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Sarah Palin just joined the ‘impeach Obama’
crowd. That’s bad news for the GOP.

Washington Post, by Aaron Blake

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 7/8/2014 5:02:32 PM

Sarah Palin on Tuesday joined a growing chorus of Republicans calling for the impeachment of President Obama, writing in a Breitbart op-ed that the influx of young illegal immigrants over the southern border "is the last straw that makes the battered wife say, ´no mas.´ " Mixed/careless metaphors aside, this is nothing but bad news for Republicans — especially four months until the 2014 election. Palin is hardly the first GOP politician to raise the issue of impeachment over the past couple years. Others include Sens. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Reps. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.),


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Reply 1 - Posted by: WilliamTell, 7/8/2014 5:08:37 PM     (No. 9915697)

The headline should read: That´s bad news for BOTH the GOP RINOS and the Demorats

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Reply 2 - Posted by: richwill, 7/8/2014 5:10:14 PM     (No. 9915699)

Sarah Palin is a racist for promoting an impeachment O Hussein. (satire) It will never happen and this is exactly what Hussein wants.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ruready?, 7/8/2014 5:10:23 PM     (No. 9915701)

Listen: The democrats will tell you what they fear.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Former lurker, 7/8/2014 5:14:19 PM     (No. 9915705)

Like I go to the Washington Post for advice on what conservatives should do. We have reached the point that we are going to have to stand and fight.......if we lose at least we tried.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: MissMolly, 7/8/2014 5:14:19 PM     (No. 9915706)

Listen. Some folks take Limbaugh´s tired words too seriously.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: eoddad, 7/8/2014 5:20:59 PM     (No. 9915716)

Maybe its time for Republicans to see how bad the "NEWS" is. So RINOs are afraid they may come up short so we need to play it safe. I will put up our angry base against the so called huge Democrat base any day. Obama has acted like a dictator and the country needs to air the dirty laundry.

He has far surpassed anything Nixon did.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: ramona, 7/8/2014 5:24:44 PM     (No. 9915719)

I stop listening when the Mean girls show up to offer insults. I´ll tune them back in when they can explain why they admire the tactics used by their establishment lords in MS. Or if they should wish to condemn the same.
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ruready?, 7/8/2014 5:25:39 PM     (No. 9915722)

GOP wants to handle this like Romney´s last debate. Once a wuss, always a wuss.

The GOP handles Obama like a mule handles a hailstorm. They just hunker down and take it.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 7/8/2014 5:43:05 PM     (No. 9915738)

This is exactly what Obama and the Democrats want. Buchanan is correct... the opposition to Obama and the Democrats holds a hand full of aces for November´s election. There are two ways for Republicans and conservatives to lose, and lose big in November: pass comprehensive immigration reform this summer and completely dispirit our voters; and/or impeach Obama, thereby making the election all about impeaching the first black president in our history. It won´t be about Obama- it will be about the evil, racist impeachers.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: a man over thirty, 7/8/2014 5:45:33 PM     (No. 9915745)

Can´t convict with Harry Reid dictating to the Senate. He wouldn´t even take up the matter.
After November however.....
People pointing out impeachable offenses now aren´t hurting Republicans´ chances in November´s elections.
But starting impeachment proceedings now WOULD be counter-productive, imo.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: mws50, 7/8/2014 6:02:57 PM     (No. 9915765)

Congress needs to do something while they wait on 2017. They can take up impeachment in February.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Lalo, 7/8/2014 6:04:43 PM     (No. 9915768)

I´m not against talk of impeachment, but not until it has been clearly established to the American people exactly what has been and is being done that is unconstitutional, illegal and/or otherwise impeachable. And that hasn´t been done yet.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Javelin, 7/8/2014 6:05:08 PM     (No. 9915769)

The Democrats would love to scare their base with the charge that a GOP Senate would force Obama out. It takes a 2/3 vote to convict, so he´s not going anywhere.
Impeachment, calling everyone else a RINO, bickering among ourselves are a distraction and a big waste of time.
Donate to good candidates. Get off the couch and walk precincts with candidates. Work at a phone bank. Send the message with a big election blowback.
Forget impeachment. It is not going to happen.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 7/8/2014 6:14:36 PM     (No. 9915780)

Absolutely right ,#5- Just like the tired words of the constitution.
I sure hope that Sarah doesn´t push this in her powerful position in the senate.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: stablemoney, 7/8/2014 6:14:49 PM     (No. 9915782)

Differing views, but I think an Obama impeachment proceeding would not go as well for the democrats or the WaPo as they prognosticate. According to Obama, Holder, and WaPO, conservatives can´t legally do anything, or otherwise, and should not try, as in just give up and quit conservatives.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: horacer, 7/8/2014 6:17:23 PM     (No. 9915786)

This is silly. Palin has the right to speak out. It´s an opinion nothing more. It is not as lofty as the left wants to breathlessly make it. If I´m not totally mistaken officer Andrew McCarthy just wrote an entire book on the subject. Palins expressing her frustration with the administration, a frustration we all feel. Calling for impeachment is a way to vent. The left did it every day with Bush. No one is seriously considering impeaching Zippy.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bubby, 7/8/2014 6:21:35 PM     (No. 9915795)

Look obama supported by his administration has done impeachable acts far more than any other President. He has committed high crimes and misdemeanors. I have no problem with Sarah stating what is obvious to most Americans who actually believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. People who are leaders are honest and confident. I believe Sarah has both and has a commitment to the Constitution rarely found in Congress. So what if it will never happen she at least took a stand against that thug obama. Something Speaker Boner or Senator McConnell never will do. Good for you Sarah!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Rael, 7/8/2014 6:21:54 PM     (No. 9915796)

And of course the left will always tell the right what it shouldn´t do.

Unfortunately the GOP is all too willing to listen to the people trying to destroy them.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Penney, 7/8/2014 6:25:07 PM     (No. 9915801)

The dem pols and beltway RINOS are as, ´peas -in-a-pod!´ Imagine THAT!?!! Yep, the current renegade statist dem/GOP leadership is for some unfathomable reason, AWOL from mainstream American citizens!


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Reply 20 - Posted by: judy, 7/8/2014 6:40:10 PM     (No. 9915819)

The only time the far wing WP reports any real news is when it has Palin´s name involved.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: hamrman, 7/8/2014 6:45:34 PM     (No. 9915826)

Why is it bad? The empty chair/suit should be impeached for his wanton disregard for the American People, even though we realize in reality that this is fairy tale thinking!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Calvinesq, 7/8/2014 7:02:53 PM     (No. 9915842)

My heart is with her. My head says, "it´s too late."

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Reply 23 - Posted by: watashiyo, 7/8/2014 7:08:55 PM     (No. 9915847)

All you naysayers, ...are you INSANE?!
If there´s a serial killer preying, a rapist stalking, a pedophile loose, don´t arrest him now, but wait for the right moment!!!?
That´s what you´re saying about Hussein! Wait for the right moment to impeach him? And until that moment comes, he can continue with his lawless behavior that´s killing and destroying American way of life? How irresponsible and unpatriotic is that?!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: SheikYerBooty, 7/8/2014 7:19:58 PM     (No. 9915855)

The mention of Sarah Palin is a dog whistle for our resident RINO hens. Sarah Palin has better political instincts than Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, McCain, Grahamensty and the rest of the flacid RINOs put together.

The republican estabishment doesn´t have the nads to fulfill their constitutional duty. They would rather race pimp blacks by accusing the TEA Party of being racists and vote suppressors.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Me_Opinionated_Nah, 7/8/2014 7:37:03 PM     (No. 9915872)

I find advice given to Conservatives by WaPo “journalists” such as Aaron Blake or Dana Milbank most unsettling. Don’t you? What’s in YOUR wallet?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: zeldafitzg, 7/8/2014 7:38:19 PM     (No. 9915874)

Let´s not go in this direction. He would never be convicted in the Senate, and his hardcore supports would take to the streets looting, maiming, and burning.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: kafir091101, 7/8/2014 7:39:21 PM     (No. 9915875)

If America had been paying attention to Gov Palin, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin during the 2008 primaries, this country would not be enduring this pain and today´s GOP president´s name would not begin with an ´R´!

It is bad enough that we must endure the LOFOs that elected, and then re-elected, this Mulatto Kenyan but we are now faced with the impossible situation of having to vote for some despicable RINO POS Statist who, in essence, has been enabling that Commie/Fascist/Marxist and will not draw a clear line between themselves and that Commie-Piece-of-Crap.

There will come a day when the Stuffing-Will-Hit-The-Fan!

Benghazi, IRS, Southern Boarder, Iraq, Afghanistan, NSA, VA, EPA, National Debt, Jobs, etc.

When in hell will the American people stand up and say:


I just hope that I´m at least alive and conscious enough to witness it!


PS: The most grievous danger to have ever been forced upon America is today sitting in the HW.

He makes Hitler, Tojo, Stalin and the rest of those despots with their armies and navies look like pikers as to what damage he can do to us with his ´Pen and Phone´!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: dman, 7/8/2014 8:09:06 PM     (No. 9915903)

Thanks, Sarah.

I was disappointed in your delivery at Sevierville. Perhaps you were tired from campaigning in MS. Whatever. I called it the way I saw it. Now I can gladly call a "thumbs up". Put a few points in the plus column.

It´s time that the rest of America wakes up and does what must be done.

This is a step in that direction.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ocjim, 7/8/2014 8:30:35 PM     (No. 9915926)

Sorry to hear this. Gov Palin is right on principle of course but wrong on how to achieve results. With normal government malfeasance, impeachment makes sense. With Alinsky wise guys with the corrupt news media behind them, impeachment attempts play right into their political judo wheelhouse. Sad to say, in this woefully divided country, at best impeachment would be a most Pyrrhic victory. Not to mention an enormous distraction, which of course would be most welcomed by the little king hisself.

Gov Palin´s best contributions are as a formidable kingmaker. I wish she would concentrate on her strength.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Penney, 7/8/2014 8:37:00 PM     (No. 9915931)

Gov. Palin will discuss this on Hannity´s show tonight. -When Palin speaks, we listen! ...Her commentaries have proved her accuracy, and thus, she merits our attention.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: reilly, 7/8/2014 8:46:20 PM     (No. 9915940)

Wax this clown with a majority. But Biden could be even more NUTS.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: texsupreme, 7/8/2014 8:53:05 PM     (No. 9915945)

I really get annoyed when people express the fear that the "minorities" will "riot, burn, kill and maim" if we make them unhappy. What will we do when these fears keep us from telling zero that he can´t have a third term? We must do what is right and not cower in fear of savages.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: PI65, 7/8/2014 9:17:08 PM     (No. 9915972)

Nobody ever said Sarah Palin was the brightest politician in the world. Oh wait, some did.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 7/8/2014 9:27:38 PM     (No. 9915988)

Not so fast. AOL has over 2000 posts today on the article about Zippy requesting $3.7 billion and 99.9% of those people would love to see him impeached. That´s a lot of ticked off voters.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: saryden, 7/8/2014 9:34:46 PM     (No. 9915992)

How do you impeach an illegal president? Our legislators and justices are too concerned / scared for their own careers anyway to do what is right for America.
Sarah Palin is my "Joan of Arc!"

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Reply 36 - Posted by: bpl40, 7/8/2014 9:34:50 PM     (No. 9915993)

The main fear is that impeachment will drive any discussion of Democrat and 0bama misdeeds right off the table. Then again, Sarah has exhibited such unerring political instincts and sense of timing that she should be listened to.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: SouthSanAntonio, 7/8/2014 9:40:34 PM     (No. 9915998)

Isn´t it "special" how concerned the Wah-Pooooo (a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC) gets for the "well being" of the Republican Party?

What that tells me is just how scared the Demon-RATS are that this call is starting to get louder and louder, and how they know it will appeal positively to most conservative and moderate Americans (all but the most rabid lie-berals) since we are all sickened by the dictator-wanna-be actions of Øvomit!!!

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Reply 38 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 7/8/2014 9:59:45 PM     (No. 9916014)

Impeachment without conviction is a stunt that harms Republicans in 2016.
Putting together a legal case , with witnesses and evidence is a long process and not undertaken lightly.
It´s too late to do anything before the midterm elections.
So, impeachment talk at this time is pointless and could be used to galvanize dispirited Democrats
to the polls in November.
I think Obama´s Afghanistan ROE´s were designed to help the Taliban and should have been an impeachable crime.
Could I prove it ? No.
Would the Senate convict ? Absolutely not.
If Palin and others are going to argue for impeachment they need to provide the concrete legal evidence that Obama conspired
as president to commit a high crime .
Personally, I think he conspires every day , but, I can´t prove it and neither can Palin.
Or if she can, she should provide it to the House Judiciary Committee instead of jabbering to Breitbart.
The impeachment crowd must also name the 21 Senate Democrats , as it stands today ,
who would vote to convict and remove Barack Obama.
Otherwise this is just unhelpful hot air.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 7/8/2014 10:40:10 PM     (No. 9916055)

Listen. Some folks believe anything the GOP Establishment and their friends in the media tell them.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: tisHimself, 7/8/2014 10:59:40 PM     (No. 9916075)

Game balls for 7 and 24.

This is not 94 and an obstruction of justice charge. These are acts demonstrating a contempt for the American system of government, the Constitution that defines it and a willingness to destroy the weakened institutions upon which this country was founded.
It is a steep hill, as was Normandy. All the big guns of the major networks and media outlets are complicit, so no help can be expected. The establishment liberal republicans, as this board demonstrates, are interested only in preserving whatever self perceived influence they can. Principles apparently are for suckers and extremists.
Which leaves us with Palin. Courage personified. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, Rove, Romney, Jeb Bush----what is one to make of their silence as the chosen one views himself an Emperor?
There can be no impeachment without public sentiment; stirring such sentiment requires leadership, not focus groups and push polls and shadow PACS. And here she stands. Again.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: kafir091101, 7/8/2014 11:09:42 PM     (No. 9916085)


Impeachment and Conviction is a Political Process and not a Judicial Process. The Federal Court system and Federal Law, and hence, ´Rules of Evidence´, have no authority over the House and Senate in this effort.

Only the authority of the US Constitution and the internal rules of the House and Senate govern these proceedings.

After the next Congress is sworn in in 2015, its a new ball game and whether or not a conviction can be achieved in the Senate, the House must IMPEACH this Commie/Fascist POS!

There has never ever been a Judicial ruling, and there never will be, on what constitutes ´High Crimes and Misdemeanors´ and there is no precedence for such hence it is the sole discretion of the House as to what constitutes reasons for Impeachment and our interpretation, or ABC´s or NBC´s or any other Commie news outlet´s interpretation means squat.

Nail the GD-Commie-Barstid to the wall and then get on with it.

Palin, and others, are just setting the stage. It is called ´Prepping the Battle Field´. Can´t you understand that?


PS: I pray to God that I see this Crap-Head Frog-Marched out of Washington and back to Kenya!

PPS: Paging Trey Gowdy! Paging Trey Gowdy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Pinchem, 7/9/2014 5:05:43 AM     (No. 9916203)

#5...yes almost all "Left Wing Anti-Constitution, Anti-American, Obama hindlicking, Marxist Traitors despise the USA, Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Allen West, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, et al with their own tired outhouse words.

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In her just-released memoir, 27 year-old "Girls" star Lena Dunham claims that as a 19 year-old Oberlin College student in Ohio, she was raped by a college Republican. In the first chapter that addresses the encounter, Dunham describes the "ill-fated evening of lovemaking" as awkward and hollow. The most sensational moment comes from the fact that "Barry" wasn´t wearing a condom. In the next chapter, Dunham backtracks with the claim that she´s an "unreliable narrator" and accuses "Barry" of rape: [I]n another essay in this book I describe a sexual encounter with a mustachioed campus Republican as the upsetting but

EXCLUSIVE: Ousted Secret Service chief
was ´sandbagged´ by ´p***ed off agents
who had had enough´ of her and thought*

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/2/2014 9:11:57 PM     Post Reply
A recently retired Secret Service agent told MailOnline on Thursday that former director Julia Pierson´s resignation will be welcomed by the agency´s rank-and-file because ´people in the service thought she was a joke from Day One.´ He attributed her swift fall from grace to a cadre of ´p***ed off agents who had had enough´ of feeling disrespected by the service´s first female director. ´Putting her in charge was part of the [Obama] administration´s push to feminize the service after the "hookergate" nightmare,´ the agent said, referring to agents who were fired after patronizing prostitutes during a security-check trip to Colombia

The Case for Panic
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Washington Free Beacon, by Matthew Continetti    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 10/3/2014 5:27:33 AM     Post Reply
Deadly, irrational, and determined, the intruder snuck across a weakened perimeter. Eluding capture, the intruder was detained only after missteps and close calls. The spin began soon after the threat was isolated. Information was selectively leaked. Half-truths and untruths were uttered. Responsibility was avoided; privileges and credentials asserted; authority reasserted. Trust us. Remain calm. Don’t panic. This is the template of recent events. A mental case jumps the White House fence. He makes it to the East Room before he’s tackled by an off-duty Secret Service agent. Initial statements turn out to be misleading or false. We discover that lapses in

28 words that Democrats
really wish President Obama
didn’t say today

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Washington Post, by Chris Cillizza    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 10/2/2014 10:48:52 PM     Post Reply
President Obama was at Northwestern University on Thursday to deliver an economic speech that, he and his team hoped, would lay out the case for why the public is better off today than they were six years ago -- even if they didn´t feel it in their everday lives. Instead, Obama just gave every Republican ad-maker in the country more fodder for negative ads linking Democratic candidates to him. Here are the four sentences that will draw all of the attention (they come more than two thirds of the way through the speech): "I am not on the ballot this

The View looking to add cool-down room
for the ladies after Whoopi Goldberg and
Rosie O´Donnell come to blows in front
of studio audience

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Daily Mail [UK], by Chris Spargo    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/2/2014 10:52:17 AM     Post Reply
A recent fight between Rosie O´Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg has producers at The View looking to add a cool-down room for the ladies. After being cut off by Goldberg during an episode last week so the show could go to commercial, O´Donnell began to express how upset she was and, after being told repeatedly by Goldberg it was not the right time to have that discussion, eventually got cursed out by the Oscar winner. Goldberg told O´Donnell, ´F*** it, I told you to leave it alone and you just don´t want to listen. If you want to go there Rosie,

Mitt Romney and 2016:
Could It Be True?

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ABC News, by Alana Abramson    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 10/2/2014 1:46:59 PM     Post Reply
A presidential defeat isn’t an easy thing to bounce back from. And Mitt Romney did it twice. So it was understandable that after he lost the presidential race in 2012, he was adamant about closing the door to the possibility of a third campaign. But recently, speculation is whirling that Romney may not be so adamant anymore. When asked if he was running in a New York Times interview published earlier this week, Romney said : “I have nothing to add to the story. We’ve got a lot of people looking at the race,” he said. “We’ll see what happens.” That response, which

Meghan McCain on Secret
Service: ´I hated all of them´

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Kurtz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 10/3/2014 12:30:44 AM     Post Reply
Meghan McCain joined the dog pile on the Secret Service this week, saying she’s had “nothing but horrible experiences" with the agency and likening the agents to “glorified mall cops.” The 29-year-old author and television personality, who is also the daughter of former GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), opened up on Pivot’s “TakePart Live” about some of her interactions with the Secret Service. "I have nothing but horrible experiences with the Secret Service,” McCain said. “One of my friends called them glorified mall cops and I don´t think that´s terribly far off. I found them cliquey. I hated

Some Blacks See Secret Service
as Flawed Shield for the President

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New York Times, by Peter Baker    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/3/2014 12:16:43 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland was at the grocery store the other day when he ran into an elderly black woman who expressed growing concern about President Obama’s safety. Why, she asked, wasn’t he being better protected by his Secret Service agents? The furor that led to this week’s resignation of the director of the Secret Service resonated deeply among blacks, outraged that those supposed to be guarding the first black president were somehow falling down on the job — and suspicious even without evidence that it may be deliberate. “It is something that is widespread in

White House says it has
Ebola virus under control

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Sarah Ferris    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/3/2014 6:55:38 PM     Post Reply
Top White House officials on Friday worked to reassure the American public that the national response to Ebola is under control. Leaders of the country’s health, defense and military branches stressed that they are taking the right steps to contain the spread of the deadly virus, which was first diagnosed in the U.S. on Tuesday. Top White House officials on Friday worked to reassure the American public that the national response to Ebola is under control. Leaders of the country’s health, defense and military branches stressed that they are taking the right steps to contain the spread of the deadly virus, which

California’s next big political fight:
Plastic grocery bags

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Washington Post, by Reid Wilson    Original Article
Posted By: garnet- 10/3/2014 9:19:26 AM     Post Reply
Go to a grocery store in California and buy all the milk, eggs and vegetables you want. But there’s one thing you won’t find at the checkout line, beginning July 1, 2015: Plastic bags to carry your stuff home. Gov. Jerry Brown (D) on Tuesday signed into law a ban on single-use plastic bags, making California the first state to prohibit stores from using the ubiquitous carry-alls. Shoppers will be charged 10 cents for every paper bag and heavy-duty plastic bag they use. “This bill is a step in the right direction,” Brown said in a press release announcing his approval. “It

Lindsey Graham Mulling White House Run
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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 10/3/2014 1:37:53 PM     Post Reply
The hawkish Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina says he is thinking about running for president in 2016. In an interview with Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard, the senator, running for re-election to the Senate this year, said: “If I get through my general election, if nobody steps up in the presidential mix, if nobody’s out there talking — me and McCain have been talking — I may just jump in to get to make these arguments,” Graham said. Graham, 59, also dismissed Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, 43, as a presidential candidate, saying he is too young. “He’s a good

Hillary Gets Tocqueville
Wrong By 100 Years

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 10/2/2014 11:31:10 AM     Post Reply
Speaking at a Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors event last night, Hillary Clinton decided to talk about Alexis de Tocqueville. The problem? She got it wrong -- by about a hundred years. "There´s a wonderful phrase that was first used by Alexis de Tocqueville, who came to the United States in the very early 1930s and traveled around our country," said Hillary Clinton, a probable 2016 presidential candidate. "And he was so amazed at how Americans organized themselves -- you know, coming from aristocratic Europe, which was totally top-down and hierarchical -- he couldn´t believe how many of us were joiners.

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