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Impeachment: The Red Line
and the Last Straw

American Thinker, by Cindy Simpson

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Posted By:DW626, 7/14/2014 6:12:41 AM

Where is the red line of impeachment? In theory, a red line might be located somewhere on a list of impeachable offenses – perhaps at the point where a certain number of transgressions is exceeded, or next to a specific instance because of its significance or impact. In reality, though, that red line exists along a spectrum of “political will.” As Andrew McCarthy explained: “You can have a thousand provable impeachable offenses, but before Congress may remove the president from power, there must be strong popular support – a public will that cuts across partisan and ideological lines.”

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Tulunk, 7/14/2014 6:38:01 AM     (No. 9923281)

I think the Dems would love to have the GOP impeach Obama. The novelty of a brave young black crusader has worn thin, and instead they have an uppity N word who won´t listen to them and wallows in expensive perks. If the GOP impeach we will get Biden, who is a good Dem soldier, and they play the race card.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 7/14/2014 6:42:18 AM     (No. 9923284)

The line is the threshold of Dingy Harrys office. Nothing regarding impeachment will cross that line, even if Our Dear Reader ordered the round-up and execution of political opponents...

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/14/2014 6:59:20 AM     (No. 9923297)

At some point the American people must take a stand. History is filled with stories of people taking a stand against all odds and winning.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bubby, 7/14/2014 7:05:29 AM     (No. 9923302)

FTA"The Democratic Party and its media complex are masters of tactics. They’ll continue to paint conservatives as extremists and racists. Obama will ridicule and taunt his opponents and rile up his fans with speeches. The media will fight to save President Obama’s legacy, and thereby its own reputation."

#3 I disagree no one in Congress is willing to take a stand. It is better to let the country be destroyed by obama and the Democrats than to called a racist by the msm. He will serve out his term and the country will be in ruins by then.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: flybynight, 7/14/2014 7:30:44 AM     (No. 9923324)

Agree with #1. Did we learn nothing from the Clinton fiasco? Talk about snatching defeat!

It seems absurd to have to explain...again...the mechanics and reality of impeachment, to people who should have paid attention in 9th grade civics class.

We´ll take it real slow here for those of you howling for impeachment:

1.Even if we have the certain votes to impeach in the House, we do not, and likely will not in these midterms, have a 2/3 majority to convict in the Senate. so we are back to a smirking president saying, "I won."
2. There is our village idiot Biden waiting in the wings. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
3. We offer the looney left all this stupid racist-ammo for which there is no defense. Are we going to get into a kindergartener´s "am-not, are-too" back-and-forth?

Nope. We will continue to pay put rope, hoping the pResident will hang himself in the midterms, and wake up a bunch of hopey-changey voters for 2016 who will realize how badly they were had by that political charlatan they elected. Twice.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 7/14/2014 7:33:22 AM     (No. 9923328)

Sarah Palin´s very valid point of saying that it is “time to impeach” is one, if ignored, that will leave unacceptable consequences. There will be an era of lawlessness which will become the norm on every level of government - some people believe it is already here with the IRS scandal, fast and furious scandal, the VA scandal and others.

The Founders knew why they were providing for impeachment - they wanted to avoid a war among the new nation´s citizens. Impeachment is the only civil way to put this derailed nation back on its tracks.

It amazes me why good men and women don´t understand what is at stake. Sarah is right when she says: “If after all this he’s not impeachable, then no one is.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40, 7/14/2014 7:59:45 AM     (No. 9923351)

Sarah Palin is a smart, level headed politician. If we put aside the knee jerk Sarah hatred and listen carefully a lot of sensible ideas come through.
1.She knows it will never get past this Senate. But Dingy will be forced to hold the trial. There is no constitutional escape.
2.It will clearly establish that the Republicans are not party to this ruinous rampage making a mockery of everything we have inherited. Republicans are rapidly becoming defacto accessories by not acting.
3. Her real target is the Congressional Democrats and potential 2016 nominees. Forcing them to publicly defend the indefensible has great value with the wavering middle 10% that 0bama carried twice. It is this middle that she is after.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 7/14/2014 8:01:56 AM     (No. 9923352)

Pardon a second comment - I hadn´t read the whole article before I wrote my comment above.

Cindy Simpson must have been sitting in my class when I taught history. One of my best students was a very bright young lady named Cindy (different last name) who was an extremely good writer. This Cindy has expressed her argument well, and I just pray that her conclusion can be avoided. Moreover, I fervently pray that intelligent people (we need the not-so-intelligent, too) will remember that the Constitution is our road map to a civil society.

Cindy´s conclusion: A future Congress controlled by a majority that proclaims its unwillingness, in advance, to even consider impeachment may find itself unable to deter a president who dares to cross it.
That, my friends, was Sarah´s point.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/14/2014 8:06:28 AM     (No. 9923357)

#4 I did not mention, nor imply, Congress.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/14/2014 8:21:32 AM     (No. 9923369)

Look, we all know how richly Obama deserves any humiliation we can pile on him and his administration acolytes. We also know how really good it would feel to present articles of impeachment, pass them in the House and get conviction in the Senate. We also know it´s not going to be successful now. Better legal and political scholars than I have pointed it out on this and previous threads. So, it´s a waste of energy to keep discussing it as if it could really happen. Obama´s administration is going down in glorious flames in many places and for many reasons. A futile GOP movement to impeach would save him. We don´t have to do it. There are other ways of blocking his royal edicts and history will take care of judging him.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/14/2014 8:24:29 AM     (No. 9923378)

#10 You miss the point entirely.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: ilovedogs, 7/14/2014 8:38:22 AM     (No. 9923399)

So #1, we too forget principle and join in the strategy/tactic team????

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Reply 13 - Posted by: ramona, 7/14/2014 8:43:19 AM     (No. 9923412)

Just how does this popular support develop? Surely someone must begin the drumbeat. We need more leaders like Sarah Palin who are willing to endure the scorn of the Establishment politicians and media to start banging that drum.
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 14 - Posted by: dman, 7/14/2014 8:46:27 AM     (No. 9923418)

We keep restating the same arguments. One side worries about playing into the Democrats hands, jeopardizing the "sure thing" election in NOvember, and we can´t get the 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict anyway. The other worries about separation of powers, the Constitution, and tyranny establishing itself right before our eyes.

I say: call the question. Put articles of impeachment on the table, campaign on them, and let the voters weigh in. Not some rigged poll with slanted questions and a skewed sample, but an actual election. If we can no longer trust the electorate, then it is all over anyway - we are fighting over a corpse.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/14/2014 8:47:54 AM     (No. 9923419)

The article makes a good point. If this lawless president cannot be impeached then no-one can. This is another part of the constitution that is / may as well be shredded! It is just a matter of the GOP learning to fight. They need to make the case. Holder is playing his race card saying all opposition is racist. This is the first thing that needs to be debunked. Didn´t MLK give us the standard - content of character not colour of skin! MLK is honoured while his words are dismissed! Can´t the GOP even make this case? They are so useless I believe they must bear much responsibility for the Obama disaster.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: eoddad, 7/14/2014 8:56:02 AM     (No. 9923440)

Make the democrats defend the corruption we have seen. Obama is going to continue to push, where do you draw the line. One year from now this will NOT be crazy talk.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/14/2014 8:57:55 AM     (No. 9923445)

In truth, #11, the "point" you want readers to get is exactly what I am speaking to. Rallying "the people" to realize and attack the President´s egregious illegalities is a waste of energy. Our efforts, at this time and under these circumstances, is better spent clipping his wings and waiting him out. I´m sure you don´t agree. I´ll be more admiring of your stance when I see you leading the charge.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: kahunavol, 7/14/2014 9:04:58 AM     (No. 9923461)

So why aren´t you admiring Sarah´s stance?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 7/14/2014 9:05:30 AM     (No. 9923463)

Where in the country - outside of the conservative blogosphere - is the popular will for impeachment? It´s just not there, and the MSM will never permit the notion to gain any serious traction. And as long as that´s the case it is unrealistic to expect elected officials to get behind it.

Those of us of a conservative bent like to refer to "the American people" as though we were still a cohesive entity united by common belief in a few important values or ideas. No mas. Decades of leftist moral, intellectual and cultural rot have left us balkanized, ignorant, self-absorbed and easily distracted. We would not be whwere we are today if that were not the case.

We here may just happen to be living in the era when the piper has to be paid.



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Reply 20 - Posted by: chumley, 7/14/2014 9:10:14 AM     (No. 9923472)

Thank you #13. The communists know something that has eluded so many of us. When they want to "have a conversation" about something, they are building popular support in an effort to take something away from us. We arent allowed to object because its just a simple conversation, after all.
Ok, lets have a conversation about impeachment and removal.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 7/14/2014 9:13:26 AM     (No. 9923480)

Just when I thought the GOP Establishment cheerleaders were finally going to engage in a real conversation, #17 had to come along with that last line and resort to a personal attack to defend their position. Pitiful.

It is clear this issue revolves around either waiting Obama out and letting him fall of his own weight, or using the constitution to stop him. I see both sides.

What concerns me is the evidence that he clearly intends to ratchet up his executive order pace during the next two years. How much more damage to the nation is required before the GOP makes a real attempt to stop him?

Are we going to wait until he grants full citizenship to 20-30 million illegals, then fight it in the courts for years? By that time it will be too late, those illegals will have given the Dems permanent control over numerous states and the federal government.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: misterdickens, 7/14/2014 9:24:15 AM     (No. 9923493)

Rather than impeachment, I think the Republicans should "denounce Obama´s actions in the strongest possible terms". That´s what they do best. In fact, that´s all they do.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/14/2014 10:41:30 AM     (No. 9923659)

Back in November 1992, Grover Norquist warned about "The Coming Clinton Dynasty" in which he said: "He will use the power and finances of the state to build an impregnable fortress..."

Considering the topic at had, it´s well worth reading. It´s now in pdf form, so just google the title and add Grover Norquist.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 7/14/2014 10:59:56 AM     (No. 9923696)

Does anyone really believe Boehner would allow impeachment proceedings to take place? That guy is so lame he almost makes Biden look like an intellectual genius.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: mathman, 7/14/2014 12:26:19 PM     (No. 9923856)

Don´t impeach him.
Defund his office. Stop paying his salary, and the expenses of his office.
Does not Congress control the purse?
Stop paying IRS.Stop paying Justice.
Let them print their own money.
Impeachment is a non-starter.
But money? Follow the money.
Cut off the money. Then see what happens.

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