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Hispanics Split Over
Obama’s Border Meltdown

Daily Caller, by Neil Munro

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Posted By:StormCnter, 7/5/2014 5:14:08 AM

Polls show that American Latinos have deeply ambivalent views about the 100,000-plus illegal immigrants flooding across the American border with Mexico. Lopsided majorities say they want tighter border security and lopsided majorities say they illegal immigrants to be accepted. “There are Hispanics who are conflicted, because they worry about the quality of life, immigrants coming into their neighborhoods [and] about their jobs,” said Ruben Navarette, a native Californian and a nationally syndicated columnist. “When the [political] water is calm and immigration is not a hot issue, you get Hispanics engaged in discussions saying ‘I worry about border security and jobs,’

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: M2, 7/5/2014 7:04:39 AM     (No. 9911642)

It´s all well and good to say what Democrats have to do to boost their poll numbers with Latinos, but it´s more important what Republicans can do to woo these voters.

It´s a rock and a hard place for the GOP: If they paint themselves as being against illegal immigration they will be seen by Latinos and exploited by this White House and the media as being against Latinos. Those are the optics regardless of what the truth is.

So what does the GOP do? They can honestly make an issue out of illegals flooding our borders by talking to the Hispanic community and telling them to come here legally, bring their families, and they will be welcomed.

But they cannot come here and expect OUR free dollars for doing nothing. Hispanics should be willing to work for their welfare and pay taxes.

Write up a "Free Entry For Your Taxes" bill or something similar; let them, and the Hispanics already here who do pay taxes, that anyone who contributes to the system has the full backing of the GOP.

Now that leaves the other generational-welfare groups who should be made to do the same thing: With the exception of people, who, through no fault of their own, cannot work, cut off welfare after six months unless they contribute something -- taxes, working without pay for others, paving roads, learning a trade, building Churches, etc.

In the past, that whole scenario would have been realistic. Today, all it will get is laughter and derision.

What happened to our beloved country? Liberalism happened. Look at Detroit: That will be America only a few years from now unless this madness is stopped.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: provide, 7/5/2014 7:04:57 AM     (No. 9911643)

Maybe some of them are realizing that they need to protect their government entitlements.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/5/2014 7:07:44 AM     (No. 9911646)

It is more than hispanics that are reactive. This whole open borders policy is chaotic, destructive and reactive. Everybody is reactive and Obama wins out of the chaos then everybody become poorer. Obama and more chaos is the only winner. Is there an open borders policy in any of the countries that these people are coming from? Never! They are all dirt poor as the USA will be very soon. We need sensible non reactive policies both in America and in all the poor countries to bring prosperity to all. No need to leave home and take your chances on the way to get to America to have a future. Think don´t react!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: provide, 7/5/2014 7:08:07 AM     (No. 9911647)

Saw a program on the history channel that was filmed in Detriot. This guy has been all over the world. He says that the only city that now looks like Detroit is Chernobyl.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: planetgeo, 7/5/2014 8:00:39 AM     (No. 9911690)

I have lived among Latinos for most of my life. In general, they are hard-working, family-oriented, decent people whose values are much more aligned with conservatives than with liberals.

It is absurd that the Republican Party is so dumb that its leaders can´t figure that out or come up with a plan and laws that will define immigration in a way that actually attracts Latinos to the party.

#1 is on the right track. Streamline the paperwork and conditions for entry, including work visas. Require proper documentation and evidence of payment of taxes as a condition for receiving of benefits. And encourage entrepreneurial development (something most Latinos desire and which the Republican Party should be championing).

One of the biggest impediments for the above approach is the big business (and especially agri-business) crony capitalists in the Republican Party who want cheap labor and who also want to hire them on a cash only basis, so THEY don´t have to pay employment taxes for their labor. There is the crux of the problem and the root cause of the schizophrenia in the Chamber of Commerce cabal of the Republican establishment. THEY want straight amnesty and open borders just as much as the Democrats.

Fix that, Tea Party, and we´ll finally have the start of the solution.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rotten In Denmark, 7/5/2014 8:03:28 AM     (No. 9911692)

When push-comes-to-shove the wagons get circled. Their allegiance for far too many lies not with the US.

This is what happens when our immigration focus shifts from our natural heritage of Europe and the productive to the teeming masses and messes from elsewhere who refuse to become Americsns. A pox on illegals and their supporters.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Rinktum, 7/5/2014 8:51:20 AM     (No. 9911732)

Cloward/Piven. Nothing more, nothing less. Obama and his progressive cabal are purposefully destroying this country enabled by a bunch of cowardly politicians who are unable to articulate an argument against this lawlessness out of fear of being labeled anti-Hispanic. Pray tell me, when will their pro-American taxpayer mindset kick in?

Encouraging these children to come here, and we know Obama had to facilitate the logistics of it all with Mexican authorities, is an unconscionable act for a President. Obama is using children as human shields to promote his political policies. Hispanics take note. Look around at the black community. You will see your future. Obama and his cronies want votes and power. They are not concerned with your dreams of a better life. Look at Detroit. It is an example of the complete failure of their progressive ideology and if you throw your lot in with them, it will be your future.



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Reply 8 - Posted by: MDConservative, 7/5/2014 9:38:41 AM     (No. 9911767)

Politics is not a logical process that creates the best solution out of compromise and principle. Immigration is a perfect illustration. What is horrifying is that the entire Federal government is complicit in a surrender of national sovereignty. Those charged with enforcing our sovereignty and maintain our borders and national security are derelict, and no problem, even if Mexican military helicopters open fire or gangs like MS13 take our streets and corrupt our cops. It´s not a matter of paperwork, or waiting periods, or any of that nonsense. It´s a bi-partisan disaster that is not waiting to happen...it´s happening...not just along the border.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: wtm, 7/5/2014 9:45:38 AM     (No. 9911774)

The biggest reason for this chaos right now, is because the Dems need Dem voters!

This mass push is to make that happen!

The American LoFo´s are slowly waking up, and the Dems need to replace them.

Expect more from the Dems on giving these people complete Amnesty, and VOTING RIGHTS before the 2014 and 2016 elections!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bighambone, 7/5/2014 10:02:08 AM     (No. 9911792)

If the Hispanics mentioned are of foreign origin themselves. Their primary allegiance lies with illegal aliens coming from their specific homelands over a general allegiance to the USA, and it´s, to them, complex and obscure immigration laws. As they have been told from the get-go by the very liberal ethnic and immigrant rights groups that the immigration laws discriminate against foreigners.

It does not matter to them that the immigration laws are legitimately designed to legally discriminate against foreigners in a manner that Congress, decides what classes of foreigners can enter and stay in the USA in accordance with the best interests of the USA; instead of foreigners themselves aided by special interest groups and foreign governments deciding that the USA should simply accept all comers, and eventually reward them all with amnesty. As illustrated by Omama´s "let´s give everybody who wants to come here a shot" non-enforcement of the immigration laws policies, that essentially allow an unlimited number of poor and uneducated illegal aliens to stay in the USA. Clearly Obama could care less that the vast majority of those people will have to be highly subsidized through all sorts of social welfare programs indefinitely.

Obama is pushing a massive liberal Democrat amnesty as a remedy to fix the nation´s immigration problems under the guise of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform". A bill that is really one big stink bomb that will not stop the flow of illegal aliens coming across the borderline, but in essence would legalize that flow.



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Reply 11 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 7/5/2014 10:49:00 AM     (No. 9911861)

somewhat glossed over is the reality of tribalism. It´s real, even if it´s not politically correct to admit to it.
And it´s not restricted to that over-broad class of "Hispanics". I´ve seen Greeks do likewise. Italians, another over-broad classification, forgive the awful behavior of a fellow Calabrian, or Neapolitan. Want to talk about how the Irish will overlook ghastly behavior from someone else from County Cork?
Mexicans from Oaxaca might well give a pass to someone else from there, will less forgiving of someone from Sinaloa. And much less for a Guatemalan, especially an Indio.
So take some of these polls with a room sized grain of salt.
What is conspicuously lacking is a respect for blind justice and rule of law. In part, that is a reflection of the corrupt cultures they came from. But it´s also an indictment of the current "correct" attitudes that discourage true assimilation. I know 2nd and 3rd generation types, primarily Mexican, who scorn the use of English and still do not consider themselves to be Americans. And support reconquista to this day. And we are allowing more like them to enter. This is what Jebbie calls acts of love. It´s nothing of the kind.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Hotrod, 7/5/2014 11:49:36 AM     (No. 9911924)

Stop all foreign aid, or other monetary aid, to all countries involved in this crisis and maybe things would change quickly.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 7/5/2014 11:49:50 AM     (No. 9911925)

I will never associate with a political party that participates in tribal identity politics. The idea of pandering to Mexicans to get their vote is repulsive to American values. If Mexicans won´t vote GOP because the GOP believes in borders, why in the name of heaven would you want their votes? Here´s the real problem the GOP has with Mexicans - too may european-americans. They will never vote for the "white male" party no matter how much you pander to them.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: lazyman, 7/5/2014 12:51:42 PM     (No. 9911965)

They will report for Social Security Disability and should have the system run out of money a lot earlier now.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: Caveman, 7/5/2014 1:36:21 PM     (No. 9912006)

If you are a Hispanic or of some Hispanic origin, whether you are an immigrant or not, your days of leisure and getting along with your fellow gringos at work are coming to an end. People are starting to really get fed up with this stuff. Those are the people that should be the loudest protesters of the all.
Similar to the middle/working class two parent black families that must be extremely disappointed in their fellow low life brethren.
The backlash that will come from this invasion will affect everyday Hispanics, more than anyone else.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: dman, 7/5/2014 1:51:56 PM     (No. 9912028)

Hopefully, legal Hispanics will see this latest invasion the way the Cubans saw the Mariels. They must think why they came to this country in the first place. I doubt they want to turn it into the country they left.

I just wish the House leadership would stop worrying about the next election, do what the Constitution provides, and let the chips fall. They need to consider how they will win without our votes. That´s what they should do, not what they probably will do.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: TXknitter, 7/5/2014 2:16:46 PM     (No. 9912049)

I too have lived among and with Mexicans most of my life. Most people do when you are raised in Texas. The Mexicans who are 50 yrs old plus are different than many of those 30 and younger. The attitude of the older folks is indeed hard work, traditional values and very little of this very strong allegiance to Mexico stuff. They will tell you that America is THEIR country. Their children have been indoctrinated in the importance of their Mexican heritage. They have an attitude toward whites just like blacks with a chip on their shoulder do. They innately feel America owes them, unwed pregnancies are rampant in their community. The immigration spigot, even legal, from the south should be slowed to a trickle. I do not accept that we cannot do with importing all manner of ill-educated Mexicans who ARE going to be welfare-dependent for most of their needs for years and years.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: peterfleming, 7/5/2014 4:53:02 PM     (No. 9912169)

You know who you are, who keep using "liberal" and "progressive", when you mean collectivist, statist, communist
socialist Fascist. Why are you fearful of using the correct, meaningful, more forceful words? Why avoid the truth?

Liberal means freedom, progressive means just that
These anti liberal RETROgressives, are destroying, tying to destroy this country and cling them only nice sounding names is like giving them a pass, protecting them.

Wake up! It´s grownup time ! They´re all behaving like beautifully Communist Party Line indoctrinated propagandists, with every move they make against us.

These are not fuzzy liberals, these are all REDS.
Mexicans did not move here to live in another Mexican style
government of corruption. True, we need some outspoken
Latins, not traitorous Rubios.

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Posted By: StormCnter- 7/21/2014 4:47:26 AM     Post Reply
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) reportedly plans to dispatch the Texas National Guard to the U.S. border with Mexico, according to news reports. Perry will announce his plans Monday to mobilize some 1,000 guardsmen to the Rio Grande Valley to increase security at the border, according to the Monitor, a south Texas newspaper. The newspaper quoted a state senator and an internal memo it obtained from a state official’s office. Perry spokesman Felix Browne told The Washington Post he would neither confirm nor deny the report, but said all details will be given at a news conference at 2 p.m. Central time

Bill Clinton: Hillary
needs time to decide

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The Hill (Washington, D.C.), by Rebecca Shabad    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/21/2014 12:29:53 PM     Post Reply
Former President Bill Clinton said his wife Hillary Clinton needs time to think about what her message to voters would be if she runs for president in 2016. She "really does need some time to think through this,” now that her memoir Hard Choices has been published, he said in an interview with CNN. "We´ve reached a point in our life when we think you really shouldn´t run for office if you don´t have a clear idea of what you can do and a unique contribution you can make and you can outline that," Clinton added. "Now that the book is done,

   

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