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Victorian diseases have come
back to haunt us

Telegraph (UK), by Laura Donnelly

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Posted By:toledo, 7/24/2014 9:07:24 AM

Diseases which were rife in the Victorian era are making a comeback, according to official figures. NHS statistics disclose that the number of cases of gout and scarlet fever have almost doubled within five years, with a rise in other illnesses such as scurvy, cholera, whooping cough and malnutrition. In 2013/14, more than 86,000 hospital admissions involved patients who were diagnosed with gout – an increase of 78 per cent in five years, and of 16 per cent on the year before. The painful condition, linked to over-indulgence in rich foods and alcohol, and associated with wealthy historical figures, was most common among


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Toledo, 7/24/2014 9:10:55 AM     (No. 9937904)

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Udanja99, 7/24/2014 9:13:55 AM     (No. 9937908)

Ah, the joys of socialized medicine and unlimited third world immigration!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Susannah, 7/24/2014 9:13:59 AM     (No. 9937909)

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The doctor´s comment about cholera being imported from elsewhere was one of the most telling in the article.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: IowaDad, 7/24/2014 9:15:53 AM     (No. 9937914)

Just a load of inflammatory garbage. Disease rates are vastly below any prior era.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/24/2014 9:23:50 AM     (No. 9937925)

This is in the UK. The report is from their NHS, National Health Service. An interesting mix of conditions. Some infectious diseases, some due to lifestyle, some coming from nursing home neglect.

The only persons I have ever known who had gout were English. Here´s what our Mayo Clinic has to say about it:

Gout occurs when urate crystals accumulate in your joint, causing the inflammation and intense pain of a gout attack. Urate crystals can form when you have high levels of uric acid in your blood. Your body produces uric acid when it breaks down purines — substances that are found naturally in your body, as well as in certain foods, such as organ meats, anchovies, herring, asparagus and mushrooms.

Brits are very big on organ meats. And kippered herring. Interesting.

If the kidneys aren´t working properly, managing uric acid, one could get gout.

Scarlet fever is bacterial, a follow on to untreated strep throat. Antibiotics usually take care of it.

Measles? It seems the Brits fell under the anti-vaccine voodoo of that corrupt physician who was discredited. Now that they have resumed vaccinations, the article says the cases are diminishing.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/24/2014 9:28:07 AM     (No. 9937935)

About cholera:

Because more than a million cholera bacteria — approximately the amount you´d find in a glass of contaminated water — are needed to cause illness, cholera usually isn´t transmitted through casual person-to-person contact.

Much more on cholera here:


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Reply 7 - Posted by: flowerladytoo, 7/24/2014 9:50:24 AM     (No. 9937977)

They don´t mention something important about the Scarlet Fever epidemic. They brought it on themselves!! I have a couple friends in the UK, two different areas. Both have children, both have had their children hospitalized with scarlet fever in the last year. HOSPITALIZED!! The reason is the tendency of their doctors to call everything viral, and refuse treatment. They don´t do throat cultures when they see nasty infected throats. They send them home with a dx of a virus. That´s how so many cases have been allowed to get to this point. Even though it´s not mentioned, I bet they have cases of rheumatic fever too, unheard of here in the US, anymore (at least for now), but most likely not so uncommon in the UK, anymore. And this type of medical *care* is coming here to the US, and is already here in some areas....plus all this garbage coming over the boarder. We are all in deep trouble :-(

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Reply 8 - Posted by: athina, 7/24/2014 10:02:06 AM     (No. 9937999)

My daughter had scarlet fever when she was a toddler. I was quite surprised, thinking it was some outdated disease, but it is caused by strep, and in her case - she had several instances in which she was treated for strep but it would recur almost immediately. One of those recurrences was as scarlet fever. Finally she saw a doctor who suggested that she was being given the antibiotic ´too soon´, before the symptoms had fully manifested, and so the germs were never completely annihilated with the ten day antiobiotic and it would come right back.. What would happen is that one of my other kids would have strep, so they would all get tested and she would test positive, with the throat swab, even though she showed no symptoms. So they would start her on the antibiotic and it would inevitably come back two weeks later. FYI to those of you with many children!!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 7/24/2014 11:53:04 AM     (No. 9938210)

I´ve got me some gout right now, actually. Ouch. It´s maybe 50% diet related and 50% genetic predisposition. Although it can be exceedingly painful, I´m not sure how often it should lead to hospitalization, never for me. I think everything else on their list is communicable. Yes, gout could likely covary with obesity. I could lose maybe fifteen pounds, but I´m not nearly obese, and wasn´t in need of losing any weight the first time I had an attack ... but I´d never even heard of gout and was living on a couple of foods that are high on the bad list. I´ve cleaned up my diet since then - but still get an attack every couple of years, and most often around June. And I´m not even British.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 7/24/2014 1:03:06 PM     (No. 9938306)

Mr A has gout and so does his father, even though their diets are different. We didn´t serve much beef at our table but I have to admit to lots of succulent, purines-laden fresh seafood in New Orleans. We never had organ meats and most Britons have gone on to better foods now that there are no world war lend-lease payments to be made.

And then there´s alcohol. Red wine is a huge culprit. But A´s gout emerged when he had just about created the perfect recipe for home-brewed India Pale Ale. Nowadays, I watch his food intake and allow him a pale ale every few weeks. Maybe. A rarely has an attack these days and not nearly as excruciatingly painful as they were initially--often compared to needles in joints, usually the big toe but not always. It´s a form of arthritis. Read the British version: at http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-leaflet

I contracted scarlet fever well over 60 years ago and spent six weeks in a Victorian isolation hospital called Lodge Moor on the edge of Wuthering Heights-type moors in Yorkshire. I must have had complications--or antibiotics weren´t generally available at the time, I don´t know. It was traumatic--all my dolls, other toys, books and clothes were burned. My parents could visit only by sitting on the other side of a window, much like prisoners receive their visitors. I was actually diagnosed with scarlatina three times after that, each time less severe than the previous bout, until it disappeared.

Just came across this post at a genealogy site and it represents exactly how I felt at Lodge Moor and the trauma it left. I was there close to the time the writer had his experience. Ugh!


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