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Congressman Predicts Victory
in Lawsuit Against Obama

Washington Free Beacon [DC], by Elizabeth Harrington

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Posted By:JoniTx, 7/17/2014 12:21:30 AM

Rep. Tom Rice (R., S.C.) and constitutional law expert David Rivkin on Wednesday predicted victory in the lawsuit the House is launching against President Barack Obama. The House Rules Committee held a hearing on the proposed lawsuit, which is intended to prove the unconstitutionality of Obama’s unilateral delay of the employer mandate portion of the Affordable Care Act. Witnesses at the hearing argued about whether the House has standing to sue the president to enforce the law. “I’m very optimistic that this lawsuit will succeed,” Rivkin said in an interview. “I certainly expect there to be a propaganda offensive to

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: stablemoney, 7/17/2014 1:02:10 AM     (No. 9928101)

Turley and Prof. Elizabeth Foley´s testimony very impressive at the House hearing. The opposing hacks discussed history, adjusted their mikes, and spoke of everything but the law, from which I drew the impression did not favor them, as they did not mention it.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 7/17/2014 1:19:36 AM     (No. 9928108)

Are they going to talk it to death for months or act ?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDC, 7/17/2014 1:45:28 AM     (No. 9928124)

So they sue him. He loses. The employer mandate is put in place. None of this will be finalized before the election.

They going to spend the next 2 years filing lawsuit after lawsuit challenging his executive orders?

They still don´t have the cajones to go after zippy or anyone in his administration. They just go after conservatives and taxpayers.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: lil dotty, 7/17/2014 1:56:42 AM     (No. 9928140)

So the House wins the lawsuit (we should be so lucky!) What does this mean? WTP line up and spank the bottom of the bow-boy with a paddle, spat his hands, he gives back the trillions he has stolen from WTP, he invites all to his next super party Pow Wow in our White House. What punishment will he receive?
Exactly, none and he will ignore any instructions he might be given should he lose

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Starlady, 7/17/2014 7:18:16 AM     (No. 9928312)

Judge Napolitano was just on Fox saying this is nothing more than a political stunt. Last night I heard on Fox News it won´t come before a judge until 2016.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Joe vann, 7/17/2014 8:07:53 AM     (No. 9928378)

I believe this is a positive step and I am proud of the House for taking it. Trey Gowdy is no top water and he will preside over these hearings. Obama´s fondness wish is for the House to impeach him...before this fall´s election...which would be madness.

The delaying tactics of the left are hard to deal with, when a thug us in charge of the a Justice Depsrtment and the FBI has been compromised by the regime. What do you complainers propose the House to do in order to prosecute these people ? Never forget the msm is looking for a way to make US look like fools and racist.

If we don´t scew up this falls election, which many of US are prone to do, we will have a real chance to impeach the tyrant. In the mean time save you ammunition for the enemy...not friendliest.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Rinktum, 7/17/2014 8:08:13 AM     (No. 9928379)

If the House believes he has overstepped his authority, then impeachment should be the remedy. This lawsuit is a coward´s way out. Republicans are so afraid of the backlash of impeachment that they want nothing to do with it and have hit on this folly to try and appear to be doing something. What this accomplishes is nothing. It gives Obama a smart aleck talking point. He manages to turn the tables on Republicans with little effort. It is getting to be more and more like watching a Road Runner cartoon.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: grace1798, 7/17/2014 8:12:51 AM     (No. 9928386)

Pray to the LORD that The LORD would confuse and confound the plans and traps of the wicked (we know who they are) and that THE LORD would let their own plans and traps fall on their own heads. Please pray for victory for the children of God all around this earth every day and every night.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Passion, 7/17/2014 8:18:26 AM     (No. 9928395)

The Jonathon Turley versus Mark Levin opinions in this are fascinating…..counter intuitive…..

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Refried, 7/17/2014 8:20:08 AM     (No. 9928397)

If Mohammed were impeached tomorrow NOTHING would come of it in a legal sense.
House impeachment means nothing unless the Senate sitting as a jury finds him guilty by a 2/3 vote.
Does anyone here really think that 66 senators would vote to throw him out of office?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/17/2014 8:38:49 AM     (No. 9928422)

#10, you´re absolutely right. But, I can understand the emotional appeal of an effort to at least humiliate Barack Obama with an impeachment effort. I worry that it would be an enormous waste of energy and resources and the worst part is that Obama wants us to do it. A GOP effort to impeach would drain all the focus from IRS, Benghazi, the Mexican border, John Kerry´s ineffectual diplomacy, Eric Holder´s dereliction of AG duty, to say nothing of the GOP effort to take the Senate in preparation for a hoped-for victory in the 2016 presidential race.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/17/2014 8:53:17 AM     (No. 9928444)

Wooo-hoo ... a piece of paper! A strongly worded letter!

Yea!!!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 7/17/2014 9:08:41 AM     (No. 9928473)

While BO may deserve impeachment, they would never get enough dem support in the Senate to get it done. (Unless the fool does something so egregious that even the dems can´t ignore it). So let´s get real.

This lawsuit has a good chance of winning. If it does it will shred BOCare. The infrastructure to enforce the mandate does NOT exist. It will highlight the failure of the law once again. AND it will set precedent for BO´s other distortions of law to be attacked. It will tangle up his administration in lawsuits for the next couple years which will keep him from doing more damage. And it will keep the public focus on the illegal actions of this extreme liberal administration.

It´s about time that someone confiscated BO´s phone and pen. We are a nation of laws, not community grievance organizer whims. People are noting that BO seems disconnected from his job and maybe even a bit from reality. What will happen when the heat is turned up some more? It could he interesting and it couldn´t happen to a more deserving guy.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: stryker714, 7/17/2014 9:19:20 AM     (No. 9928492)

Some like to hypothesize that Republicans won´t do anything to stop Barack Hussain Obama because they are afraid of being called racists, riots will happen or that "this is exactly what Obama wants". Well one question? How do you know that is what he wants? Sounds like enemy trolls planting mind-propaganda to me.

The most likely reason for Republicans´ lack of testosterone eclipses any of these previously suggested notions: money. The Republicans we see but do not hear are making enormous amounts of money from Obama being president. That is the only possible explanation. Follow the money-they are in on his diabolical reign, may even throw elections to keep status-quo: We had two lame candidates in a row(not including Sarah Palin of course), who showed they really did not want to win. McCain took a microphone away from a lady at a political event, scolded her, told her Obama is certainly "not a Muslim, but a good man". Romney could have torpedoed Obama for good over Benghazi in debates but he played nice and lost.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: pineledger, 7/17/2014 9:23:01 AM     (No. 9928501)

Obama wants impeachment proceedings, which in and of itself is reason not to do it. He knows they would only further divide the country, which is his goal, and likely result in violence. Why would we want to play into his hand like that?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: chillijilli, 7/17/2014 10:06:23 AM     (No. 9928572)

I may be in the minority here but I think the lawsuit is a very strategic political maneuver designed to keep the Administration on edge and in tow during the run up to the midterms and 2016. It will just quietly run in the background, surfacing when significant testimony is given. It will keep the Demos scattered, which will obliterate one of their most historic strengths---their unity.
There´s a very brutal chess game going on. Slow but deliberate moves are often needed before we can get to the endgame.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MattMusson, 7/17/2014 10:06:46 AM     (No. 9928575)

And, OBama is suddenly going to pay attention to the law if the courts tell him to?

Grow up.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: M2, 7/17/2014 10:31:30 AM     (No. 9928613)

“There’s just no way a court would find that the House of Representatives as an institution has been harmed by President Obama attempting in good faith to implement the ACA,” Catholic University law professor Victor Williams told Politico.

Of course the House is "harmed." How can the members be expected to do the job voters elected them to do if everything they dispose to legislate is immediately or shortly thereafter invalidated by the president? As a result, voters view their elected Representatives as ineffective, harming their ability to get re-elected and harming their ability to legislate effectively.

Worse, the president is NOT acting "in good faith". He is acting in bad faith, using his pen and his phone to do that which enhanced and continues to enhance his far Left agenda so that voters don´t become angry at him for not acting.

This is Kabuki theater. We all know it. I am praying mightily that this lawsuit will proceed apace and that we will be victorious.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/17/2014 10:50:47 AM     (No. 9928640)

#7, a recent article by Jonathon Moseley in American Thinker makes the case for lawsuit vs. impeachment and says, in part:

It makes no sense to demand the drastic step of impeachment, which is highly unlikely to succeed. Furthermore, a Supreme Court precedent would be binding on future presidents. Impeaching one president would not prevent the next president from the same violation.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/boehners_brilliant_lawsuit.html

There´s another article "Could Boehner Enforce Lawsuit Against Obama?"

"f the U.S. Supreme Court rules that Obama exceeded his authority, then the directives and regulations imposed on your power plant are null and void. Obama cannot enforce his overreach against you. He cannot enlist the courts or any law enforcement. Therefore, a court decision would be automatically self-enforcing.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/could_boehner_enforce_lawsuit_against_obama.html


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Reply 20 - Posted by: dman, 7/17/2014 10:55:27 AM     (No. 9928651)

We need to do "all of the above". Try the lawsuit, but don´t let expectations get too high. And don´t let an ongoing lawsuit impede other efforts. Proceed with Levin´s Article V approach, and proceed with impeachment.

Impeachment, especially in an election year, "calls the question" with the voters. If the public does not see cause for it, the effort will fail as it did with Clinton. If it does (as with Nixon) it will be effective.

Nixon resigned because party leaders convinced him that the House would impeach and the Senate would convict. Public sentiment was enough to do the job. The Emperor won´t resign, of course, but not even Democrat senators will resist public pressure to be rid of this traitor. They will be thinking about 2016. Get the mandate, and you have a reasonable chance of getting the 16+ Democrats needed.

And no, "crazy Joe" would not be worse.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/17/2014 11:15:13 AM     (No. 9928683)

This is the right plan for now. Good legal minds have put this lawsuit together and other good legal minds believe it will succeed. No, it´s not immediate gratification, but as other posters have pointed out, a victory in this lawsuit puts a governor (in the vehicle sense) on future presidents. Impeachment of Barack Obama impedes no future occupier of the White House.

The Levin plan is a really, really bad idea. And, I´m pretty sure Levin understands it´s a bad idea, but since it won´t happen, it´s ok.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Tulunk, 7/17/2014 1:04:30 PM     (No. 9928904)

Winning lawsuits and dismissal of corrupt officials is just a bunch of words unless it is backed up with imprisonment and financial penalties. Lois Lerner? Early retirement? Yeah. With full pay and perks. Bill Clinton, and Hilary? Corrupt beyond imagination. Impeached, but rolling in cash. Other federal crooks are "suspended", but actually just shifted laterally to another job with identical perks. Millionaires are awarded lucrative contracts in exchange for donations. If they get found out, tut tut. Shame on you. Keep the money.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 7/17/2014 1:40:07 PM     (No. 9928950)

@#2: They´re going to talk it to death. Regardless of the outcome, Obama will ignore any findings, rulings or judgements and continue to march us off the cliff. Running out the clock is all that can stop him, unless he runs for a 3rd term, which is highly likely with a personality such as it is. Don´t put it past him to bellyache the public should have a right to vote for the person of their choice, regardless of the constitutional restriction. His argument will be the two congressional chambers and the SC are not subject to term limits so why should he....

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dbdiva, 7/17/2014 1:47:18 PM     (No. 9928955)

It would be simpler (and cheaper) to inform our Fearless Reader that he either comply with Constitutional law or else Congress would confiscate his golf clubs and make it illegal for anyone to sell him new clubs. Oh.... and if that doesn´t do the trick he would be handcuffed to MO 24/7/365. I don´t imagine he would be happy about that.
If nothing else that would ensure that they only take ONE plane instead of two on their myriad vacations.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: ebuilder, 7/17/2014 1:52:12 PM     (No. 9928962)

All you savvy republicans who know the democrat senate will do nothing forget one thing. If the truth is we have an illegal President -- is he? -- who is overthrowing, not just transforming the country -- is he? -- by bankrupting and overregulating and chaos making and invasion making and weakening us and our children and military everywhere, top down, bottom up, inside out without end and laughing at us from Martha´s Vineyard or Putin´s lap or the border -- is he? -- an "incompetent" who cannot be stopped by normal constitutional channels because the idiot/smart gobshite republicans and Diane say so -- and he plays golf and gets stoned with his plaything and covers up Benghazi and his scandals and laughs at you -- they, the savvy ones, therefore justify other edgier means of self defense to stop this treason which is the right of a free people. Not to mention these savvy gobshite republicans who are so far ahead as to know Obama is inviting his arrest or impeachment -- actually daring some savvy establishment republican drunk to arrest him -- are in the same boat with the liberal guy who automatically believes he is smarter than everybody -- this version being the guy who waits and waits because he is too savvy to restrain the treason because he KNOWS it cnnot not work, and he KNOWS elections could be lost, and he KNOWS conservatives [who say things like "DEPORT -- CLOSE THE BORDER -- CUT OFF THEIR MONEY"] are dangerous, and he KNOWS a race war involving his worst idea of black stereotype madmen would come more immediately than the WWIII scenario or collapse of America scenario starting next week that Obama and well funded, silent republicans have well in hand. "Stay savvy San Diego."

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Reply 26 - Posted by: nevernaught, 7/17/2014 2:32:11 PM     (No. 9929006)

I´m thinking more and more that Impeachment should wait until Republicans get control of both the Senate and House. If that happens then he could be Impeached in the House.

The problem with this whole procedure is that it takes a 2/3rd majority in the Senate to convict and remove him from office. That would take some Democrats to go along. If they didn´t, Republicans could make life miserable for the President and Democrats the last two years of office with program cancellations and whatnot.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 7/17/2014 3:55:27 PM     (No. 9929099)

No 3 is missing the point. They don´t care when or if the mandate is or is not established. They are looking for a case of Obama writing law. Only Congress can write law. If Obama does it he is usurping the authority of Congress. This gives the House "standing".

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Reply 28 - Posted by: loveUSA, 7/17/2014 5:06:36 PM     (No. 9929186)

Impeach Holder first and then King Barry.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: gone2pot, 7/17/2014 5:43:09 PM     (No. 9929245)

The ONE thing the Depends wearing bed wetters in the House can do that is actually effective against the tyrant-in-chief and is what they were hired to do is defund the executive orders, but they won´t because they are COWARDS. This lawsuit is exactly as powerful as the House crying, "I´m tellin´ Mom!!" Sad to see Gowdy get sucked into another GOP farce, playing right into the Cloward-Piven-Alinsky-ites...again, again.

And we laugh at the Babylonians for taking several weeks to realize Cyrus overtook them. We´re six years into the takeover and we still haven´t realized it.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: WIBadger, 7/17/2014 7:04:23 PM     (No. 9929320)

Of course they´re optimistic they will win. Why file it if they felt otherwise ? Let´s assume they´re proven right. Then what ? They wag their fingers & Barky continues to do what he´s been doing. SCOTUS be damned.....

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Just Be Another Inexperienced Obama?

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Mediaite, by Evan McMurry    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/28/2014 5:14:07 PM     Post Reply
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked neurosurgeon and GOP novelty Ben Carson, who is very vocally teasing a presidential run, if his inexperience disqualified him from the office, especially given the results of Obama’s alleged inexperience. “After looking at Barack Obama and what’s happened with his lack of political experience over the last six years, wouldn’t putting Ben Carson in the Oval Office be akin to putting a politician in an operating room and having him perform one of your brain surgeries?” Wallace asked. Shockingly, Carson said no. “I think what is required for leadership is wisdom and the

Obama says Michael Brown’s
death in Ferguson ‘stains the
heart of black children’

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Washington Times, by Dave Boyer    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/28/2014 7:27:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama said the shooting death of a black teen by a white police officer last month in Ferguson, Missouri, exposed the racial divide in the American justice system that “stains the heart of black children.” Speaking at the annual Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, Mr. Obama said the death of Michael Brown “awakened our nation” to a reality that black citizens already understood. “In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement,” Mr. Obama said. “Too many young men of color feel targeted by law

Obama: ‘Most Americans’
think nation is racist

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Washington Times, by Joseph Curl    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/29/2014 4:55:30 AM     Post Reply
For President Obama, the color of a man’s skin is far more important than the content of his character. On the night when a police officer was shot in a Missouri town torn by racial strife, the president donned a shiny tuxedo to attend a ritzy black awards dinner, where he said police nationwide are to blame for community mistrust, even claiming that “most Americans” think the country is racist. Remember, when Ferguson exploded in racial rage in August, Mr. Obama chose not to curtail his 15-day vacation, spending day after day on the golf course in the white-skinned, white-wined, millionaire playground

Obama: U.S. underestimated
rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria

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CBS News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 9/28/2014 2:25:32 PM     Post Reply
The U.S. had expected the Iraqi army to do more against extremists, president says in acknowledgment of intelligence shortcomings. President Obama acknowledged that the U.S. underestimated the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS, also called ISIL) and overestimated the ability of the Iraqi military to fend off the militant group in an interview that will air Sunday on 60 Minutes. The president was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft about comments from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who has said the U.S. not only underestimated ISIS, it also overestimated the ability and will of the

LA Times: ´Worst is Yet to Come´
If Ferguson Officer Not Indicted

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Truth Revolt, by Bradford Thomas    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 9/29/2014 7:18:59 PM     Post Reply
The L.A. Times is warning that the “worst is yet to come” if a grand jury fails to indict white officer Darren Wilson for shooting and killing black 18-year-old Michael Brown. If the grand jury fails to indict the officer who killed Michael Brown, almost everyone here thinks things will get worse. “They’re not going to be looting next time,” said Kevin Seltzer, 30, who lives at an apartment complex near where Brown, 18, was shot. “They’re going to burn the city down.” The article highlights recent indications that the city is “far from finding peace,” including continued clashes with officers, the shooting

Secret Service ´was unaware for
FOUR DAYS that man fired
rifle at White House in 2011,
leaving the Obamas furious´

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Daily Mail [UK], by Sophie Jane Evans    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 9/28/2014 10:38:21 PM     Post Reply
The Secret Service was unaware for four days that a man had fired a high-powered rifle at the White House in 2011 in a ´fumbled´ response that left the Obamas furious, says a new report. Officers allegedly performed a string of security lapses after Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez shot at least seven bullets at the executive mansion in Washington from his car. At the time, President Barack Obama, his wife Michelle and their older daughter Malia were not at home, but their younger daughter Sasha and Mrs Obama´s mother, Marian Robinson, were inside. It comes as the Secret Service is facing more questions over

Cornyn to PJM: Time for ‘Arguments
Within the Family… Has Passed’ If
Conservatives Want to Win Senate

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PJ Media, by Bridget Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 9/29/2014 6:49:16 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — The Senate’s minority whip is confident about Republicans being the majority in the 114th Congress — if conservatives can set aside differences and work to combat the massive influx of donor cash that has Democratic campaigns ahead in the money race. Only in the majority, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) stresses, can conservatives make headway on tamping down overregulation, repealing and replacing Obamacare, securing the “chaotic” border, getting Keystone XL moving, and bringing civilized debate back to the upper chamber. And only by realizing the gravity of the battle for November, he argues, can Republicans relegate Harry Reid (D-Nev.)

Ferguson police officer shot
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KSDK-TV [St. Louis, MO], by Jimmy Bernhard    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/27/2014 11:12:25 PM     Post Reply
Ferguson, Mo. – A police officer has been shot in Ferguson, Missouri. Police say the shooting occurred while the officer was on patrol at the Ferguson Community Center. Tim Zoll with the Ferguson Police Department told NewsChannel 5 that the officer has been shot in the arm and transported to Barnes Jewish Hospital. The officer is expected to be okay. The suspect is described as a black male with dreadlocks. The suspect is still at large. West Florissant Ave is shut down from Chambers Rd. to I-270 in both directions. No other information is available at this time. We will update this story when more information is

Justice Department expected to ban
profiling by federal law enforcement

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Washington Examiner, by Mark Flatten    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 9/28/2014 1:48:41 PM     Post Reply
The Justice Department is expected to ban profiling by federal law enforcement. Counter-terror investigators would be barred from undercover operations in mosques or other religious institutions unless there is reason to believe criminal activity is going on there, under a new policy expected within weeks. The new rules would ban profiling based on religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation and includes no exemption for national security investigations, the Los Angeles Times reports. The announcement of the new policy to crack down on law enforcement profiling was delayed for several months because of White House

Obama: The Country Is Better
Off, People Just Don’t Feel It

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Washington Free Beacon, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 9/29/2014 10:10:27 AM     Post Reply
President Obama firmly believes the United States is better off now than when he took office, even though the American people cannot “feel” it. During an interview with 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Obama said, “the country is definitely better off than when I came into office.” “When I came into office, our economy was in crisis,” Obama said. The president then cited lower unemployment, private sector job growth, and deficit cuts as evidence of his administration’s success. “I can put my record against any leader around the world in terms of digging ourselves out of a terrible, almost unprecedented financial crisis,” Obama said. When


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