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A historic victory for America’s kids
New York Daily News, by Campbell Brown

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Posted By:garnet, 6/11/2014 9:14:04 AM

The case began with courageous students, because they had to endure the nightmare: grossly incompetent teachers, mainly in poor and minority schools, protected by state laws. And when the court ruling thundered down Tuesday, the impact was profoundly clear: Students, you win. Sweeping and unambiguous, the outcome of Vergara v. California is more than one decision in one big state, although even that much is significant given the shudders it will cause. It is an indictment of laws in any state that protect inferior teachers at the expense of students — and a powerful inspiration for other families nationwide

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Mushroom, 6/11/2014 9:40:14 AM     (No. 9881387)

As I understand tenure is to protect the free exchange of ideas without fear of losing one´s job. I can understand it being appropriate at University level.
Why would anyone think it was needed at Grade and High School levels? These levels are for foundational training and are not places for opinion.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 6/11/2014 9:54:06 AM     (No. 9881411)

Hmm, just a thought. This could be turned around and used as a way to purge the system of conservative teachers that don´t toe the liberal, socialist line. Every silver lining has a back side to it that may not be so shiny.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Elvira, 6/11/2014 10:00:37 AM     (No. 9881427)

Yes! Yes! Yes!!! Finally!!! Although it´s 20 years too late for my children, I have been hoping and praying for this!

In 7th grade on of my daughter´s math teachers, who later it was found out that he had been transferred her school for grabbing a boy by the shirt and slamming him up against a wall, was mercilessly harassed by said teacher in front of the class every day. One day she came home and told me that while they were supposed to be working on math problems he was in a discussion with a boy in the front row about the sex scene in a movie where the woman is an alien and her tail came up out of the man´s mouth. I tried and tried and couldn´t get that teacher out of the school system and he knew it. He would smirk at every meeting, knowing that nothing would happen.

Our tax dollars pay these people - how many are having sex with students?? Enough!! We have to take our country back!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dman, 6/11/2014 10:10:44 AM     (No. 9881444)

This tremor from CA was masked by the one in VA, but must still be watched. It may well have "legs".

#1: I oppose tenure anywhere: from the classroom to civil service to the courtroom. The "reasons" for it have long been disproved. It just doesn´t work. Let all employees, especially those who work for the taxpayers, justify their existence. There are too many qualified people out of work.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: dman, 6/11/2014 10:11:52 AM     (No. 9881453)

#2: The answer is private schools and vouchers. Let the parents choose.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Pinchem, 6/11/2014 11:15:14 AM     (No. 9881560)

For those who can´t use their heads for something besides a hat rack or a place to store a wig, there are two sides to tenure.

The one that most talk about here in making it difficult to get rid of bad teachers.

But then what protection does a teacher have against a hateful parent who accuses you of false allegations? A child who doesn´t like their teacher can go home and lie like a dog telling mom and dad any story of mistreatment, inappropriate touching, hitting, whatever.

Now the parents want you fried and hung out to dry base on their kid´s story, when you have done absolutely done nothing wrong.

What about the students to harass and hit on teachers just to get them in trouble?
Does that make you proud as much as getting rid of bad teachers?

People then wonder why no one wants to go into the teaching profession.

Would it not be better to have an impartial board evaluate the competence of teachers, evaluate incidences between teacher and students? If the allegations are true then dismissal would be appropriate. If they allegations are false and contrived then perhaps the parents/children should be punished/expelled.

I say this because my daughter was a victim of a vicious parent who was just after a paycheck by trying to sue, as most low lifes try to do. But the Union stepped in, check it out and my daughter was found to be innocent of the charges. The child was then expelled from school.

If you are not as much against vindictive parents/children as you are about poor ineffective teachers, and finding a solution that works for both, then you should not be in the discussion.


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Reply 7 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 6/11/2014 2:46:35 PM     (No. 9881852)

there are two sides on this. I know.
My late mother got caught up in one of these ugly situation. She lost her contract in a small school system in eastern Ohio because she gave a kid the grade he´d earned, not the one his parents felt that their "standing" in the community entitled him to.
Such things are by no means unknown, and are frankly part of the reason behind unions and tenure. Mom hated the union (membership became a requirement) in the next district in which she taught, but this kind of garbage is behind such things.
And if you know anyone on a local school board, you might ask - in very general terms - about such things. Answers might shock you. By the way, while I hate to admit it, widespread things like this had more than a bit to do with the push for standardized testing. I´ve lost track, in my professional life, of the number of employees sporting new High School diplomas, who can not READ!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Mushroom, 6/11/2014 2:59:28 PM     (No. 9881869)

#6 You hit on the real basis of the problem. Those outside the ´teaching´ profession are not permitted to converse on the subject. Sad that you cultivate that attitude.

Union=/=Tenure. Child care workers do not get tenure, bus drivers do not get tenure Yet those people are just as exposed to manevolent childern as a teacher.

Even your own second hand case was adjudicated by the union. *NOTHING* to do with tenure.

Have a nice life.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 6/11/2014 4:00:32 PM     (No. 9881943)

Wow! This from THE Campbell Brown and the NYDN! Who´da thunk it. Thanx, OP, for a good one.

Though totally ignorant of this Vergara case until this article, I rejoice at the ruling and the precedent-setting implications. Kudos to Judge Rolf Treu. The effect of retaining bad teachers due to tenure, or for any reason, does indeed "shock the conscience."

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