8/6/2014 10:26:46 AM     (No. 9955147)

It´s a shame that she died so young - - but - - who´s supposed to pay her debts - - someone else?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Hadjipoo, 8/6/2014 10:59:25 AM     (No. 9955215)

How did this become an open door for slamming Christians? Strange culture we live in.

They co-signed. People need to pay closer attention to the fine print.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 11:19:56 AM     (No. 9955247)

Having some serious questions about a pastor who runs an independent church he started - and which employs himself, his wife and his son - is NOT "slamming Christians".

He is actively begging for financial aid for himself under the guise of "changing the system". But this is not a government system. These are private loans his daughter and her parents took out willingly. They surely read the fine print.

Most of us know that there are Christians and then there are "Christians".

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Reply 26 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/6/2014 11:25:08 AM     (No. 9955257)

Re #25, the daughter, BTW, took out these private loans because she did not qualify for federal student loans. She was a poor credit risk so needed her parents to co-sign.

I have never known someone with liver cancer to die suddenly, unexpectedly. So I have a lot of questions about this. And yes, I am a Christian. We´re allowed to have questions.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: tank, 8/6/2014 11:56:33 AM     (No. 9955338)

Hey, there´s always Kickstarter.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 8/6/2014 12:04:00 PM     (No. 9955351)

It´s a great personal tragedy for a mother to die at 28, but $200,000 in student loans for nursing school? Couldn´t she have gone to a state school? That amount seems high even if she were in medical school.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 8/6/2014 1:34:22 PM     (No. 9955497)

"he and his wife, who had co-signed the loans"

That´s all the further I had to read. When I was still in high school, my father (the lawyer) taught me the legal definition of a co-signer: a monkey with a pen in his hand...

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Reply 30 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/6/2014 8:19:13 PM     (No. 9956024)

It should be noted that the original debt was supposedly $100K or so. The daughter died four years ago. Now the debt has increased to $200K and a small portion has been dropped.

The debt reduction negotiation should have been going on four years ago. Denial can be expensive.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: msjena, 8/6/2014 11:01:18 PM     (No. 9956193)

Federal loans don´t always cover the entire cost so it shouldn´t be assumed she wouldn´t qualify. In fact, just about everyone qualifies for federal loans--especially students who have no credit history (and thus, no bad credit). Private lenders won´t lend to students without a cosigner. And the interest rate can be lower on private loans. The Federal Plus loan rate is currently over 7%.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: cheeflo, 8/7/2014 8:39:34 AM     (No. 9956573)

#26 -- I´ve learned more about this story since first posting and the Albuquerque Journal reports that Lisa Mason was a chronic prescription drug abuser, whose drug-induced death was ruled an accident. Oxycodone is formulated with acetaminophen, which can contribute to liver failure.

Can´t quite muster the level of sympathy for this family that I had yesterday.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: TXknitter, 8/7/2014 7:41:59 PM     (No. 9957339)

FOX interview was very sympathetic when they did not do their homework on this story. I learned more HERE -- should not be surprised. This campaign to publicly shame the loan companies is disgusting. I detest the way people who feel like "victims" do this to get their way. Shame on him. Irresponsible loan amount for a nursing degree but he co-signed the paper. Pay it!

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It is the stuff that nightmares are made of, and day by day it is getting worse. The Ebola epidemic, says Dr Margaret Chan, director-general of the World Health Organisation (WHO), is now “the greatest peacetime challenge” since the Second World War. Yet her own organisation’s tardiness, partly caused by cuts, together with reductions in--and misuse of--funds elsewhere, are largely responsible for Ebola spiralling out of control. [Snip] It’s just the beginning. At present the numbers of people infected are thought to be doubling in under 30 days--and the blue-chip US Center for Disease Control and Prevention predicts that, if Ebola

28 words that Democrats
really wish President Obama
didn’t say today

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Washington Post, by Chris Cillizza    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 10/2/2014 10:48:52 PM     Post Reply
President Obama was at Northwestern University on Thursday to deliver an economic speech that, he and his team hoped, would lay out the case for why the public is better off today than they were six years ago -- even if they didn´t feel it in their everday lives. Instead, Obama just gave every Republican ad-maker in the country more fodder for negative ads linking Democratic candidates to him. Here are the four sentences that will draw all of the attention (they come more than two thirds of the way through the speech): "I am not on the ballot this

Ebola is a greater clear and present
threat to America than any terror group -
so why is Obama spending billions bombing
ISIS but only millions blitzing the virus?

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Daily Mail [UK], by Piers Morgan    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 10/4/2014 7:00:30 AM     Post Reply
I’m always sceptical when I hear scare-mongering claims about diseases. From bird flu to SARS, we’re repeatedly told it’s going to be the new Plague that will wipe everyone out and then…it doesn’t. Probably because the scare-mongering itself makes people take it seriously enough to prevent it spreading. But there is something very sinister and frightening about this Ebola outbreak, which has so far infected 7,100 and killed 3,300. [Snip] It’s hard to think of a more cack-handed, dangerously inept response than what transpired in Dallas. Consider what we now know: Thomas Eric Duncan, a 42-year-old Liberian citizen, had been

Michelle Obama: U.S. Has Improved
´By Almost Every Economic Measure´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Warner Todd Huston    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 10/4/2014 10:36:54 AM     Post Reply
In a speech in Boston, First Lady Michelle Obama left behind talk of exercise and school lunches, exchanging it all for bald politics by claiming that under her husband the US economy is now better off "by almost every economic measure." The First Lady appeared at the Strand Theater Friday to stump for Martha Coakley´s campaign for Governor of Massachusetts. Coakley needs help badly, as even in blue, blue Massachusetts, the race between Democrat Coakley and Republican Charlie Baker is essentially a toss up. In her remarks, Obama pushed the President´s newest campaign line that he has saved the economy based on

United Airlines Flight 998 From Brussels
To Newark Liberty Met By Hazmat CDC
Officials – Liberian Father and Daughter*

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Conservative Treehouse, by Sundance    Original Article
Posted By: galloglass- 10/4/2014 3:00:31 PM     Post Reply
Ladies and Gentlemen: Please secure your trays tables and seats into their upright and locked positions, along with any vomit or other Potentially Infectious Materials for our flight staff to pick up as we prepare for arrival to our final destination”…. “And, as always, the staff of United Flight 998 would like to thank you for remaining calm as we transport the Ebola virus to a destination near you”. NEW YORK - A United Airilines flight from Brussels was met by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials today at Newark Liberty International Airport after a passenger on board believed to be from Liberia exhibited possible signs of

Michelle Obama Won’t Campaign
For Democrats Because She’s Mad
Over Letter About Potatoes

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 10/4/2014 5:00:34 PM     Post Reply
First lady Michelle Obama believes that Democrats running for Congress eagerly desire her presence on the campaign trail during the run-up to the 2014 midterm elections. However, she has avoided helping some Senate Democrats because she’s mad at them for failing to show adequate support for her deeply unpopular attempt to change people’s diets. The Daily Caller is not making this up. The New York Times has reported it. (Snip) Michelle Obama was also especially furious after nearly a dozen Democrats from states where potatoes are a commercial crop joined Republican lawmakers in opposing a decision by the Obama

Meghan McCain on Secret
Service: ´I hated all of them´

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Kurtz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 10/3/2014 12:30:44 AM     Post Reply
Meghan McCain joined the dog pile on the Secret Service this week, saying she’s had “nothing but horrible experiences" with the agency and likening the agents to “glorified mall cops.” The 29-year-old author and television personality, who is also the daughter of former GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), opened up on Pivot’s “TakePart Live” about some of her interactions with the Secret Service. "I have nothing but horrible experiences with the Secret Service,” McCain said. “One of my friends called them glorified mall cops and I don´t think that´s terribly far off. I found them cliquey. I hated


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