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The Case for Reparations
Atlantic, by Ta-Nehisi Coates

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Posted By:StormCnter, 5/22/2014 5:10:53 AM

And if thy brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the

Ta-Nehisi Coates writes a lot of angry stuff. I´ve read it for years. This one is getting a LOT of media attention. New Republic´s Isaac Chotiner says "Get ready..."


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 5/22/2014 5:23:06 AM     (No. 9857469)

I am in favor of reparations. Any surviving former slave-owners should be required to make reparations to any surviving former slaves.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Country Boy, 5/22/2014 5:29:00 AM     (No. 9857470)

If it´s so bad here, give them all first class tickets back to the hell-hole backwater swamp country of their choice in Africa. Would be a win-win.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: PChristopher, 5/22/2014 5:32:02 AM     (No. 9857473)

Gee...an angry young black man and son of a ´former´ black panther, feels like America won´t be whole until reparations are paid. If some idiot government, like ours with the African Poseur, decides we need to pay, it will never end, it will never be enough...no amount of money will ever wash away the pain or the guilt in their view. He can quote the Bible all he wants, but I´m not going to willingly contribute one red cent.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: abiner, 5/22/2014 5:43:43 AM     (No. 9857476)

So reparations rears its ugly head again.

I would like to offer, as a counter to Ta-Nahisi´s arguments, that my reparations should be considered first.

I´m Jewish. To make a long story short, that means,

1. I´ve been blamed (and punished)for every bad thing that has ever befallen the human race. This started back during the reign of the Pharaohs, and is still going on, both in Europe and the Middle East.

2. I´ve been burned in ovens, forced into slavery, restricted in my choice of professions, thrown out of every country in Europe, made to live in ghettos, forced into compulsory military service (Russia), and forced to convert to Catholicism under threat of torture.

Ergo, as soon as I get my reparations from every country in the UK, Europe, and Russia, I´ll be happy to support it for Blacks.

Until then, sit down and shut up.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Topic Thunder, 5/22/2014 6:01:23 AM     (No. 9857482)

The author just made one very powerful case against reparations with all them Bible quotes i.e. the separation of Church and State.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: rinohunter, 5/22/2014 6:15:56 AM     (No. 9857488)

Taking your average negro out of the darkest parts of Africa in the 17th or 18th century was the greatest thing that ever happened to them! I´d like to challenge anyone with any bollocks to suggest that the present day negro PAY the U.S. government for bringing them to this land of plenty and opportunity. The negro that became a slave was rescued from a life of what? - malaria, disease, incivility, savagery...? OK, there were some that were inhumanely treated but so were scores of other indigents and immigrants. And let´s not forget the slaves were freed and allowed a life of freedom and opportunity. So far all that I have seen has been squandered opportunity after squandered opportunity!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: larryk, 5/22/2014 6:28:15 AM     (No. 9857494)

360,000 white men gave their lives to end slavery. Your welcome. s/o

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Civilservant, 5/22/2014 6:32:41 AM     (No. 9857499)

Fine. Even though i´ll miss West, Sowell, Williams etc......each gets $100k......and a one way ticket.
I am done with this horse manure.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: fobo, 5/22/2014 6:58:15 AM     (No. 9857519)

One of many complaints from the article: "The neighborhood is 92 percent black. Its homicide rate is 45 per 100,000—triple the rate of the city as a whole."

Somehow I doubt that whites are going into that neighborhood to commit murders.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: paral04, 5/22/2014 7:04:14 AM     (No. 9857525)

Since the first slave holder in the US was black and over 6000 black families owned slaves by the beginning of the Civil War there is a dilemma. How do you separate the descendants of slaves from those who owned them? Surely those whose ancestors owned slaves deserve nothing. Then you have the Black Africans who have come after the Civil War and are riding on the coat tails of those whose ancestors were slaves but demand special treatment.

An example of this is Barak Obama. His father´s family were Muslim slave traders who sold Christians to the Europeans who brought the here to be sold into slavery. descendants of black who were slaves and should receive. Yet, Obama got all the EEOC goodies.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: a6bogie, 5/22/2014 7:07:20 AM     (No. 9857529)

Ever since LBJ´s Great Society we have been paying reparations. I´d say we´ve overpaid.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Mai Bad, 5/22/2014 7:13:15 AM     (No. 9857535)

Yo...yo.... Many African Americans subscribe to the notion that the Pharos in Egypt were black. Well since I´m part Jew and the filthy Pharos held my ancestors in slavery for many years, I am hereby demanding reparations from all blacks. Including those that now reside in the US. PAY UP beaches.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 5/22/2014 7:25:33 AM     (No. 9857541)

#11 and I are on the same page. Thanks to that big jerk, we have been paying reparations for 50 years. And paying. And paying. No guilt or sympathy here, and was not formerly racist.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: tsquare, 5/22/2014 7:36:22 AM     (No. 9857548)

No amount of atonement can compensate for the injustices cited in the article. For lynching of whites and blacks. For thefts of livelihood and property. For degradation of the spirit. Even if compensation could be monetized, atonement is an act between an offender and a victim. The suggestion that people such as my children, who certainly were not offenders of these historic injustices, should be stripped of their property in order to pay compensation to peers of another skin color, who were certainly not their victims, is a travesty.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: dcomd, 5/22/2014 7:54:14 AM     (No. 9857568)

It was a black man who sold the first black man INTO slavery!

Where do I go for my reparations?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: The Architect, 5/22/2014 7:59:56 AM     (No. 9857576)

The majority of my ancestors came here from Ireland. They never owned slaves and in fact, quite a few of them died fighting for the Union. More recently, my Grandfather, who came from West Virginia never owned any slaves. Neither did his Irish born wife, my grandmother. My other grandparents came from Nova Scotia and Ireland respectively. They didn´t own any slaves either. My father came from Philadelphia and my mother came from Rhode Island. I don´t remember any slaves hanging around our little FHA tract house growing up. I have never owned any slaves, but have been working like one myself for the past 50 years to provide for my own family and educate my seven children. I´m pretty sure they don´t have any slaves either. So now, why don´t you tell me why I owe you anything Ta-Nehisi? I know you were never a slave and certainly nobody in my family ever oppressed you. Whats the mater? Aren´t you getting enough free stuff from the government?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MeiDei, 5/22/2014 8:01:30 AM     (No. 9857581)

I regret I can only give one vote up for #14.
The author highlights many of the injustices done to blacks in recent times, meaning the 50´s & 60´s Chicago. That was bad. There is no way to assess today´s citizens for reparations in a fair way - too many people came to this country as refugees (and suffered similar adversity) after WWI and WWII. I didn´t see him mention the Pigford Scandal & the falsified 1 & 2 payouts.

It is much easier to quote the Bible book, chapter & verse than to actually live it. I have black friends who live & walk in faith, & are loving, forgiving people and therefore have & are a joy.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Clinger, 5/22/2014 8:09:43 AM     (No. 9857591)

So just how much should I pay as a pasty white descendent of a slave, who´s GGGGpapy was killed in the war freeing the slaves? I know my family history pretty darned well and there were no slave owners.

Do I get reparations or do I pay them? What about the mixed race "African Americans" who have the blood of former slaves and slave owners? The entire concept is ridiculous.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: StormCnter, 5/22/2014 8:15:16 AM     (No. 9857601)

One half of my ancestral history is Scots-Irish immigrants arriving here before the Revolution, eventually settling in the South and, yes, becoming slave-holders. There were several of my forefathers who owned slaves, some owning a few and some owning many. The other half of my ancestry tracks back to England and Germany, also before the Revolution, but this group never came South of Tennessee, migrating west instead and never owned a slave, not a one. I hate the history of slavery, I grieve for the wrongs and I try to understand the anger black people retain even today. But, reparations in the forms Coates advocates would be impossible to assess and even more impossible to distribute. We waste time and breath even considering it.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: kahunavol, 5/22/2014 9:11:26 AM     (No. 9857666)

I love it when atheists quote Scripture as a form of argument. They understand that the appeal to morality should have some basis beyond their own opinion. (The writer has said he is an atheist.)

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Udanja99, 5/22/2014 9:14:02 AM     (No. 9857675)

I´m with you, #6. American blacks should get down on their knees and thank God that their ancestors were brought here as slaves. Otherwise they would be squatting in the slums of Africa, dying of AIDS, and living in fear of some rival tribe hacking them to death with machetes.

And just what would most blacks do with reparations cash? Buy drugs and illegal guns for the men and acrylic nails and hair extenders for the women? They would blow through the cash in a weekend and then demand more. Am I stereotyping? Yes, but stereotypes exist for a reason. Example number one - Rodney King.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: MattMusson, 5/22/2014 9:20:19 AM     (No. 9857685)

Obama is the Great Reparation.

(But - it would have been way cheaper to give black people 40 acres and a mule.)

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Reply 23 - Posted by: periwinkel, 5/22/2014 9:36:44 AM     (No. 9857715)

If you handed every black person in the US $1 million, in five years those same people would be be back to the place they were when you handed them the money.

Except for a tiny minority, they refuse to educate themselves and their children and insist on recycling the poverty mentality.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: jar, 5/22/2014 9:50:45 AM     (No. 9857750)

A late friend of mine whose ancestor was one of the largest slave owners in America was the recipient of a large trust fund formed by her grandfather, passed through her mother to her, with a stipulation that the trust should continue to be passed to heirs, and if no heirs existed, should then pass to the bank that was administering it. My friend died with no heirs. The bank now has the millions in question. Should the bank pay reparations?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: MissMolly, 5/22/2014 10:04:26 AM     (No. 9857779)

#23´s comment smears the large numbers of solid-citizen, hard-working black families who face the same challenges as everyone else. They are educating their children, teaching in schools, administering healthcare, supporting their cities and working to control crime in their neighborhoods. Every black is not drawing welfare and committing felonies.

Give up the offensive generalizations.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: stonepony, 5/22/2014 12:23:46 PM     (No. 9858045)

If you do the math, a solid case could be made for this idea. The numbers might be off a little bit but if one was to add up the costs of having AA the break even number is around 500K. Included in that number are the obvious costs of welfare, food stamps, medicate, section VIII housing, education, etc. The not so obvious costs are things like prisons, extra police, higher insurance rates for all types of insurance, alarm installation, etc.

So give each one a suitcase with 500K and a one way ticket to their choice of homelands in Africa. I am sure they would be welcomed with opened arms and they could live the life most of them believe they should be able to live.

Equally they would not be harmed by racism

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Reply 27 - Posted by: goose, 5/22/2014 1:56:57 PM     (No. 9858183)

Remember that constitution thingy? I seem to recall something from civics class (?!?). Its in the part near that "bill of attainder" thing. If a guy commits a crime, you cannot arrest and punish his family for that crime. Reparations for slavery would punish family members for that "crime." So, prima facie, ipso facto, e pluribus Unum it´s unconstitutional (as if that has stopped this gang before).

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Reply 28 - Posted by: saguni, 5/22/2014 4:18:21 PM     (No. 9858362)

Some of my earliest American ancestors were my Great-Great Grandfather and his brother, who arrived on these shores around the time of the Civil War, and joined the Union Army while earning their citizenship.

My GG Grandfather fell on hard times, and to pay off his debts, he "sold" my then 8 year old Great Grandmother, as an indentured servant to a seamstress (before Singer Sewing Machines improved their life) to work until she turned 18. She spent her childhood sitting in a corner, trying to make even 12-to-the-inch stitches from sunup to sundown, and sometimes by candlelight, being beaten for "sloppy" work.

The thing is, most (of course not all) slave owners knew that one has to feed and care for a slave just as one would feed and care for "any other" farm animal, if one mistreats a slave until he dies, you´ve lost the "investment" in the price of the slave, and must pay for another.

Most (of course not all) holders of an indentured servant contract had less invested...there were always more people coming off the immigrant boats to "hire." My great grandmother told me, before she died, of the beatings and near starvation diet she endured at the hands of her "employer," and her joy at receiving her freedom at age 18. Millions of Irish and other immigrants signed their own "indentured servant" contracts to pay "passage" on the ships that brought them here.

So, how much do I owe? My direct family member suffered also.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 5/22/2014 4:48:03 PM     (No. 9858398)

This whole idea is outside the arena of reason. The Bible excuse is full of holes. Any reparations due must come from the one who wronged you. Nobody in the USA today is or was a slave owner. We owe nobody anyhing!
1.5% of the population in the days of slavery actually owned slaves. Why would those who did not, owe the freed slaves even then? If this young man turned his efforts toward bettering himself he might just "free" himself from this preposterous thinking.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) yesterday described herself as a “lioness” when it comes to protecting children. She also called not only for the U.S. government to process minors arriving illegally from Central America on a “case-by-case basis" but for the government to “treat the Mexican kids the way they treat the non-contiguous country kids.” “Quite frankly, I would rather they treat the Mexican kids the way they treat the non-contiguous country kids,” Pelosi said at a Capitol Hill press conference on Thursday, claiming that sending these children back to their home countries would be like “sending them back into a

Ted Cruz Doesn’t Echo Sarah
Palin’s Impeachment Call

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National Review Online, by Joel Gehrke    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/10/2014 8:52:47 AM     Post Reply
Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas) chose not to echo Sarah Palin’s call for House Republicans to impeach President Obama, though he reiterated his belief in the “lawlessness” of the president. “That is a decision for the House of Representatives,” Cruz told National Review Online when asked if he agrees with Palin. ”I serve as the ranking member of the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and, in that capacity, I have been working hard to describe in comprehensive detail the lawlessness of President Obama and the Obama administration. We’ve put out a series of reports about the consistent pattern of

Family rescued at sea says satellite cell phone
service provider left them in a life-or-death crisis

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KGTV [San Diego, CA], by Allison Ash    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 7/11/2014 11:35:38 AM     Post Reply
SAN DIEGO - The family that drew national attention when they were rescued at sea off their sailboat, Rebel Heart, in April is finally setting the record straight. Charlotte and Eric Kaufman and their two daughters were about 1,000 miles west of Cabo San Lucas in the Sea of Cortez when 1-year old Lyra became sick. That was when their adventure of a lifetime turned into a nightmare. It began with a fever, then a rash and then Lyra became lethargic. That was when the couple used their satellite cell phone to call a doctor. He advised them to begin treating Lyra

Sarah Palin´s impeachment nonsense
could keep Democrats in power

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Washington Examiner [DC], by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 7/12/2014 5:02:52 AM     Post Reply
“Without borders, there is no nation,” former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wrote in a Breitbart op-ed this week. “Obama knows this. Opening our borders to a flood of illegal immigrants is deliberate. This is his fundamental transformation of America ... President Obama´s rewarding of lawlessness, including his own, is the foundational problem here ... It´s time to impeach; and on behalf of American workers and legal immigrants of all backgrounds, we should vehemently oppose any politician on the Left or Right who would hesitate in voting for articles of impeachment.” That this desperate cry for attention (dangling participle and all)

Flake Admits Backlash Against Immigration
Reform, But Doesn´t ´Understand´

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Breitbart TV, by Jeff Poor    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/10/2014 10:34:02 AM     Post Reply
In an appearance on Fox News Channel’s “Special Report” on Wednesday, Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) discussed the current state of affairs surrounding the issue of immigration. Flake, the guest of the show’s occasionally occurring “Center Seat” segment, admitted the rise of a populist movement opposing any immigration reform movement that included a version of amnesty. However, he admitted to being perplexed as to why there’s such an opposition stating there’s a need for not only low-skill labor “particularly in the agricultural areas and hospitality areas,” but high-skill labor of “those in the STEM fields.” Partial transcript as follows: STEPHEN HAYES, Weekly Standard: You

Mexican train derails, stranding 1,300
migrants headed toward U.S.

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Reuters, by Lizbeth Diaz    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/10/2014 1:39:05 PM     Post Reply
A cargo train used by Mexicans and Central Americans to travel toward the U.S. border derailed in the southern Mexican state of Oaxaca on Wednesday, stranding about 1,300 migrants, emergency services said. Many of the migrants aboard were young people and nobody was injured when the train nicknamed "the Beast" came off the tracks, a spokesman for local emergency services said. Since last October, more than 50,000 unaccompanied minors, most from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, have been caught illegally crossing the southwest border of the United States. Children say that they are fleeing violence at home and hope that they will be

Karl Rove to GOP: Work with Obama
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Politico, by Sarah Smith    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/10/2014 6:18:23 PM     Post Reply
Unlike many of his Republican colleagues, Karl Rove advocated Thursday for bipartisan compromise on immigration. “Republicans have to look at this as an opportunity that they have to work,” the Republican strategist said on the Fox News program “Happening Now.” “It’s an opportunity to get some things done to help secure the border.” He suggested that in working with President Barack Obama’s $3.7 billion request for additional funds to deal with the current immigration crisis, Republicans could make policy gains like increasing the amount of border patrols. “They ought to sit down in good faith,” he said of Republicans and the

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