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Obama’s Impeachment Game
New York Times, by Ross Douthat

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 8/3/2014 11:39:40 AM

Something rather dangerous is happening in American politics right now, all the more so for being taken for granted by many of the people watching it unfold. I do not mean the confusion of House Republicans, or the general gridlock in Congress, which are impeding legislative action on the child migrant crisis (among other matters). Incompetence and gridlock are significant problems, indeed severe ones, but they’re happening within the context of a constitutional system that allows for — and can survive — congressional inaction. What is different — more cynical and more destructive — is the course President Obama is

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We can talk of impeachment, but without a trial in the Senate that "fairly" (bipartisan vote) removes him from office as our Constitution required, it´s political show to distract. There are plenty of reasons during 0bama´s tenure so far to find one to bring him down. Why else would 0bama slip into his childish mood and ´dare and even double dare the GOP to try. Meanwhile, he will continue to wreck the separations of power, as well as overstep his authority.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: avital2, 8/3/2014 11:58:50 AM     (No. 9951787)

obama is dreaming of impeachment charge - because messiahs need to climb the cross.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: chumley, 8/3/2014 12:03:58 PM     (No. 9951789)

Give him impeachment because he ignores The Constitution, or dont give him impeachment and allow him to continue ignoring The Constitution.
Inaction equates to approval.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: EQKimball, 8/3/2014 12:09:28 PM     (No. 9951794)

Well said. Republicans are in a Catch 22. If Obama acts unconstitutionally by granting legal status to millions of unlawful entrants, the threat of impeaching the first African American president will drive Democrats and minorities to the polls in numbers to assure the Senate stays in the hands of the Democrats.

If the Republicans do nothing, Obama will be tempted to test the further limits of their patience. If patience has no end, he becomes a de facto dictator. If patience ends, he becomes an instant martyr of the Left at no more cost than the cost to Bill Clinton, because the even a Republican Senate will lack the 67 votes necessary to convict. And, oh yes, he still becomes a de facto dictator. Heads I win, tails you lose. The path to recovery from this awful mess is a two-step process: Republicans must win the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016. Failure of the first step is not fatal, but failure of both just might be.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Engrpat, 8/3/2014 12:25:02 PM     (No. 9951806)

Let´s face it, the Senate will not vote to convict, no way. That being the case for the House to vote to impeach would be dumb and to make the argument that you impeach because of what he doing to the Constitution and this will stop him...no it won´t. So he gets impeached, big deal, now he is a martyr which is a bad move.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: chillijilli, 8/3/2014 12:28:59 PM     (No. 9951810)

It is not a child migrant crisis. It is US citizen wannabes using children as human shields. Let´s call it what it is.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: mulhaven, 8/3/2014 12:32:34 PM     (No. 9951813)

It is interesting that those who claim impeachment is not to be enacted, because the Senate will refuse to remove Obama from office, are the same people who want the House to proceed with their illegal alien legislation even though they know it will at a minimum be vetoed. So political expediency says nay to one and yea to the other.

Impeachment will surface and record illegal activities engaged in by Obama, whereas the legislation will only increase the conservative vote for the Republicans. The arguments have been made disingenuously and it is insulting to all.

There is no interest in impeachment by the establishment because it is a hot potato with the Democrat media, on the other hand, the legislation will cause no media fury but might gain them some votes.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: EQKimball, 8/3/2014 12:47:32 PM     (No. 9951827)

Please indulge a second post: If Obama acts after Labor Day, he leaves no time for any congressional action, as Congress will recess in October in order to campaign for reelection. Politics require that they not leave a clear field for the challengers back home. What his action would accomplish at minimum is to change the national debate over illegal immigration, Obamacare, the IRS and Veterans Affairs to whether the House will later vote articles of impeachment. The issue would lead to a press feeding frenzy, with each Republican being besieged by this question and little else. Those who answer yes must prepare for an onslaught of out-of-district money and resources to drive the Democrats to the polls. Those who answer no risk offending their base. Those who change the subject will be suspected of having no backbone. Fasten your seat belts. It´s going to be a bumpy ride.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pros7767, 8/3/2014 12:47:33 PM     (No. 9951828)



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Reply 9 - Posted by: Pros7767, 8/3/2014 12:48:25 PM     (No. 9951829)

I can´t believe this is in the New York Times. It´s about time.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: cjohn2979, 8/3/2014 12:50:29 PM     (No. 9951834)

Retake the Senate and impeach him next spring.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: pineledger, 8/3/2014 1:11:14 PM     (No. 9951854)

I´m with 11.

And this is Germ Warfare.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: The Advocate, 8/3/2014 1:20:54 PM     (No. 9951864)

Note: this is in the NYT.
FTA "This is the tone of the media coverage right now: The president may get the occasional rebuke for impeachment-baiting, but what the White House wants to do on immigration is assumed to be reasonable, legitimate, within normal political bounds.
It is not: It would be lawless, reckless, a leap into the antidemocratic dark.
And an American political class that lets this Rubicon be crossed without demurral will deserve to live with the consequences for the republic, in what remains of this presidency and in presidencies yet to come."
He is speaking not just to Republicans but to Dems.
It was Republicans who led to Nixons Resignation-it must be Dems to get this criminal alien to resign.
Problem for Dems- do they want to anoint Biden who has just been shown to have " lost Iraq" and sexually assaulted Secret Service by swimming in Nude?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 8/3/2014 1:32:03 PM     (No. 9951875)

Can you believe that with all that´s going on in the world we´re being jerked around like this? Democrats and their media are the puppet masters in this farce. The "Stuck on Stupid" party and we "Don´t bother me; I´m busy earning a living" taxpayers are the pathetic puppets.

"As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide." --- America, Dinesh D´Souza. [We are not on course to "live through all time."]

Half of this country are Democrats. The other half pays the bills. Let´s get off our apathetic bums and save what´s left of the USA!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Previouslyon24, 8/3/2014 1:39:49 PM     (No. 9951885)

Of course there are ample legal, constitutional validations for impeachment, but an Obama-loving Senate would not convict. Ok, very sad but real. But the House controls the money, which if I´m not mistaken is the source of all the power in Washington DC. The House can pull that lever any time it wants and stop just about anything that requires funding, which is everything. I know, the Fed is a big elephant in the room as well, but federal government spending still must be approved by the House.


So, House, select those unconstitutional, executive actions and DEFUND them. Can someone tell me why not to do this?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: oh-heck, 8/3/2014 2:05:28 PM     (No. 9951934)

Immigration reform wasn´t a priority among everyday Americans. The flood of immigrants coming to our country and demanding food, lodging, immigration lawyers and medical care is rapidly becoming one of the top 5 issues. Particularly with the Ebola epidemic proving how easily diseases can spread. And last night Pfeifer went on national TV and declared that Obama doesn´t know what to do, but should get advice from his cabinet by late summer. This sounds like someone playing a game whose tactics aren´t working, not someone leading a nation.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 8/3/2014 2:21:12 PM     (No. 9951949)

All of the above surely got the economy and other bad stuff like the IRS off the front pages. Middle class is down asset wise at least 20% since Preezy Smidgen took office.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: JediJerry, 8/3/2014 2:24:17 PM     (No. 9951955)

It is clear that the GOP establishment RINOS are scared of King Putt and even more afraid of getting fried in the court of public opinion if O was impeached. So the solution is to get out of the way and let the Tea Party do the job. We aint afraid of nothing.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 8/3/2014 3:29:00 PM     (No. 9952008)

#15, would such selective de-funding be possible, given the way appropriations bills are structured? That is something we´d need to know.


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Reply 19 - Posted by: Quigley, 8/3/2014 4:00:30 PM     (No. 9952031)

Hard to believe the NYT would come done on the side of the Constitution.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: M2, 8/3/2014 4:29:23 PM     (No. 9952053)

This is the tone of the media coverage right now: The president may get the occasional rebuke for impeachment-baiting, but what the White House wants to do on immigration is assumed to be reasonable, legitimate, within normal political bounds.
It is not: It would be lawless, reckless, a leap into the antidemocratic dark.


This from the New York Times? Aren´t they cute, rubbing the sleepy dust out of their eyes? I Wonder what woke them up. The fear of disease in their own cities? The fear of crime in their elite, little neighborhoods? The fear of losing the next election?

Notice that nowhere in this article is mentioned what is good for America. The only thing mentioned is what is good for Obama and the Democrat Party. They paid lipservice to "presidential overreach" but there doesn´t seem to be mention about any of his other presidential overreaching.

Ah well. No matter. At least they are leaving the Dark Side slowly but surely. Does this mean they will ever get their minds right? No. But there does seem to be a light at the end of their journalistic tunnel.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: rsgonner, 8/3/2014 4:35:23 PM     (No. 9952056)

The "party of stupid" lost this one when they allowed obozo to remove the chair of GM. They behaved like an incompetent parent who allowed the three year old to run rampant because "he was so cute" and now have a sociopathic adolescent on their hands. The only thing worse than the republican leadership is the democrat leadership. Win the senate and presidency in next election cycles and then vote these bums out and replace them with the likes of Gowdy and Cruz.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: eoddad, 8/3/2014 5:42:56 PM     (No. 9952100)

In Novenmber, Once the Dem´s lose the Senate and more Congressional seats, Governorships and state legislatures and continues to move toward Zero Popularity polling it Will suddenly be the remaining Democrats in the senate that want to stop Obama´s abuse of the law before 2016.

So keep playing with Impeachment, things change in politics.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 8/3/2014 5:45:29 PM     (No. 9952101)

This rabble does not want to become American Citizens. They want to own the land without our laws and social mores.
They want the money we no longer have and believe we can be forced to find a way to enrich then while they remain idle.
Since they have no concept of how to form a vibrant nation or economy they think we as slaves will provide what they can´t.
That idea didn´t work too well with the Romans and it was back again to the dark ages.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: loveUSA, 8/3/2014 6:25:27 PM     (No. 9952130)

Obama: me, me, me, look at me. How come you didn´t remember my birthday? me, me, me. How sick!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Susannah, 8/3/2014 6:26:23 PM     (No. 9952131)

#10, #13, #20, and #21: Ross Douthat is the NY Times´s resident conservative. He writes regularly for the National Review.

#18: How do you suggest the Tea Party impeach and convict Obama right now? Remember that "convict" is the operative word.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Patchy groundfog, 8/3/2014 6:38:36 PM     (No. 9952141)

No, Ross - gridlock is good. It is also inevitable in a near-equal division of party ID.

Laws passed in haste are horrible laws. Exhibit A: Obamacare.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: O.G.´s Mom, 8/3/2014 8:28:41 PM     (No. 9952206)

Thank you poster #26. I kept asking who is this guy? I´m amazed that the NY Times allows this guy to write anything of substance and against Zero with their other resident "conservative" David Brooks, more interested in expounding on the crease in Zero´s pants. I noticed on the web this guy has been an op ed writer for the Times since 2009. Where has he been? This is an excellent piece that will be dismissed by most Times´ aficionados as the rantings of a racist conservative. Even so, it is refreshing to see this substantive argument made in the NY Times.



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Reply 28 - Posted by: strike3, 8/3/2014 9:36:10 PM     (No. 9952273)

Every time he reminds us that he has a pen and a phone we need to remind him of Mussolini. The worse it gets for us now, the higher the pole.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: smcchk, 8/3/2014 10:09:39 PM     (No. 9952289)

We are going to lose demographic war. Impeachment would be suicide. Time for governors to consider states´ rights and empower themselves.

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Obama: The Country Is Better
Off, People Just Don’t Feel It

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Washington Free Beacon, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 9/29/2014 10:10:27 AM     Post Reply
President Obama firmly believes the United States is better off now than when he took office, even though the American people cannot “feel” it. During an interview with 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Obama said, “the country is definitely better off than when I came into office.” “When I came into office, our economy was in crisis,” Obama said. The president then cited lower unemployment, private sector job growth, and deficit cuts as evidence of his administration’s success. “I can put my record against any leader around the world in terms of digging ourselves out of a terrible, almost unprecedented financial crisis,” Obama said. When

Obama has had accurate intelligence
about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012
election, says administration insider

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Daily Mail (UK), by David Martosko,    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 9/29/2014 5:45:29 PM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama´s intelligence briefings have provided him with specific information since before he won re-election in 2012 about the growing threat of the terror group now known alternatively as ISIS and ISIL, an administration insider told MailOnline on Monday. ´Unless someone very senior has been shredding the president´s daily briefings and telling him that the dog ate them, highly accurate predictions about ISIL have been showing up in the Oval Office since before the 2012 election,´(snip) ´Any time you´re hired by a boss to advise him about what to do in a high-stakes area, and he ignores you for

Rosie O´Donnell, Whoopi Goldberg
get in shouting match in front
of ´The View´ studio audience

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New York Daily News, by Don Kaplan    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 9/30/2014 5:43:43 AM     Post Reply
Well, that didn’t take long. Just two weeks into the new season of “The View,” co-hosts Rosie O’Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg tore into each other during a commercial break — in front of their stunned studio audience. The spat erupted Thursday after Goldberg interrupted O’Donnell to go to a commercial break before the mother of five was finished commenting in a “Hot Topic” discussion about spanking children on the ABC gabfest. O’Donnell refuses to wear an earpiece to stay in contact with producers while the live show is airing, so she had no clue it was time to stop talking.

California becomes first
state to ban plastic bags

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Associated Press, by Fenit Nirappil    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/30/2014 12:51:45 PM     Post Reply
Sacramento, Calif. - Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed legislation imposing the nation's first statewide ban on single-use plastic bags, driven to action by a buildup of litter and damage to aquatic ecosystems. A national coalition of plastic bag manufacturers immediately said it would seek a voter referendum to repeal the law, which is scheduled to take effect in July 2015. Under SB270, plastic bags will be phased out of large grocery stores starting next summer and convenience stores and pharmacies in 2016. The law allows grocers to charge a fee of at least 10 cents for using paper bags. State Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Los Angeles,

The Difference Between Winners and Whiners
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American Spectator, by David Catron    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 9/29/2014 4:59:22 AM     Post Reply
Democrats think conservatives in general, and Tea Partiers in particular, are stupid. Here’s how to reinforce that belief: Sit out the 2014 congressional elections because your favorite candidate lost his primary bid to an establishment Republican. If you live in Kansas, for example, you can suck your thumb while Democrat ringer Greg Orman beats Republican Senator Pat Roberts. If you’re a Kentucky conservative, you can stay home and b***h about Mitch while Alison “Rubberstamp” Grimes heads to Washington. If you’re in Mississippi, you can stay mad at Thad and allow Travis “no repeal” Childers to win. That’ll show those RINOs! It


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