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Backlash stirs in US against
foreign worker visas

Associated Press, by Staff

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 7/6/2014 8:10:33 PM

Amid calls for expanding the nation´s temporary skilled worker program, some Americans are pushing back. They argue the so-called H-1B program has been hijacked by staffing companies that import cheaper, lower-level workers to replace more expensive U.S. employees. Lawsuits have cropped up around the country. And some tech worker groups are calling for a boycott of firms that they say are ignoring qualified U.S. workers. [Snip] Experts say at least 600,000 are here at any one time. An immigration bill passed in the U.S. Senate last year would have increased the number of annually available H-1B visas to 180,000 and

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With so many powerful people like Bill Gates pushing strongly for more and more H-1B visas, it´s going to take some very bard work to get any limitation on these job- and career-snatching visas.

"Temporary"? I don´t think so. Every H-1B visa worker A and I have ever known eventually applied for citizenship. The initial six-year "temporary" contract can be extended with ease until the holder applies for citizenship, then he/she can take whatever jobs they want. This is why US technical and scientific workers find it extremely difficult to get a raise or go to another job.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Citizen Plain, 7/6/2014 8:13:21 PM     (No. 9913247)

Never believe AP

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Reply 2 - Posted by: lazlototh, 7/6/2014 8:43:33 PM     (No. 9913260)

As long as there is a virtually unlimited number of H-1B visas available our largest technology companies will continue to throw out their 30+ year veterans instead of retraining them and will complaint hat the H-1Bs are needed because there are no skilled employees in the US. As Americans we have to compete with foreign labor and that´s fair. But it´s ridiculous to encourage our own largest employers to throw Americans out of work here and the current visa structure does that.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Safari Man, 7/6/2014 8:45:05 PM     (No. 9913261)

Personally, I would rather see the jobs go offshore, that the workers come from offshore for the job here. That goes for low-skilled AND high skilled labor. This land is our home. Its our culture. Its not a giant office park.




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Reply 4 - Posted by: TXknitter, 7/6/2014 9:15:15 PM     (No. 9913285)

Until more of the electorate figures out we need a NEW group of fresh faces representing the AMERICAN worker instead of wealthy lovers of cheap labor, we are absolutely doomed.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 7/6/2014 9:24:49 PM     (No. 9913292)

and, by the way, a pretty good number of these H1-B´s have names like Muhammad, or Hussein, or the like. And more than a few bring along wife. Who promptly has a baby. Instant citizen, and now grounds for permanent residency and eventual citizenship. Also bring over mother-in-law or the like to help with baby. Or babies. Later to be an upstanding member of the mosque.
Multiply by many.
Probably happening in YOUR town. Recall this the next time you hear calls to increase the number of STEM students (Science Technology Engineering Mathematics). Ran into a pretty good electrical engineer, working the electronics section at WalMart, part time. All he could get, after 20-some years in the field. And he ain´t alone.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Country Boy, 7/6/2014 10:01:21 PM     (No. 9913304)

Just for the record, I worked at a large money center bank (HSBC.com) from 2001-2006. Most of the employees were H-B1, and they were almost 100% going back to where they came from (India, China, Pakistan, etc). They were very qualified and they paid all the SS withholding.

Some of them reported to me (I very much born in America).

So, to some extent, the slams here against H-IBs are bogus. They are the best temps available. If American kids want the jobs, get qualified. Otherwise, the large companies will hire the imports.

In the year 1900 NYC buildings used to have signs on them

"If you don´t come into work on Sunday, don´t come into work on Monday".

That´s the work drumbeat. But it stopped in the U.S. about 75 years ago. Tough shite.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: lazlototh, 7/6/2014 10:13:44 PM     (No. 9913306)

I know I´m double posting but #6 I am not complaining about the skills of the H-1Bers. I work with an enormous number of South Asians and I admire their skills and their work ethic and we are all colleagues and where I work we also have westerners in Asia. My complaint is that there are a lot of experienced people who have been in large technology employers in the US for 25-35 years who are being laid off instead of retrained because our immigration policies have made it easier to make those older, more experienced but more expensive employees more disposable by artificially increasing the pool of lower-paid non-citizens. I don´t begrudge the people here on visas who are only behaving rationally. I DO have problems with the employers manipulating the programs - the same way, at a lower level, I have even bigger problems with the US Chamber of Commerce wanting immigration "reform" that just means more people competing for every available job and driving costs down - once again, artificially by inflating the supply of workers.

In the long run, once again, we have to be efficient and compete successfully or those jobs will leave the US anyway. But while the jobs are in the US we shouldn´t give employers incentives to throw older employees with few options out with the garbage.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ruready?, 7/6/2014 10:21:03 PM     (No. 9913310)

I am telling you upfront, foreign engineers, because of the culture in which they are raised, cannot hold a candle to US-raised engineers.

Unfortunately, most companies have to fail before the CEOs figure that out. Things will eventually resolve themselves if we do not bail out these failing organizations and hold onto our economic capitalism.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: noparallel, 7/6/2014 11:00:41 PM     (No. 9913331)

H-1B is for crony capitalists, french republicans, establishmentarians, and the chamber of (protected)commerce. They all want their slave labor at slave wages.

Here´s something from Breitbart titled, "Study Finds No Shortage of High-Tech Workers in U.S."

linky, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/20/Report-U-S-Has-Surplus-Not-Shortage-of-High-Tech-Workers

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NotaBene, 7/7/2014 1:33:33 AM     (No. 9913382)

H-1B visas are a very good way of importing talent. This brain drain is very good for US and our economy. Try finding an American mathematician.

It is the uneducated illegal alien Mexican, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadoran and Costa Ricans that lower wages for the poor African and Hispanic-Americans.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: noparallel, 7/7/2014 7:07:48 AM     (No. 9913467)

#10, I know a few mathematicians--they are either teaching or are working outside of their sphere of knowledge. They are out there. You just need to look harder and pay more.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: CivilServant, 7/7/2014 9:23:27 AM     (No. 9913610)

#6, the number of visa holders who work in the STATE agency with me are taking jobs that Americans CAN do. I watch the interview rosters, and then see who gets hired.
And damn near all of them are as worthless as teats on a bull.
They all come straight from scholarship schools to work.
End it, don´t mend it.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 7/7/2014 10:13:36 AM     (No. 9913661)

Sorry, #10, strongly disagree with your statements.

Mr. A attended Texas A&M, President´s Scholar. Did Navy ROTC, commissioned, flew for Navy. Used BSc Comp Sci to find civilian job as programmer/analyst. Has a photographic memory--in ensuing 30 years, has crammed into his brain almost every system and code imaginable, now classed as senior software developer/engineer. Has a load of certifications, including MCSD and MCSE and the usual others, plus recent Linux I and II. Secret clearances. Ability to convey highly technical information in easily understood manner, has always been the go-to person to answer tech questions. Handsome fellah, if I do say so myself, neat dresser. Personable. Punctual, honest, courteous, loyal.

He and the MAJORITY of the older techies he knows have been forced out/laid off more than once to make space for foreign visa-holding and college-fresh employees. Decisions are usually made by upper management in the belief that older employees are "too expensive."

Anecdotal, granted, but must be stats somewhere on the median age of high-tech workers. Can´t prove age discrimination, upper managers are wily devils with MBAs and little or no technical knowledge beyond how to send e-mails.

This time, though, inevitable lay-off is courtesy of government agency not renewing long-term contract. Work done was as contracted, most of employees were well-qualified ex-military, no reason given for lay-off. Luckily, another subcontractor is in need of employees for a new contract and has hired Mr A PDQ.

A note about mathematics: Mr A does calculus problems in his head. For fun. And I married him in large part because he takes up less space than an Encyclopedia Britannica set--and has about as much knowledge, especially history and politics.

Please read article at link posted by #9.

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