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Flake Admits Backlash Against Immigration
Reform, But Doesn´t ´Understand´

Breitbart TV, by Jeff Poor

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 7/10/2014 10:34:02 AM

In an appearance on Fox News Channel’s “Special Report” on Wednesday, Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) discussed the current state of affairs surrounding the issue of immigration. Flake, the guest of the show’s occasionally occurring “Center Seat” segment, admitted the rise of a populist movement opposing any immigration reform movement that included a version of amnesty. However, he admitted to being perplexed as to why there’s such an opposition stating there’s a need for not only low-skill labor “particularly in the agricultural areas and hospitality areas,” but high-skill labor of “those in the STEM fields.” Partial transcript as follows: STEPHEN HAYES, Weekly Standard: You

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I cannot believe that Flake continues to insist that there is a need for low skilled workers as well as high skilled workers. There are stories every day about Americans who cannot get a job in the high skilled workers. He didn´t utter a word about closing that border. I´m really sick of these squishy Republicans who insist the need for an immigration bill when the current laws aren´t even enforced.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/10/2014 10:38:38 AM     (No. 9918242)

Flake was weak. And his flashing his eyes and his smiles every couple of seconds, regardless of what he was saying at the time, sent very odd messages. Nervous tic? Trying to convey lots of personality? I´m a real insider know-all guy? Not good.

He seemed flaky to me.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/10/2014 10:40:18 AM     (No. 9918244)

I understand what Flake was saying. The jobs requiring low or no skills are going begging here in Texas. Hotels can´t get maintenance or service workers and fast-food places are desperate for hirees. If every illegal in the country was sent home tomorrow, the "resort" and recreation industries would shut down the next day. This is a sad fact. The answer, as I heard Flake say earlier, is a guest-worker program as we used to have. That program worked well and it would be a method for getting the undocumented into a computer base where they could be monitored if they were allowed work permits.

For my own clarification, I wish any of the people who are working or postulating on "immigration reform" would be specific. I´m leery of anything labeled as "comprehensive", so what parts need to be rewritten, thrown out or tweaked?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Wizard of IS, 7/10/2014 10:42:54 AM     (No. 9918248)

He´s either clueless or he´s learned integrity from Obama. Sadly my other Senator is McCain who´s worse. Where to I find a Republican with functioning gonads.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: WestCoast, 7/10/2014 10:43:16 AM     (No. 9918250)

low skill?? Does that include painters, roofers, drywallers, framers etc. I´m in the Pacific NW and it seems that at a lot of construction sites I visit, spanish is the predominant language.
I´m not up on current wages, but it used to be that a lot of people made a decent living at any of the above jobs.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: TOOTALL, 7/10/2014 10:47:00 AM     (No. 9918252)

It´s a LIE that we need more STEM workers. Newly graduated American Citizens can´t get jobs in those fields and there has been a constant outsourcing of that work overseas.

I have a friend who works at a high level in these fields and says that ´temporary workers´ in these areas are coming to the US, being trained by US workers, only to return to their home countries and take the job from the person who just trained them. This is happening on a rotating program of 90,000 individuals.

Its a LIE!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: eoddad, 7/10/2014 10:47:02 AM     (No. 9918253)

#3 I think he learned integrity from McCain not Obozo.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: charliesea, 7/10/2014 11:00:10 AM     (No. 9918270)

If the mainstream republican party doesn´t find its gonads they will be looking at a new crop of libertarian voters that they caused. Sarah Palin has more testosterone than McConnell, Boehner, McCain and most of our GOP lawmakers put together. Americans are looking for a leader not a mealy mouthed professional office seeker. We´re looking for truth and responsibility.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Wakeupcall, 7/10/2014 11:07:19 AM     (No. 9918281)

Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), a big part of America´s problems for being a Marxist democrat in a supposed republican party of which I now believe the whole two party thing is a lie. America has one political party an it is not one that perpetuates a free people in control of their government, no, it perpetuates a slave people under control of a Marxist communist government for all intents and purposes. They just don´t have enough people fooled to give them the 2/3rds. they need to throw out the constitution, yet. They are well on their way of attaining this goal.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: enuf8, 7/10/2014 11:14:48 AM     (No. 9918296)

Immediately after he won the Senate seat he became a surrogate of John McCain. He did a quick turn around from his conservative cries to get elected.

Both need replacement----NOW!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: civilservant, 7/10/2014 11:34:35 AM     (No. 9918328)

#2, my first job was grafting peach branches onto nursery stock.
My second was cleaning out gas station toilets.
I took both jobs since so few others were around to do it-rural area- that they paid above average.
Now lets look at the ILLEGAL immigrants:
work force = X# of people = wages set lower as available pool of workers is high.
work force = .5X, wages RISE as the pool is smaller.
PLENTY of Americans would do the job if the labor pool was not so large as to artificially deflate the wages.

#´s 4 & 5 know what the deal really is.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: nimby, 7/10/2014 11:37:22 AM     (No. 9918333)

#3..Answer to your " Where todo* I find a Republican with functioning gonads?"

Try finding a Ted Cruz in AZ!!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dwa, 7/10/2014 11:40:15 AM     (No. 9918337)

If Flake truly doesn´t understand, then he is truly dumb and should not be in the Senate. If he is lying, then again he should not be in the Senate. Either way, he should not be there making laws for the rest of us.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: M2, 7/10/2014 11:41:09 AM     (No. 9918340)

OP, my sentiments exactly. Enough Americans are out of jobs so that they can take those low-skilled jobs if they want to. One of the problems is that they are getting paid more in welfare NOT to work than to work a low-skilled job.

I agree that talk of border security is far more to the point than needing low-skilled workers, because we all know that most of those low-skilled illegals will go on welfare rather than actually get jobs.

So I don´t get Flake´s perspective. The "backlash" against immigration isn´t against immigration. It´s against illegal immigration, a problem this POTUS and his Party adamantly refuse to address.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 7/10/2014 11:53:23 AM     (No. 9918362)

It is a straw man argument to speculate about the impact on the resort industry "if every illegal was sent home tomorrow." No one advocates mass deportations. But it is a must to protect the sovereignty of the USA with strict border control. Americans are unwilling to take low end jobs at the current wage scale which is sharply depressed by the presence of millions of illegals. The elitist, investment class benefit from the exploitation of illegals workers who are heavily subsidized by the beleagured middle class. Illegals are net tax recipients and everybody knows it.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: dman, 7/10/2014 12:00:56 PM     (No. 9918371)

The appropriately surnamed "Flake" is a RINO. What else is there to say? If he understood, he would be on our side.

#2: How about letting capitalism work? Increase wages, improve working conditions (including speaking English on the job), and the millions of unemployed Americans - especially young people - will fill them. Case in point: there is no shortage of NYC trash collectors - there is a price point for every job.

If sufficient manual labor cannot be found, then automation and mechanization can be employed to reduce the demand. Capitalism can find a solution short of illegal immigration slavery.

Prices will rise, but by how much? Exactly what percentage of the retail price of a head of lettuce goes to the migrant who picked it? What percentage of the hotel bill goes to the bell hop? Those portions of the tab are minimal, as will be the impact of letting the market work.

As to STEM workers, of which I am one: there are millions on the sidelines - retired and otherwise underemployed - ready and able to pick up the slack once tech employers become willing to give another look. How about training and re-training your workers, like tech companies used to do in the 70s and 80s? How about ending defacto age discrimination? H-1B visas should be limited to extraordinary cases.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mc squared, 7/10/2014 12:01:47 PM     (No. 9918372)

Why don´t we save money by just sending back the low skilled and uneducated and keep the rocket scientists?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MeiDei, 7/10/2014 12:02:28 PM     (No. 9918373)

41 years ago I was visiting friends in San Diego & while we were outside enjoying the weather I noticed a convoy of trucks on the highway below.

Asked if this was a military exercise they said "no" it was farm workers coming in from Mexico; the trucks were provided by the growers. Now this isn´t a discussion about the working conditions of the workers, I mention it only because the transportation in & out of the country seemed to work well. I wonder how many able bodied people on welfare in CA and elsewhere can take a couple of shifts a week in this area & have their compensation go into the welfare fund. That sounds heartless to many but it is doable; wasn´t it something like Clinton´s workfare program?

Also, many of the resorts & restaurants, etc., on Cape Cod & the Jersey Shore utilized college age students from NY, NJ, OH, CT, MA & RI - usually, but not always, those that were in a degree hospitality program @ their schools Granted the Cape is seasonal & probably a poor example, however, the work experience was often translated into jobs at home, around their colleges or wherever the job opportunities took them after graduation. What has changed that? Unfortunately, I have more questions than answers.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 7/10/2014 12:07:46 PM     (No. 9918384)

If he is still perplexed, he is dumber than sand. The reson Americians don´t take those jobs is because illegals have driven the wages down so low, hence the min wage whinners.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 7/10/2014 12:11:16 PM     (No. 9918388)

all I gleaned from Flake´s appearance on Fox is that he has great dental care. His teeth sparkled even on long shots.

other than that, I was left totally unimpressed...

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Reply 20 - Posted by: athina, 7/10/2014 12:15:08 PM     (No. 9918396)

There should not be a guest worker program as long as there are people on welfare. Or unemployment.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: stablemoney, 7/10/2014 12:39:33 PM     (No. 9918436)

This country will never eliminate poverty because the establishment republicans and democrats will always import it, so we can never advance, will always be burdened with all the problems associated with poverty, including discontent, crime, disease, out of control schools and hospitals. Flake is aptly named.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 7/10/2014 12:50:18 PM     (No. 9918449)

apparently many here understand what the self-named "elites" do not. Many of us, Dear Wife and I included, have DONE many of those "jobs Americans will not do". We´ve picked fruit, cleaned toilets, washed dishes, caught chickens, swept floors and a whole lot else. And we know others who can say likewise. And we grew up making a buck doing some of them. And did some well after passing the age of 18.
But our kids couldn´t do most of them, and your kids can´t either, because Illegal aliens are. And we all know it.
H1-B´s are taking the STEM jobs that lots went heavily in debt to be educated and credentialed for. Only to see the jobs go to folks from Egypt, Pakistan, Mumbai, or Chile. Or the available positions restricted to "protected classes", or what a headhunter I spoke with calls the "left handed Lebanese Lesbians", and for a white male pay half of the ´normal´ rate of 10-15 years ago.
Ask me how I know.
So top-level bankers with family connections do ok. And you can often find a job stocking shelves at WalMart, or repeating "would you like fries with that" at a fast food joint. Outside of that, not so much, including construction and other traditionally well-paying blue collar jobs.
We expect the party of Obumble, Clintoon, Cynthia McKinnie, Grijalva, and such to intend damage to the nation and the people. What hurts is that we see as an alternative the party of Jebbie Boosh, Eric Cantor, Jeff Flake, McVain, Lindsey Graham, Lamar Alexander, Mark Pryor, Olympia Snowe, Boehner, and the whole Chamber of Commerce types, equally intent on plunging daggers into our backs.
he´s probably telling the truth. H doesn´t understand. I don´t understand why the people of Arizona have sent two worthless illegitimi to the Senate.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: stevendm, 7/10/2014 12:53:55 PM     (No. 9918457)

These jobs would be attractive if immigration was limited (thus raising wages naturally) AND welfare was limited for those people unable to work (as opposed to being unwilling to work).

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Reply 24 - Posted by: wtm, 7/10/2014 1:18:30 PM     (No. 9918487)

Americans should have first pick on the jobs.........

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Gordon Mills, 7/10/2014 1:21:30 PM     (No. 9918492)

Thank you, Arizona for the flakes Jeff and John. Thank you South Carolina for Gramnesty. When you are overrun you asked for it and deserve it.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: TXknitter, 7/10/2014 6:44:20 PM     (No. 9918922)

#2. Nope. Those Texas hotels have simply set their system up to hire and run their business using only low skill Mexicans. Actually, the dumber (not a slam, merely mean not educated) the better management tends to like it. Illegals are too scared to make demands for better benefits and pay. These employers get no sympathy from me. Since Texas hotels are booming? Advertise better pay and you will see plenty of folks who just plain need jobs (yes they exist in Texas) and those jobs will be filled.

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In a potentially crippling blow to Obamacare, a federal appeals court panel declared Tuesday that government subsidies worth billions of dollars that helped 4.7 million people buy insurance on HealthCare.gov are illegal. The 2-1 ruling said such subsidies can be granted only to people who bought insurance in an Obamacare exchange run by an individual state or the District of Columbia—not on the federally run exchange HealthCare.gov. "Section 36B plainly makes subsidies available in the Exchanges established by states," wrote Senior Circuit Judge Raymond Randolph in his majority opinion, where he was joined by Judge Thomas Griffith. "We reach this conclusion, frankly,

NAACP: Detroit water
shutoffs are racially motivated

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
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The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has filed a class action lawsuit against the city of Detroit for water shutoffs that members claim are racially motivated. The Detroit Water and Sewerage Department stopped service to about 7,200 buildings with overdue bills in June, compared to 1,570 in the same month last year. The issue gained national attention last month after activists appealed to the United Nations for help. The shutoffs are “being done in a discriminatory fashion,” the NAACP’s Veronica Joice told a local CBS affiliate. “They should at least take a look at whether there’s a better way to do this that doesn’t affect the most vulnerable citizens

End Partisan Primaries, Save America
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New York Times, by Charles E. Schumer    Original Article
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WASHINGTON —Polarization and partisanship are a plague on American politics. Political scientists have found that the two parties have each grown more ideologically homogeneous since the 1970s. The Senate hasn’t been so polarized since Reconstruction; the House has not been so divided since around 1900. As measured by laws passed, the current Congress is on track to be among the least productive in our republic’s history. How did this happen? One of the main causes has not gotten enough attention: the party primary system. The reasons behind the shocking primary defeat last month of Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, who

Madeleine Albright to CNN:
Israel Is ‘Overdoing’ It in Gaza

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Mediaite, by Matt Wilstein    Original Article
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While our current secretary of state John Kerry is under fire for sarcastically joking about Israel’s “pinpoint operation” in Gaza, one former secretary of state echoed those sentiments during an appearance on CNN Tuesday afternoon. Speaking to Wolf Blitzer, Madeleine Albright said she thinks Israel is “overdoing” it with its offensive into the Gaza Strip and losing some of its “moral authority” in the process. “I do think the point has to be made, if rockets are being shot at Israel, that Israel does have a right to defend itself,” Albright said. “But the bottom line is the question of proportionality.” Blitzer singled out her use of the word

5 months off: Martha´s Vineyard break
will put Obama over 140 days on vacation

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Washington Examiner [DC], by Paul Bedard    Original Article
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When President Obama wraps up his 16-day summer break next month on Martha´s Vineyard, Mass., he will have taken all or part of 141 days of vacation, time split between summers on the island, winters in his native Hawaii and birthday weekends at his Chicago home. Obama has been criticized for taking costly and lengthy vacations, especially compared to the short trips most Americans take. The U.S. Travel Association told Secrets that the average American vacation lasts just 3.7 days. But his 141 days out of Washington are far less than the 378 former President George W. Bush took in

Democrat Rep. Elijah Cummings
calls for end to ´public harassment´
of IRS chief John Koskinen

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Washington Examiner [DC], by Susan Ferrechio    Original Article
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The top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform panel is objecting to a plan to call the Internal Revenue Service commissioner to testify for a third time in a matter of weeks, calling it “public harassment of an agency head.” Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., sent a letter Monday to Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., objecting to a decision to call Commissioner John Koskinen to testify at a hearing on Wednesday. It would be the third time Koskinen appeared before the panel in the past month, Cummings noted. “Requiring Commissioner Koskinen to testify again this week not only takes him away


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