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The politics of death and dying
Washington Times, by Joseph Curl

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Posted By:MissMolly, 7/21/2014 4:40:59 AM

Everyone I’ve met during my two-plus months in Florida has been touched by dementia. Not a few people, or nearly everyone, but — Every. Single. Person. A cleaning lady that helped me get my parents’ home ready for sale said her father had dementia, like my mother. “Does your mom scream at night?” she asked me. “No, but she sees things, hallucinations,” I said. “Oh,” she said, “that’s not so bad. My dad was a screamer, all night every night.” The tile repairman who fixed up the front walkway said his mother went into the darkness early, just in her 60s. She

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: chumley, 7/21/2014 6:08:15 AM     (No. 9933426)

How can I, as a reasonably healthy middle aged very cute guy, decide if someone else´s life is worth continuing? I think life would be pretty crummy with constant pain or no libido, but someone else might be willing to live with that just fine.
Best to leave the politicians out of it and let the families, doctors, clergy and especially the individuals decide what to do.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: grace1798, 7/21/2014 6:43:19 AM     (No. 9933443)

I have a friend who has been in a nursing home for 20 years. Her body is healthy and mind is gone. I know she would not want to live in this hell if there was anything she could do about it. And they keep her drugged day and night in that nursing home. IN this respect, I´m all for putting anyone........including me if that happens, out of their misery and IT IS MISERY. Lord, it´s okay with people IF we do that for animals but not human beings?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/21/2014 6:49:39 AM     (No. 9933449)

We have Living Wills to take care of that situation. However, paranoiac that I am, mine stipulates that the decision requires two doctors from two different practices. I don´t want anyone pulling my plug prematurely to get whatever organs (or skin) might still be usable.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: periwinkel, 7/21/2014 7:20:46 AM     (No. 9933483)

#3 I have always been struck with the term, Living Will. It´s a universal euphimism...almost like something from 1984 (the book).

It´s not a will for living...it contains the instructions for dying. Maybe if we were more honest with the language of dying, it would be easier for those left behind to deal with these awful situations.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/21/2014 7:23:34 AM     (No. 9933486)

What should instructions for the way we want our deaths to be handled be termed? I guess if we were honest, we could just call it that...Dying Instructions.

They´re just words, #4.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 7/21/2014 7:48:15 AM     (No. 9933511)

The author compares parents wanting their teenage children to move out to children wanting their ailing parents to just die already.
He also compares parents with dementia to ailing pets who get put down out of "Compassion." It´s just another phase in life where you hate to see your parents suffer, so you sign the paperwork to have them put to sleep. Won´t it be a great relief to know mom and dad are out of the way, and no longer causing you emotional and financial stress?

/That was sarcasm. Don´t kill your elderly parents. You can pretend you´re not murdering them, but you are.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/21/2014 7:51:06 AM     (No. 9933515)

Soylent Green.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Felixcat, 7/21/2014 9:11:15 AM     (No. 9933603)

I never understood all the interest and medical research into prolonging our lives. Living into very old age is fine if you have the money (let´s be realistic - it does matter) and the phyiscal and mental ability to enjoy it.



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Reply 9 - Posted by: Daisymay, 7/21/2014 9:39:20 AM     (No. 9933638)

I´m 73 and I´ve listened to both sides of this argument. I think there are children who can´t wait for their parents to die so they can have their money. In that case, shame on us giving them the tools to carry that out! This author writes of the women who didn´t know her family, so they quit visiting her. Shame on them. They needed to go to be sure she was getting good care, not abandon her. What is this world coming to? I don´t have a problem with a pill that a very sick and very old person can decide to take to end their suffering. But I don´t subscribe to someone else making the decision to give them that Pill unless it´s their doctor.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jglas, 7/21/2014 10:53:09 AM     (No. 9933739)

I´m with #9 . . . there´s too much risk the kids will want to off the parent before their inheritance is all used up. It´s too easy to rationalize, the old guy doesn´t even know what´s going on, right? He/she is as good as dead already. We need the money.

Nobody should be killed without them being in a hopeless condition and expressing or having expressed a desire to die. If a parent shows signs of dementia get them to write down and sign their dying instructions, then there´s no problem. Under no circumstances should government make the decision.

But then I can´t bring myself to even put down a dying pet. I make them as comfortable as possible and give them whatever comfort I can. They can´t tell me their wishes and so I give them the benefit of the doubt. This compassion has come with age. Funny but when I was younger I valued life much less. I hope it´s wisdom and not just squishiness.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/21/2014 11:24:09 AM     (No. 9933794)

I´m pro life ... from conception to natural death - and have no problem with the Catholic Church´s teaching on the issues.

In 1984 Pope John Paul II wrote an Apostolic Letter Salvifici Doloris - on the Christian meaning of human suffering.

Article 5 of the Catholic Catechism - The Fifth Commandment ... entitled Thou Shalt Not Kill gives an in depth explanation of Catholic teaching on the respect for human life.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: enuf8, 7/21/2014 11:24:30 AM     (No. 9933796)

Tons of articles have been written about the use of chlorine and fluoride in drinking water which has devastating impact on the nervous system and the brain-----

The use of a Berkey dual filtration system they say gets this filtered and removed and even smaller molecules in the water. Water taste much better than straight from the tap.
In our water bill we periodically receive notices of the danger to small children and the elderly who might have a compromised immune system and to avoid drinking the tap water. Of course, as much can be absorbed through the skin with baths and showers. Catch one both ways.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Hammock, 7/21/2014 2:16:38 PM     (No. 9934046)

#2 I wish my mother had been in a nursing home where she was drugged. Due to laws to prevent over-drugging here, she was denied a level of sedation enough to deal with her anxiety and agitation. The worst was some law where she had to be weaned off meds periodically to see if she could receive a lower dose when the current dose wasn´t even enough.

#12 I was using a Berkey filter (other brands are similar) with the fluoride removal cartridges until I read further about the aluminum those cartridges put into the water. I couldn´t choose between aluminum or fluoride so went with reverse osmosis.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 7/21/2014 4:26:06 PM     (No. 9934224)

Dementia seems to last forever and Alzheimer´s ends life much quicker. After caring for a parent long distance for years, the things wrong with ALF´s and nursing homes would fill a book.

However, I have a real problem with my PCP asking if I have a Living Will and if someone has power of attorney. One doc had his own forms with a slanted direction.

Be sure to read all of the new forms at any physician´s office. Note the ones that say half way down the page that you do not have to sign the form and ones saying you are giving up HIPAA rights.

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