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Anderson Cooper: ´TWA
Flight 800 Was Shot Down´

American Thinker, by Jack Cashill

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Posted By:magnante, 7/22/2014 6:18:54 AM

Some truths CNN reveals only accidentally. One such truth Anderson Cooper shared on the night of July 17. In speaking about the shoot down of Malaysian airliner MH 17 earlier that day, Cooper referred back to “July 17, 1996, when TWA Flight 800 was shot down off the coast of Long Island in New York.” (snip)wo days earlier, Cooper hosted a CNN special report on the subject, “Witnessed: The Crash of TWA Flight 800.” To understand the depth of media-government complicity, it is useful to compare “Witnessed” with two prior videos. One is the ironically titled, “No Survivors: Why TWA 800

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 7/22/2014 6:23:38 AM     (No. 9934792)

Of course, everyone knows TWA Flght 800 Was Shot Down. Did you know that 15 minutes can save you 15% on your car insurance?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BirdsNest, 7/22/2014 6:33:24 AM     (No. 9934797)

Was Anderson Cooper an INFANT when Flight 800 was shot down? It was glaringly obvious. The Clinton White House went into overdrive on spin for that one.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Catherine, 7/22/2014 6:38:58 AM     (No. 9934799)

I read Nelsen DeMille books and in one of them he interviewed many people with military education. Of course this was a book of fiction and he did not give the names of those, in real life, he interviewed. But they all said it was shot down. "This way is up...."

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Janjan, 7/22/2014 6:54:54 AM     (No. 9934815)

The collusion between the lying media and the lying government make it very difficult to ever get to the truth about anything. Mission accomplished.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/22/2014 7:02:42 AM     (No. 9934821)

Excellent article examining the ironies compared to the MH 17 Shoot down. When you are lying it is much harder to keep your story straight!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: govlawyer, 7/22/2014 7:25:44 AM     (No. 9934846)

I live on the East End of Long Island, was in law enforcement at the time and have more than a passing acquaintance with a few people whose names have been linked in some respect to the investigation. I also worked with a detective who was travelling as a passenger in a vehicle and who was familiar with anti-aircraft missiles, who saw what he said clearly was a missile streaking in the sky.
Back in 1988, the USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air passenger flight, mistaking it for a military plane.
I´ve always said, since day one, that TWA 800 was payback by the Iranians and that Clinton kept quiet for a variety of reasons, including the reason that if it got out that our passenger aircraft were that vulnerable, aviation as an industry in this country would have collapsed out of passenger fear.
When enough people I respect with military experience have said it was a missile, I don´t question their eyesight or conclusion.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FleetUSA, 7/22/2014 7:26:24 AM     (No. 9934848)

#2 is right on target. It would have been news which would be disastrous to the Clinton WH. He would have to man up and not just put a missile in some pill factory.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/22/2014 7:26:37 AM     (No. 9934849)

Even one of my advancing years can interpret the white light ‘zig zagged’ as it traveled upwards to mean Heat Seeking Missile. Duh.

Cooper is a shill for whatever liberal putz is ahead of him in line to be the next liberal leader. Or this one. Use No Hooks.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Loretta, 7/22/2014 7:27:51 AM     (No. 9934852)

Nelson DeMille book Nightfall

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Reply 10 - Posted by: maryann4629, 7/22/2014 7:29:36 AM     (No. 9934854)

The biggest question, of course, is that if it was a missile strike by a terrorist group, why did none ever take credit for it? Since the point of terrorism is to terrorize, such a group would want the American public to know that we are vulnerable to them.




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Reply 11 - Posted by: bpl40, 7/22/2014 7:31:43 AM     (No. 9934856)

It might be interesting to re-examine the passenger manifest of TWA 800. WHO was on board? Could be another case of Arkanside.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jerseytomato, 7/22/2014 7:40:18 AM     (No. 9934867)

A friend of mine is an FBI agent. He was at Moriches Bay interviewing witnesses after the Flight 800 crash. He said that witnesses all had the same story - they saw a missile streaking up towards the plane. He said the ´witnesses´ lived miles apart, and didn´t know each other.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: strike3, 7/22/2014 7:42:09 AM     (No. 9934870)

The obama regime has proven its willingness to pass out sophisticated weapons to terrorist groups around the world so we can expect more of the same. Now would be a good time to stop flying, if you haven´t already. It´s not safe and the TSA is just another source of low talent government union jobs.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Rinktum, 7/22/2014 7:43:09 AM     (No. 9934872)

The collusion of government and the media is a deadly weapon when wielded by people who have someone they wish to protect. That has been hammered home to us by the actions of conscienceless political hacks and their media stooges these past few years. Frankly, I don´t trust anything our government tells us to be the truth. Corruption with a means to an end philosophy runs rampant. I love my country but fear my government.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: DaddyO, 7/22/2014 7:44:54 AM     (No. 9934879)

When the CIA released a computer animation of the ´center fuel tank explosion´, I knew it was a missile.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: K620, 7/22/2014 7:52:59 AM     (No. 9934888)

I watched "TWA Flight 800" on Netflix last week. It´s about 90 minutes long but compelling. (Unfortunately, you´ll lose a whole lot of faith in your government if you watch it.)

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Reply 17 - Posted by: lifelonghuman, 7/22/2014 8:07:27 AM     (No. 9934907)

Wouldn´t a heat seeking missile have hit one of the wing engines? Anyway, I prefer the missile theory to the one about planes just blowing up every now and then.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: varkdriver, 7/22/2014 8:23:06 AM     (No. 9934929)

It always struck me as odd that, despite all the many millions of airmiles flown by the 747 over the decades, this particular catastrophic center fuel tank detonation never happened before or since [as far as I know]? The 747, affectionately referred to as "The Whale" by her pilots, is one of, if not THE safest aircraft ever flown.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: web, 7/22/2014 8:27:04 AM     (No. 9934936)

Hey, who ya gonna believe? Your lying eyes, or the Clintons, the FBI, and the CIA? We still don´t know what happened. Could have been terrorists, or the Navy had a computer glitch. But one thing we do know. B.J. ordered that it be covered up. They think we are all idiots and can be fooled that easily. A fuel tank explosion? Then why were not all jet planes of that model recalled for inspection and a fix? Why was the FBI even involved, if it was an accident? Whats maddening is that innocent people were prosecuted (as in Travelgate), while the Clintons are still walking around free.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Axeman, 7/22/2014 8:31:13 AM     (No. 9934943)

Radar seeking missiles explode a few feet away from center mass.
What difference, at this point, does it make?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Udanja99, 7/22/2014 8:31:42 AM     (No. 9934944)

1996 was a presidential election year - that´s all we need to know about why Clinton covered everything up. For Clinton, the final shoe dropped on September 11, 2001.

And then there was Benghazi.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: gasmeterguy, 7/22/2014 8:34:43 AM     (No. 9934948)

I have a question.

Kerosene is the fuel of these airplanes. Does kerosene, like gasoline, explode?

My experience has been that a wick is needed to burn kerosene. Perhaps someone could do an experiment and show us how kerosene can "explode".

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Reply 23 - Posted by: frew, 7/22/2014 8:45:08 AM     (No. 9934963)

I was able to validate the zoom climb theory to my own satisfaction using a toy airplane. Take weight off of the front of the plane so that the center of gravity shifts behind the wings and the plane will automatically climb straight up until it runs out of momentum. The idea that this couldn´t happen is misinformation. The article is full of misinformation.

I suppose it´s indicative of the low trust in government we have these days that people refuse to believe the results of a painstaking investigation that took years.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: NancyD, 7/22/2014 8:46:14 AM     (No. 9934965)

I´ve long been interested in TWA 800. When the flight was shot down, Brian Williams was on MSNBC (the network had just gone on air) and he said by all reports, it was shot down.

In reports from witnesses, a USAir pilot saw what happened, he said it was a missile, a helicopter pilot who was a former Air Force pilot saw what happened and he said it was a missile.

I would believe just those two pilots over any Gov´t official.

In the Epix Documentary on TWA 800 said that the FBI and Secret Service took over the investigation from the NTSB and blocked them numerous times. The NTSB agents set up hidden cameras in the hanger that held the gathers plane parts and they caught FBI agents changing the tags on the wreckage in the middle of the night!

Cover up. Big Time.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 7/22/2014 8:47:16 AM     (No. 9934967)

Kerosene will explode in flames if aerosolized. An explosion from a missile woud disperse the fuel, giving a massive increase in surface area and promoting burning. This is also seen in coal dust and grain silo explosions.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: NancyD, 7/22/2014 8:55:43 AM     (No. 9934978)

#23 Go to TWA800.com and read, read, read.

That website wasn´t created by a bunch yahoo´s, it was created by Pilots, retired law enforcement and other experts.

Then watch the Epix film.

There is a reason why I don´t believe the Gov´t account of what happened to TWA 800.

There are 100´s of witnesses who all saw the same thing and were dismissed by the Gov´t as crazies.

The Olympics in Atlanta were just about to start when this attack happened. Clinton didn´t want this attack to jeopardize the Olympics and scare countries into not sending their athletes.



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Reply 27 - Posted by: galbaccr, 7/22/2014 9:16:19 AM     (No. 9935013)

For #22 - the most common example of kerosene exploding is in the millions of diesel engines in use. In fact, it explodes spontaneously in those engines, because it is both atomized (sprayed) into the cylinders, which are super-heated by extreme compression. There used to also be kerosene torches (sold by Sears, among others) that could be used to kill weeds or melt ice on pavement. Those torches simply atomized the kerosene, which mixed with air and then was lit and continued to burn.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: TigerLilly, 7/22/2014 9:21:33 AM     (No. 9935022)

We watched the news the night TWA 800 went down and knew immediately it was shot down. Given today´s Facebook style, tell all mentality quest for fame, where are the people involved who know inside details of this and other "conspiracies" and why haven´t they spilled the beans so to speak, either forthrightly or while under the influence or even sold what they know? It is hard to keep a secret and after so long, people start telling things despite the confidentiality agreements or death threats. The truth is out there.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Clinger, 7/22/2014 9:24:44 AM     (No. 9935028)

The Iranian payback theory would be consistent with the lack of any claim of responsibility.

Remember the hallmark of the Clinton response to Middle Eastern threats was to hide. The 1993 bombing of the WTC should have been a call to action. Someone holds a gun to your child´s head, pulls the trigger; how different is your response if the gun jams vs. discharges? That´s the difference between 1993 and 2001. We know any appropriate response would come with a price. Clinton stalled so someone else would pay that price at an ever increasing cost with every day of delay. Wait for the grownups to clean up the mess then complain about how they did it.

How difficult then is it to presume that Clinton responded to other threats in precisely the same manner? TW800, OKC...

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Reply 30 - Posted by: controlfreak, 7/22/2014 9:24:51 AM     (No. 9935029)

I too wondered why, if this were a terrorist attack, they did not claim responsibility. Then I decided it was one of our own missiles.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: volksford, 7/22/2014 9:57:27 AM     (No. 9935098)

Revenge is a dish best served cold..I believe #6 has hit the nail on the head. Iranian payback.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 7/22/2014 10:04:16 AM     (No. 9935112)

Pierre Salinger (Kennedy Pressy) went to the wall on this one and paid dearly for telling the truth.

.....If I recall.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 7/22/2014 10:06:27 AM     (No. 9935118)

#3 I read DeMille´s book Night Fall which is fiction with a lot probable fact included, and Jack Cashill´s book First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America which is non-fiction.

Both of these books are exceptionally good reads which really do enlighten the reader about the downing of TWA800. I hope both DeMille and Cashill have one or two more books like the ones above in mind to write about current happenings. Both writers seem quite adept at shining the light of truth on events that some in our government try to hide.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: save America, 7/22/2014 10:18:06 AM     (No. 9935140)

Jacks book says it all.There was a shootdown and a coverup.The coverup came from the Clinton White House.All the loyal players were rewarded. George S got a tv show.The FBI guy works at a credit card company, AL gore is now a rich climate change guru,Bill was reelected and Hillary is now ready for her turn. Benghazi was not her first coverup.Or last.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 7/22/2014 10:20:35 AM     (No. 9935145)

All it took was a Russian missle launcher and a fishing trawler. This occured when Saddam was clearly backing terrorism on a grand scale. I always figured GWBush had yet another reason for cleansing the human gene pool of that scum.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: previouslyon24, 7/22/2014 10:33:35 AM     (No. 9935182)

Read Admiral Thomas H. Moorer´s (USN) letter about this entire story and his clear doubts about the government´s conclusions here: http://twa800.com/letters/moorer.pdf

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Reply 37 - Posted by: mc squared, 7/22/2014 10:34:43 AM     (No. 9935186)

It was only 3 short years after the first Trade Center bombing and the ´Blind Sheik´ taken to jail. Circumstantial but Islam was already at war with us.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: nevernaught, 7/22/2014 10:35:19 AM     (No. 9935187)

Pierre Salinger maintained for years that Flight 800 was shot down by a missile and said he had the evidence to prove his assertion. My wife and I were at JFK one time waiting for a flight and he was sitting across from us waiting for another flight. He looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. I expect he had a lot of people leaning on him.

During WW2 there was gas rationing, and you were issued coupons to buy gas. Kerosene and Cleaning Solvent would burn in those low compression cars built in that era, and you could go to any service station and buy either without coupons.

Trouble was, neither fluid was as volatile as gasoline, and you needed gasoline to start the engine. What you did was squirt gasoline in the carburetor and once started it would continue to run. Yes, jet fuel will explode when it has the right ignition source.

I still believe that Flight 800 was shot down.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 7/22/2014 10:53:47 AM     (No. 9935226)

#17, anymore nowadays a heat seeking missile gets within proximity of the target and explodes, sending shrapnel into the entire aircraft, thereby increasing the liklehood of a major system disruption, or airframe damage leading to catastrophic failure. The center of infra-red signature on a Boeing 747 would be between the 4 engines, which is the fuel tank. This would be one reason the fuel tank ruptured and the aircraft broke in half.

I also strongly recommend the show currently running on Netflix.

The "tests" set up by the NTSB at Boeing were largely falisified beond natural law to create an explosion. If the Boeing 747 were so inherently unsafe, why did the Secret Service allow Bill Clinton to board Air Force One until fixed? No Nitrogen purge systems had been built, much less certified, and would take years to develop.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: The Advocate, 7/22/2014 10:56:56 AM     (No. 9935235)

Re 11
Flight 800 had many Eqyptian soldiers who had been here for training and cooperation.
Iran and Muslum Brotherhood would both have had reason to not want them to return.
President Sisi and Bibi are both fighting terrorist Hamas and Iran still.
MB is within WH.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: save America, 7/22/2014 10:57:12 AM     (No. 9935237)

We were at Jones Beach on Long Island that afternoon. There were already navy battleships patrolling the water at that time. Never were seen off Jones Beach before.Of course we knew nothing of a shoot down that would take place 6 hours later. What was the Navy looking for? We went to Jones Beach thousands of times. We never saw a battleship so close to the shore. Something was up.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Chris in FL, 7/22/2014 11:15:01 AM     (No. 9935273)

Don´t forget about the Oklahoma City bombing and John Doe #2 who was described by witnesses as a man of mid-eastern descent. He played prominently in the hours leading up to this ´home grown´ terror attack and then ´they´ just quit talking abut him or loking for him. By sheer coincidence Mohammed Attah was purported to be in the area at that time.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Dignitary Protection, 7/22/2014 11:18:42 AM     (No. 9935285)

A friend of mine, a Portland Oregon police detective named Sue Hill was on that flight. Here is a list of the passengers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/twa800/list01.htm

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Reply 44 - Posted by: NotaBene, 7/22/2014 11:30:31 AM     (No. 9935316)

The blue ribbon commission thar covered up TWA 800 was headed by Al Gore. Clinton really wanted this crime silenced.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: afherkdriver, 7/22/2014 11:40:40 AM     (No. 9935333)

I am a retired airline pilot. After retirement I worked in flight simulators instructing and evaluating pilots. The FAA showed up to evaluate from time to time. The inspector I had that evening knew I had a lot of experience as well as extensive military time. While we were having coffee late one night he brought up TWA 800 out of the blue. He started to expound on the fuel tank theory. I told him I didn´t believe a word of it. He dropped the subject but I had the impression that he was directed to put out that theory. I don´t think he believed it either.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: jglas, 7/22/2014 12:08:42 PM     (No. 9935387)

If it was a terrorist attack they could not have covered it up for fear it would be repeated and/or that the terrorists would take credit for it. Since they did cover it up they must have known it would not happen again (and it hasn´t). That implies it was either an accident by one of our own military units or an attack by someone who was apprehended (who wasn´t a terrorist . . . e.g. maybe a Goldfinger style extortionist or crazy person). Another possibility is that it was done on purpose by the the same people covering it up but that seems highly unlikely if for no other reason than it would be much easier for them to dispose of anyone needing disposal by more discrete methods).

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Reply 47 - Posted by: maryann4629, 7/22/2014 1:18:44 PM     (No. 9935478)

I have a friend who is a retired Navy LC, and at the time I asked about the possibility of it being an accidental shooting by our own Navy, which was one of the theories. He explained the process that needed to be completed before a missile could be fired, and pretty much convinced me that it could not have been an accident.

There is no reason, whatsoever, to believe that our own military would attack a passenger plane. And no reason to cover up an attack by a foreign nation.

That leaves terrorism, or the official explanation. Frankly, as I stated in my response upthread, I can´t believe terrorists wouldn´t have been loudly proclaiming a successful attack; so, that leaves the official explanation.

As Sherlock Holmes said, ". . . When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

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Reply 48 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/22/2014 1:32:48 PM     (No. 9935494)

Well #18 that is why there was never any order to inert all the fuel tanks on airliners ( which was proposed ) because it would cost big $$$$ and the investigators knew that was not the real cause!

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Zumkopf, 7/22/2014 1:33:45 PM     (No. 9935497)

I don´t have any knowledge one way or the other on what mechanism destroyed TWA 800. But in response to the "it can´t be terrorism because nobody claimed it," there is a simple response: sure it could. The USS Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner several years before TWA 800 went down. It could be sheer revenge and/or a cold blooded warning by Iran. And if it was, the message that it was could never be transmitted publicly -- even Iran couldn´t withstand the outcry from intentionally shooting down a passenger jet. But a secret message delivered to the Clinton White House -- "Yeah, revenge is a dish best supped cold, and by the way, we can reach out and get your folks any time we want, so don´t screw with us" -- would never have been made public by Clinton; the pressure to react militarily would have been overwhelming.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: jglas, 7/22/2014 2:12:42 PM     (No. 9935535)

That´s a good explanation #50, that or something similar . . . who knows what nation might be seeking revenge for whatever. Such revenge seeking nations would have to pick their presidents carefully . . . try it on Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush and they´d have a war on their hands. A Russia or a China would have a much better chance of getting away with it but are less likely to feel the need to play such games. Iran just might.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: thelmalou, 7/22/2014 2:13:18 PM     (No. 9935536)

First and foremost, I do hereby acknowledge that my response is weenie on account of post #1 is the post of the week. Well done.

Second, as long as we´re sharing anectodal stuff, my 2nd cousin is a retired Boeing engineer. He and all his friends say it was shot down.


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Reply 52 - Posted by: Butch59, 7/22/2014 2:15:00 PM     (No. 9935540)

My 2 cents worth. I spent most of my adult life working on aircraft or around them for one reason or another. I even spent a few years working at the AF Academy. I was in charge of the propulsion branch. Every cadet that went through that school had to come into my classrooms for core courses. So I have a bit of knowledge about aircraft. Now, to start, there is NO WAY that ANY manufacturer of aircraft is going to run live electrical wired through or around any fuel tank. Period. And the fuel measuring systems are in reality nothing more that a capacitor (definition: two conductors separated by a dielectric). The fuel is the dielectric which changes the capacity, in farads, of the fuel probe. This change is then converted into something that can display the amount of fuel in the tank. And the IS NEVER any live electricity in or around the fuel tank.

Next, is the nose of the aircraft was blown off by an explosion, there is not a chance that it can continue to climb a additional 4 THOUSAND FEET (from 13,000 to 17,000). The aircraft had just taken off and was in it´s climb attitude to reach it´s cruise altitude. As such, even with max power from the engines, it couldn´t possible continue upward in that configuration. Add to that the enormous amount of drag that would have been exerted on the A/C and you have the impossible situation I have described. My take on the is that the A/C was shot down.





























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Reply 53 - Posted by: harper, 7/22/2014 2:42:09 PM     (No. 9935565)

If the Democrats and Iranians worked so well together over 880, maybe that is why they seem so well in synch working both on Iraq and Iran´s nuclear program.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: harper, 7/22/2014 2:43:58 PM     (No. 9935569)

...oops. Make that 800

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Reply 55 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 7/22/2014 3:39:57 PM     (No. 9935674)

I enjoyed reading all your information. Thanks much. I read a novel that had two people laying on a blanket on a beach and saw the missile going up and hitting the plane and I just knew they were talking about the 800. FBI visiting the motel where they were staying. Can´t remember much more. Very interesting that the FBI were found to be messing with the pieces in the warehouse. I think our FBI has gone over to the dark side, along with the CIA. Not our friends.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: Woodiedg, 7/22/2014 4:15:20 PM     (No. 9935725)

TWA 800 shot down by the US Navy doing exercises at the time. Covered up by government as Clinton did not want the negative publicity and Feds did not want the lawsuits. Check the Navy logs at the time and see if they were playing War Games.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 7/22/2014 5:24:52 PM     (No. 9935839)

#40, you´re getting TWA 800 confused with the EgyptAir flight in which the co-pilot hollered Alahu Akhbar and qucikly pitched the plane down and into the drink.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: Moonspinner, 7/22/2014 6:34:35 PM     (No. 9935911)

Of course it was shot down. Too many witnesses that day said they saw a trail of fire from ground/water go up toward the aircraft (a missile) and then the aircraft exploded. It is the government and their propaganda wing, the media, who have continued the lie that it was a fuel tank accident. This is the one thing in which Rush Limbaugh and I disagree. When this happened, because he personally knew the FBI lead investigator, that investigator told Rush it was not a missile that brought the airplane down and the official story of a fuel tank problem is what happened. Rush bought that story hook, line and sinker. Just goes to show even Rush can be fooled.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: seminolesecure, 7/22/2014 7:22:52 PM     (No. 9935954)

posted several times in the past decade by me:

A friend grew up om LI next to Fire Island. 3 childhood friends still live there. They stated a trail was clearly visible to aircraft. Serious. Sober guy. Just passing it on.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 7/22/2014 8:48:05 PM     (No. 9936046)

I believe #57 is closer to the truth. It was a total screw up by the U.S. government and therefore the whole government has been forced to sustain the lie. Another lie was the Gander NewFoundland crash that led to the Reagan bombing of Libya. He did not do that just for a night club bomb. The official explanation for the NF crash with a few hundred U.S. Servicemen and women on board was given as wing icing...a totally ridiculous explanation for a modern jetliner. But, that explanation along with anew one of windshear is the official explanation to this very day and you will never prove otherwise.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: BorninOKC, 7/22/2014 10:25:56 PM     (No. 9936126)

For # 19 and perhaps others.

I believe that Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

Having said that, the FAA issued at least three Airworthiness Directives on the B-747 mandating fuel tank inspections and parts replacements: 96-26-06 (which was replaced by 97-20-07) and 98-28-40. There were multiple Boeing Service Bulletins and other documents on the subject and for aircraft other than the B-747. They are mentioned in the NTSB accident report for Fight 800 which appeared in 2000.

There may have been more action required by later rules, but I have not tried to look that up.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: laurahome, 7/22/2014 10:39:12 PM     (No. 9936138)

#s 29 & 42: I have always been "fascinated" by how rapidly the debris from OKC was removed. I consider that destroying evidence.

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Reply 63 - Posted by: TrustButVerify, 7/22/2014 11:01:48 PM     (No. 9936154)

#28 -- I had the same thought -- there are people out there who know exactly what happened that have kept quiet for one of two reasons: a) they were threatened or b) it was our military who made a mistake and they keep quiet because that´s what they do. Of course, Clinton wanted a complete cover-up and we know what happens when you go against that crowd.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: Dems R Dumm, 7/22/2014 11:23:57 PM     (No. 9936174)

If you have NetFlix, watch the movie "TWA: Flight 800". The Clinton White House covered up a terrorist attack to get re-elected. The FAA & NTSB employees from back then are still lying through their teeth about it too.

It happened the June before the 1996 election and he didn´t want it to affect his chance at a 2nd term so Billy Jeff ordered the cover up.

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Reply 65 - Posted by: grundoon, 7/23/2014 1:01:20 AM     (No. 9936227)

Clinton´s terrorism Guru, can´t think of his name right now, says in his book that when 800 went down they were sure it was an Iranian missile and he was dispatched ASAP to suppress it because Clinton told him "it´s an election year, the last thing we need is a war".

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Reply 66 - Posted by: jackburton, 7/23/2014 7:27:48 AM     (No. 9936387)

Regarding the issue raised by poster #6... I remember that the plane that the Vincennes shot down was heading straight toward one of our aircraft carriers and, while climbing, it was at a rather low altitude at the time. Further, the Iranians and Iraqis were duking it out at the time and the plane had just been used to ferry troops to the war front BUT its transponder had NOT been reset to indicate that it was now being used for civilian aviation.

It´s the difference between approaching a guard dog with a bone vs a knife.

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Posted By: magnante- 10/4/2014 11:22:06 AM     Post Reply
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American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 10/4/2014 9:05:29 AM     Post Reply
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Posted By: magnante- 10/3/2014 9:13:32 AM     Post Reply
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Obama will pay a price for blaming
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American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson    Original Article
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The recent student demonstrations in Colorado against curriculum changes that present a more positive view of America don’t bother me at all. Dollars to donuts they were organized by the teachers. (snip) when you remove the coercion, the dependence upon a teacher for a grade, a letter of recommendation for college entrance, help with getting the classes one wants, and of course, a really big one, the teacher or professor being able to ridicule a student’s beliefs in front of classmates, you often get a star. Much like the young high school coed I watched skewer an unctuous college professor

Eric Holder´s Original Sin
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Are bird-watchers racist?
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Official German body says
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With traditional sexual morality discarded, the last taboo is under attack by the fairness mafia. The UK Telegraph reports: Laws banning incest between brothers and sisters in Germany could be scrapped after a government ethics committee said the they were an unacceptable intrusion into the right to sexual self-determination. “Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo,” the German Ethics Council said in a statement. “The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family.”



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