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Could Barack Obama have
prevented the MH17 disaster?

Telegraph [UK], by Christopher Booker

Original Article

Posted By:Attercliffe, 7/27/2014 10:03:45 PM

The most alarming unanswered question over the shooting-down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 is so fearful to contemplate that it has scarcely even been asked. [Snip] When, in his statement 24 hours after the plane was downed, the President stoked speculation about the involvement of President Putin, did he deliberately obscure the fact that, days earlier, he had already learnt enough from his many intelligence sources to know that the 55 international airliners travelling every day along that flight path over eastern Ukraine faced the threat of precisely such a disaster? If so, why did the US authorities not make

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I respect Booker almost as much as Delingpole does and feel confident his sources are reliable. Note Booker´s credit to Richard North at the end of the piece.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: JediJerry, 7/27/2014 10:28:43 PM     (No. 9942512)

I thought this line quote was interesting:
"On June 29, several launchers were probably captured from those forces, in a non-operational state, by the pro-Russian rebels.".
Note a key word please: "...probably...".
Again they could have probably not been captured by pro-Russian rebels as well. It´s probably more likely than not that the Russians gave them to these so called rebels, or actually did the dirty deed themselves and letting things sort themselves out in the media speculation frenzie.

Could Obama have become a modern day Hercules and done something to prevent any of this? Probably more likely no. He is way to busy to take time away from fund raising, golf outings and lavish vacations. These other things have top priority on his things to do list. After all when his day starts at 1000am every day and the first thing on his agenda is lunch. He is obviously overloaded and really needs another vacation to re-energize and refocus his mind on doing the work of fundamentally destroying the world.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Hazymac, 7/27/2014 11:00:31 PM     (No. 9942538)

And no, Zero didn´t do anything to prevent the plane from getting shot down, although he could have closed down Ukrainian airspace days earlier if his head hadn´t been wedged so firmly between his glutes. He´s no Brian Boitano. No sirree.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: snakeoil, 7/28/2014 12:30:51 AM     (No. 9942578)

One problem is the time delay. ØDumbø doesn´t have a position on anything until his handlers decide what it is. Then it has to be programmed into his teleprompter. There is no there there. It should have been the airline that should have decided not to fly over war zones. It not necessary to get political hacks involved.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 7/28/2014 12:51:35 AM     (No. 9942587)

"Intelligence" is worthless unless it is used intelligently. Was Obama´s notorious cavalier attitude toward his daily intelligence briefings to blame, or was it something else?

Consider this: our "intelligence" services are a government organization; why would we not expect them to be as inept? Let´s look at a few terrorist cases:
* Shoe Bomber - Thwarted by an alert passenger who tackled Richard Reed.
* Underwear Bomber - Thwarted because he peed in his pants (and was tackled by an alert passenger).
* Boston Marathon - not thwarted, partially due to a misspelled name
* 9/11 - "Intelligence" agencies were taken by surprise.

Are we getting our money´s worth?

And speaking of money, this from the article, "But for various reasons, not least the sizeable income Ukraine would have lost from the airlines making 350 flights a day across the country as a whole, they did nothing."
Those passengers died not only from incompetence, but also from greed.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 7/28/2014 2:54:18 AM     (No. 9942645)

Could Obama HAVE prevented the ----- .Who gave him authority to decide A foreign nation´s decisions. He is only an elected lying official of the USA not the world.



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Reply 6 - Posted by: shamus, 7/28/2014 6:51:43 AM     (No. 9942723)

Obama was busy golfing.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: jinx, 7/28/2014 7:27:36 AM     (No. 9942758)

He knows nothing until he reads it in the newspaper. Valerie should have known.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: knarfski, 7/28/2014 7:59:01 AM     (No. 9942786)

The world is learning that Obama-talk is weak and deceitful, except when it comes to fund raising and pleasing staunch supporters.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: uno, 7/28/2014 8:13:49 AM     (No. 9942794)

This Dip-Stick and his sycophantic State department couldn´t even move people out of the Benghazi embassy when Al-Qaeda moved in next door! What did anyone expect him to do here???

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Reply 10 - Posted by: stryker714, 7/28/2014 8:29:57 AM     (No. 9942807)

It was so obvious when Obama first spoke on the shoot-down that he had no idea what position to take, what to say until he got back to his equivalent of the bat cave for the cabal/Jarrett to tell him what to say.

No way Obama can do anything pro-active, he can´t anticipate anything in advance and any problem encountered is already, "fully engulfed" before he even bats an eyelash.

No one has mentioned the fact the shoot-down could have actually been intentional: It was carrying AIDS researchers and we know how Putin is about the gay life-style. Obama, being the passive aggressive twit he is, sent Putin an all-gay US delegation to the Olympics to stick his finger in Putin´s eye.
So maybe Putin is passive-aggresive as well.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: M2, 7/28/2014 8:31:19 AM     (No. 9942809)

On the one hand, Obama says he never learns anything new from the news.

On the other hand, everything he says he found out is on the internet or the news.

Of course, the truth is that he is deliberately disengaged from anything remotely similar to work and decision-making. Those things are being done by the faceless people who got him elected.

Our POTUS is not simply AWOL. He is criminally AWOL, avoiding all the duties of his presidency and embracing all the pleasures of the leisure class -- when he isn´t fundraising, fist-bumping with celebrities, or noshing at the local photo-op at Canter´s deli in Los Angeles.

Obama is a money-making machine. The question remains to this day -- the question we keep asking and getting no answers to: Who is running this country?

If Obama could have prevent the air disaster and didn´t, as it appears may have happened, doesn´t this increase his death list -- the number of people who have died because of his inaction, disengagement or outright venality, such as the VA hospital mess?

Thank God He sees all of this and is noting well the actions of this hiss-poor pol.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: strike3, 7/28/2014 8:39:56 AM     (No. 9942823)

"Obama" and "disaster" go together like peanut butter and jelly. He couldn´t prevent a fly from landing on his nose but his disasters number in the hundreds. I still think his coven had something to do with the BP oil well in the Gulf. They call it Black Ops for a reason.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Jebediah, 7/28/2014 8:51:39 AM     (No. 9942838)

And of course the non-covered story is Hillary Clinton, purveyor of the ReSet button and all out for taking out missile defense in threatened countries, now, unchallenged, stating that SHE never trusted Putin.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: fed-up, 7/28/2014 9:06:29 AM     (No. 9942864)

While I am certainly not one to think Obama is doing his job, I don´t think it is our responsibility to halt another country´s airline from flying over another country.

What is more worrisome is that even the "Telegraph" reporting this thought, shows how much the world looks to the US to save them. Don´t they know, we can´t even save ourselves anymore! We may have "intelligence" but what is done with it is anyone´s guess.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 7/28/2014 9:24:29 AM     (No. 9942892)

I can´t help myself - I always look back to history when events seem like a replay of the past - only the actors have changed. Could this downing of MH17 be a 21st century Lusitania/Woodrow Wilson replay? I loved the Teddy Roosevelt analysis.

The following is from The Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History
http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/world-war-i/resources/theodore-roosevelt-sinking-lusitania-1915

On May 7, 1915, the British passenger ship Lusitania, sailing from New York to Liverpool, was torpedoed by a German U-boat. The Lusitania sank, killing 1,195 people on board, including 123 Americans. The incident created sharp reactions among Americans, many of whom believed that the United States should inflict an immediate reprisal upon Germany. President Woodrow Wilson, however, took a cautious approach to responding to the attack, demanding from Germany an apology, compensation for American victims, and a pledge to discontinue unannounced submarine warfare.

Former President Theodore Roosevelt disagreed with Wilson’s diplomatic response to the sinking of the Lusitania. Roosevelt believed that the attack warranted a military reprisal and that the United States had little choice but to enter the war. In June 1915, Roosevelt wrote to an aquaintance criticizing Wilson’s handling of the incident, writing, “If Lincoln had acted after the firing of Sumter in the way that Wilson did about the sinking of[on] the Lusitania, in one month the North would have been saying they were so glad he kept them out of the war.” Criticizing both the government’s response and the American peoples’ apathy over the attack, Roosevelt wrote that he was “pretty well disgusted with our government and with the way our people acquiesce in and support it.”


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Reply 16 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 7/28/2014 9:41:20 AM     (No. 9942916)



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Reply 17 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/28/2014 10:01:34 AM     (No. 9942952)

Don´t Get Played

Our own White House downed that plane. Through cut outs and agents of influence. Can´t you see? Media manipulation and psych warfare principles.

Ongoing war over natural gas import/export. NATO. Circles of Influence. BRICs. Cial mining holdings by MetInvest. And this Administration´s love of kinning people remotely ..

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 7/28/2014 10:21:15 AM     (No. 9942982)

One of the comments following the article provided this link to the FAA NOTAM prohibiting US carriers from flying over the conflict area: http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/ifim/us_restrictions/media/2014_0214_04-29_final_fdc_notam4-7667_ukraine_sfar.pdf

The NOTAM was issued on April 23, 2014. These things are not secret. Give the FAA credit for doing something right. If other governments and carriers choose to continue to fly over the area, then they´re the ones to hold to account.


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Reply 19 - Posted by: tusker, 7/28/2014 5:38:07 PM     (No. 9943579)

Bow-Boy could not have prevented the shoot down because Bow-Boy is responsible for the shoot down.

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American Thinker, by Lauri B Regan    Original Article
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The anti-war president has finally found a way to wag the dog without upsetting his liberal base and war-weary electorate. Despite the beheading of two Americans, establishment of an Islamic caliphate, direct threats to the U.S. homeland, and the destabilization of the entire Middle East, Obama refuses to acknowledge that we are at war with barbaric Islamic jihadists. And he refuses to authorize the requisite boots on the ground. However, Obama just discovered his pre-midterm election method of wagging the dog -- distracting from his incompetent and dangerous response (or lack thereof) to the real threats to America’s national security

   

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