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Where Are Libertarians
When You Need Them?

Power Line, by John Hinderaker

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Posted By:MDMuskrat, 7/3/2014 8:28:12 AM

Every major strand of American conservatism includes a strong libertarian streak, because the value of liberty is fundamental to just about all conservative thought. But today, especially, is said to be the libertarians’ moment. What once was a fringe movement, politically speaking, has moved front and center in our political life. And yet, in my view, libertarians of both the capital L and small l varieties punch below their weight. They have not contributed as much as they should to the conservative movement. This is partly because libertarians tend to founder on foreign policy, where many are merely modern-day isolationists. But

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Libertarians -- and all of us -- must fight to roll back the administrative state.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: catfur27, 7/3/2014 8:52:43 AM     (No. 9909439)

..unfortunately the Reality is that "rolling back on the administrative state" would be HEAVILY reported to the sheep as "taking away your rights...to free obamaphones..free food stamps...free medical coverage...free rent assistance...free birth control pills...etc etc etc..."...massive resistance would ensue.

...until conservatives /libertarians take control of some of the major media outlets they are fighting an unwinnable battle.

...PLUS...most Libertarians I´ve met, unfortunately , are "purists"...they would rather NOT vote than vote for someone who is 100% in line with them...hence we have Czar zippy.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: catfur27, 7/3/2014 8:54:00 AM     (No. 9909443)

.correction: ..."...who is NOT 100% in line with them"

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Clinger, 7/3/2014 9:02:02 AM     (No. 9909465)

Great article a "must read" in my mind. The American recovery movement has not found it´s legs yet. Mr. Hinderacker nails the shortcomings of the Libertarian vanguard of the pushback against the statism movement calling itself Progressive. The Coolidge quote is phenomenal, this will now be in my personal tool kit for debate; makes the case far more succinctly and concisely than anything I ever read or attempted to conjure up.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dman, 7/3/2014 9:02:57 AM     (No. 9909466)

A must read. Libertarians, whether in the formal Libertarian Party or as major participants in the myriad Tea Parties, simply need to prioritize.

"But it is also because they have tended to focus on secondary, or tertiary, issues of domestic policy." Exactly. Issues like Agenda 21. Coupled with an over-isolationist view of foreign matters, the political energy desperately needed to fight the statists has been misdirected, diffused, and dissipated.

That is why a new party is needed to consolidate all the disjoint libertarian groups, focus their energy on what most critically must be done, and elect representatives who will do it.

And no, the GOP isn´t it. It is part of the problem.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: IdahoSky, 7/3/2014 9:15:45 AM     (No. 9909484)

How can you "roll back the administrative state" when Americans demand social security without means testing, free health care for everyone, a deduction for interest on their mortgage, agricultural subsidies, and a seemingly endless array of benefits and pork.
Everyone is fine cutting his neighbor´s benefits, but he screams like a stuck hog when anyone dares to touch his.
If you get a government check, you are part of the problem.


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Reply 6 - Posted by: plex, 7/3/2014 9:28:42 AM     (No. 9909504)

Well, I get a SS check because money was taken from me during my working years and "invested" for me. Give me the money I contributed (keep the interest) and forget the monthly check. One needs to be a little careful with sweeping arguments.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 7/3/2014 9:44:08 AM     (No. 9909526)

Rush frequently states that when you boil libertarians down to the basics, all they really want is to be left alone to smoke their dope in peace. If that is true, then I suspect that most libertarians have cmoved to Colorado and are smoking their brains out, leaving them in no shape to fight for greater causes.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 7/3/2014 9:49:31 AM     (No. 9909541)

Perhaps because libertarians are despised by conservatives and liberals alike. As a libertarian I don´t see any reason to associate with conservatives. We don´t share the same values or goals. I don´t support big government, perpetual warfare, foreign military interventionism, or mixing religion and politics. I don´t believe politics is going to solve the basic conflict between freedom and totalitarian government.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: WAN2, 7/3/2014 9:52:19 AM     (No. 9909547)

Perhaps we should all just concentrate on limiting what the government can take from us? Would that not be a good beginning? A consensus builder? Bees fly to honey. Remove the honey.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: plex, 7/3/2014 10:13:27 AM     (No. 9909576)

I think of myself as mostly libertarian. My biggest beef is the isolationism. When the Constitution (pretty libertarian) was written you could tell when the country was attacked by the presence of wooden sailing ships approaching your harbors. It was pretty easy to raise a response to that threat before it got out of hand. Today you might find out about an attack when Chicago (a good target) disappears in a mushroom cloud. Foreign intervention is a MUST. On drugs; You simply cannot ban a substance. We learned that during prohibition. Making laws against drug use only drives the market underground. Legal drugs sold like alcohol gets rid of a lot of crime. There will always be people who prefer drugs to life, you cannot stop them. But remove the incentives and you won´t find dealers peddling to high school students as the money isn´t good enough.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: IdahoSky, 7/3/2014 10:38:53 AM     (No. 9909618)

Not really, #6. Your SS money was spent to keep your mom and dad and your grandparents alfoat, too. Unlike most previous generations, you didn´t have to fork over to support your folks into old age. That was the benefit you received from your contributions.
You just make my point. No one wants to give up their checks from Uncle Sugar.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 7/3/2014 10:43:46 AM     (No. 9909625)

#8 I don´t know of many conservatives who hate libertarians. Perhaps we need to define "conservative". While Republicans like to call themselves conservatives, many are not. Do not conflate the two. True conservatives share most of the libertarian values, and an alliance is very possible.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: kahunavol, 7/3/2014 1:09:08 PM     (No. 9909844)

Three of my four grandparents died before they were sixty years old. All of them paid into SS and none of them collected a dime. My father died at 60 and collected nothing. They did all get the $200 or so death benefit. They got nothing for the money taken from them. Your argument is specious.

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