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Presbyterian assembly:
Gay marriage is Christian

Associated Press, by Jeff Karoub

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Posted By:Ribicon, 6/19/2014 11:19:13 PM

Detroit — The top legislative body of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted by large margins Thursday to recognize same-sex marriage as Christian in the church constitution, adding language that marriage can be the union of "two people," not just "a man and a woman." The amendment approved by the Presbyterian General Assembly requires approval from a majority of the 172 regional presbyteries, which will vote on the change over the next year. But in a separate policy change that takes effect at the end of this week´s meeting, delegates voted to allow ministers to preside at gay weddings in states

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What a great way to shed parishioners.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 6/19/2014 11:30:20 PM     (No. 9892967)

I used to be Presbyterian, but the church left me.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: texaspast, 6/19/2014 11:34:03 PM     (No. 9892970)

They shed members a couple of years ago when this first came up. Quite a few churches split. The ones that are left in the ´assembly´ are the very liberal ones. They can vote to change the constitution of the denomination, but they can´t vote to change God´s Word. Really irritates them, too.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: columba, 6/19/2014 11:46:09 PM     (No. 9892972)

In case you need a bracer, here is the Roman Catholic take on homosexuality - from its catechism:

"Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible [thought to be 1.7% of the population]. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God´s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord´s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

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Reply 4 - Posted by: athina, 6/19/2014 11:52:42 PM     (No. 9892978)

Good luck with that, Presbyterians. I will pray for you, because false teachers will be judged most harshly.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: grady, 6/19/2014 11:55:13 PM     (No. 9892979)

When the church plays God we do not have a church.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 6/19/2014 11:55:48 PM     (No. 9892980)

Official membership stats. Note that the decline in membership has accelerated in the last few years. Maybe the left wingers are driving more folks off than in the past. Or maybe the church is just finally getting around to cleaning its rolls of inactive members.

However, we now live in the time of Obama, when leftists are so emboldened that they are almost howling at the moon. So I would guess that the membership decline is very real.

1990 2,856,713 -1.36
1991 2,815,045 -1.48
1992 2,780,406 -1.25
1993 2,742,192 -1.39
1994 2,698,262 -1.63
1995 2,665,276 -1.24
1996 2,631,466 -1.28
1997 2,609,191 -0.85
1998 2,587,674 -0.83
1999 2,560,201 -1.07
2000 2,525,330 -1.38
2001 2,493,781 -1.27
2002 2,451,969 -1.71
2003 2,405,311 -1.94
2004 2,362,136 -1.83
2005 2,316,662 -2.10
2006 2,267,118 -2.05
2007 2,209,546 -2.61
2008 2,140,165 -3.23
2009 2,077,138 -3.03
2010 2,016,091 -3.03
2011 1,952,287 -3.29
2012 1,849,496 -5.26
2013 1,760,200 -4.83

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Reply 7 - Posted by: CharlyG, 6/19/2014 11:56:25 PM     (No. 9892981)

That won´t happen in the PCA. We broke off in the 80s.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: psych53, 6/20/2014 12:01:03 AM     (No. 9892983)

We´ve been watching the evolution of this for the past few years in my church. Unfortunately, it looks like my denomination is going to lose another congregation when we leave for a bible-based denomination. And quite a few other churches in Pennsylvania are going to be leaving with us. This is so sad.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: kono, 6/20/2014 12:02:23 AM     (No. 9892984)

It may be Christian.
It just isn´t real.

People willing to trade reality for happy feelings might as well just do drugs.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Muguy, 6/20/2014 12:02:38 AM     (No. 9892985)

When Jesus said to love one another as Jesus loved the Church, He didn´t mean for men to lust after men.

Lord help us!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Grumpy Yee, 6/20/2014 12:04:50 AM     (No. 9892987)

Sorry for the Presbyterian(USA), they left the Christian church along time ago and became very humanist.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: msjena, 6/20/2014 12:19:45 AM     (No. 9892996)

Where is the Biblical authority for this amendment. And if there is no Biblical authority, how can the Presbyterian Church USA still call itself reformed Protestant? I grew up attending a Presbyterian church but left over 10 years ago because the denomination has lost its way. They still sing A Mighty Fortress is our God but they have strayed far from the teachings of Martin Luther or John Knox.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Howard Adams, 6/20/2014 12:32:27 AM     (No. 9893003)

The other demographic that is hurting the PresbyChurch USA is age. I would like to see the age distribution of its members. Surely the mode of the distribution by decade is members in their 60´s and the mean age is probably about 50.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Seniorchief, 6/20/2014 2:10:17 AM     (No. 9893053)

I believe John Knox is rolling in his grave. One of the stated objectives of the early reformed (Protestant) churches in the beginning of the Reformation was to get Christianity to return to the fundamentals of the faith as revealed in the Bible. How then does the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)reconcile itself with what Bible clearly states about homosexuality and its perverse redefinition of marriage. I´m not Protestant myself, but my heart goes out to my fellow Christian brethren.

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