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Pope Demands ´Legitimate
Redistribution´ of Wealth

Associated Press, by Nicole Winfield

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 5/9/2014 9:04:41 AM

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today. Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who met in Rome this week. Latin America´s first pope has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity, though his predecessors have voiced similar concerns. On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote

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Heavy sigh. As if the corrupt, criminal agency the U.N. needs encouragement to push redistribution of wealth. That´s all they strive for!! This will make the sick radical leftists everywhere so happy.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 5/9/2014 9:09:05 AM     (No. 9841994)

New set of twennyfos fo my Excalade!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pros7767, 5/9/2014 9:09:39 AM     (No. 9841995)

Perhaps he should set the example by selling off the massive wealth of the Vatican.

The more he talks, the more disappointed I am in him.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Toledo, 5/9/2014 9:11:15 AM     (No. 9842000)

Here we go again. He is not talking about America. There are many, many third world countries that we give aid to that never trickles down to the poor. Think about the Muslim countries rich in resources and fabulous wealth that are never shared with the poor. he is not a Marxist but he has a right to address this. This is the real reason for poverty around the globe.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 5/9/2014 9:12:59 AM     (No. 9842004)

Here´s a message for our dear Pope. When you liquidate all the catholic church´s assets and redistribute them to the unfortunate……I then may follow. But until then stay out of politics!!!!!

Because of this pope, the church will not receive a penny from me or my family.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Pdmccas, 5/9/2014 9:13:31 AM     (No. 9842006)

That is your job buddy! Sell all that bling in Vatican City and give it to the poor. Of course, if you can get the governments of the world to confiscate private wealth and redistribute it, it allows the church to keep living in luxury.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Newtsche, 5/9/2014 9:13:42 AM     (No. 9842007)

What in the hell is an "economy of exclusion"?


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Reply 7 - Posted by: rinohunter, 5/9/2014 9:15:26 AM     (No. 9842009)

Pope´s are not infallible. This is one big error if not a deep fault on P. Franciso´s part. I can understand a priest/bishop´s concern for the poor as it should be everyone´s. However speaking to one of the most illegitimate and corrupt bodies of the world i.e. the U.N., is the real mistake. I hope that this Pope wasn´t impressed with the movie "Shoes of the Fisherman". It´s almost as if I´m watching said movie in real time. Finally as someone who was educated by the Jesuits, as the Holy Father is, I can´t help but recall how over-rated and phony I found most of them. They certainly are impressed by themselves.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 5/9/2014 9:15:55 AM     (No. 9842011)

A communist in a robe and funnny hat

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Reply 9 - Posted by: WAN2, 5/9/2014 9:23:38 AM     (No. 9842035)

Apparently Mom had divine intervention when she scolded us with: SHARE AND SHARE ALIKE as Dad was rebuked for telling us to: GET BACK UP ON THAT BIKE! Moms are kinder and gentler, don´t you know?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Coy860, 5/9/2014 9:24:06 AM     (No. 9842037)

Pope Johnnie one-note. He spent his life among the poor, and is unaware/ignorant of the hard working people who actually PUT the money in the collection baskets all over the world.
Without them the Church would be bankrupt.
Governments should NOT get involved in charity.
They are giving away other peoples´ money.
Soon the "other people" will have none.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: tinnyanko, 5/9/2014 9:28:46 AM     (No. 9842049)

I thought Ldotters were smarter than what is being shown on this post. You do realize that everything he says is being reported by the Associated Press and translated the way they want. Once again he is not talking about the West. I think we should stop giving aid to countries like Pakistan and others till it goes to help the poor. That is what he is talking about. That is what Jesus was all about too.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: lakerman1, 5/9/2014 9:29:37 AM     (No. 9842051)

No one should be surprised that a Jesuit priest from South America, steeped in liberation theology would say this.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: turninggrey, 5/9/2014 9:30:28 AM     (No. 9842053)

As a lifetime Catholic who is only holding onto my ties to the church out of family loyalty, my message to the Pope is "You ain´t the only game in town" and I am about to take my family, my wealth, and probably all my heirs over to another church. Dear Pope Francis, You need to remember your human failings. Stay the f out of my pockets, and let Saint Peter deem if I have been generous enough on Earth.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 5/9/2014 9:32:20 AM     (No. 9842054)

The last time I checked, in America, we have about half the population living off of the other half already. Just how much more does he think can be taken from the richer half before they all "go Galt"?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: pinger, 5/9/2014 9:33:01 AM     (No. 9842058)

Perhaps the Pope should pray for people to have ambition, self-reliance, goal-orientation, and a work ethic as opposed to Marxism.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: lanika, 5/9/2014 9:34:25 AM     (No. 9842061)

The wealth of the church does not belong to the church. It was meant to honor God and to fund the good works it does around the world. If it sold everything, all that would stop. The Shoes of the Fisherman was written by an idealist and shouldn´t be taken as a wisdom. All around the world, the church has missions, schools, hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes all dealing with the wretched and poor. good luck with replacing them


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Reply 17 - Posted by: shamus, 5/9/2014 9:35:10 AM     (No. 9842063)

Vatican City is a treasure house. If this talk is serious, then that vast horde of wealth should be used to help the poor.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Drive, 5/9/2014 9:37:48 AM     (No. 9842070)

Then what? It would only help the poor now not the ones who come in the future. Jesus said the poor will always be with us but He would not.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 5/9/2014 9:39:02 AM     (No. 9842075)

Finally, a religious figure the MSM will praise instead of denigrate. All he had to do was show a bit of Marxism.

He should, however, be cautious because he will get McCained in the end.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Tusker, 5/9/2014 9:50:58 AM     (No. 9842089)

Well, start with Hollywood and then listen to socialist squealing all up and down Sunset Blvd.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Illinois Mom, 5/9/2014 9:51:50 AM     (No. 9842092)

As was stated above Pope Francis is NOT speaking to the U.S.

Believe it or not he has a very BIG world to deal with.

When we send aid to the to starving children Africa for example....what happens more ofter than not? Their governments STEAL it and it never reaches the poor for whom it was intended.

In this country the poorest person is wealthy by world standards. Why do we need Doctors without Borders, Hospital Ships, Missionaries and volunteers? Because the bad governments do NOTHING for any of their people.

When the Pope speaks to us, and other reasonable modern countries about helping the poor, he is NOT saying that the government´s job to "redistribute " our wealth. He is challenging the INDIVIDUAL as Jesus did to give to charity of our own free will. How does it benefit our souls (Which is what he is talking about)if it does not come from our hearts?

Stop falling for the interpretations the MSM spews. They have already set race relations back 50+ years...now we have to endure misinterpretations of everything Pope Francis says. AND...right on cue the Anti-Catholic forces take the bait.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: Keekng, 5/9/2014 9:53:22 AM     (No. 9842096)

#3 is correct but that is not what the AP will report.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 5/9/2014 9:57:21 AM     (No. 9842105)

Fifteen minutes after the white smoke went up, I could have told you this Pope is a Socialist/Marxist. Anyone paying attention knew it. You can´t live the way he´s lived all of his life and done the work he´s done and not think that the "rich" should give more and more and more and more --until everyone is lifted up out of poverty and we´re all equal.

There´s just one thing wrong with that, and we all know what it is.

I´m sure he´s a good and honorable man.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: PChristopher, 5/9/2014 10:01:09 AM     (No. 9842110)

Petrus Romanus can redistribute whatever money HE happens to make. I´m keeping mine.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: BRDG, 5/9/2014 10:06:49 AM     (No. 9842120)

Obama is handing out 75 billion MORE per month in entitlements than Bush. Poverty has gone from 12 to 16%, dropouts have gone from 12 to 16%.

The Pope is an idiot. Redistribution of wealth makes things worse. Education and job opportunity should be the focus.


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Reply 26 - Posted by: lonestarm3, 5/9/2014 10:07:46 AM     (No. 9842121)

The pope should watch the old Anthony Quinn movie, "Shoes of the Fisherman."

If it is wrong to own more than one coat while someone is Outer Distopistan has none, then its is wrong for the Catholic Church to hoard a vast trove amassed by harvesting widow´s mites for more than 1500 years.

Charity is a good, but by definition voluntary. Nothing in either the bible or our american constitution legitimizes the confiscation of property from one for distribution to another.

The pope should be at least vaguely familiar with the biblical commandment, "Thou shalt not steal."

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Reply 27 - Posted by: JimS, 5/9/2014 10:12:11 AM     (No. 9842138)

It seems that the AP headline, as well as mostly all of the posters on this forum missed the Pope´s big message in speaking out against the "culture of death" and abortion.
Everyone focuses on the "redistribution of wealth" and assumes it applies to the USA--which it does not. The USA already redistributes its wealth, with 48% paying no taxes, and the $-billions in foreign aid to poor countries.
I doubt many other prosperous nations can compare to the USA in its generosity. When was the last time you heard about foreign aid to 3rd World from Switzerland, Norway, Russia, etc.?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Italiano, 5/9/2014 10:23:52 AM     (No. 9842161)

Note to Socialists the world over. You can stop quoting the only Bible verse you´ve probably ever read or heard about. Jesus never said that everything belongs to Caesar. Here´s another one for the Democrat Voting Base: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 5/9/2014 10:24:51 AM     (No. 9842162)

Show us the way, Padre. I´m certain you have a few shiny baubles a palaces laying around that you could sell for the poor to give the rest of us a good example.

Oh, and BTW, when you urge "redistribution" are you not asking governments to violate the Seventh Commandment?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: QRP, 5/9/2014 10:29:02 AM     (No. 9842166)

So just how much in the offering plate goes Rome?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: mc squared, 5/9/2014 10:39:13 AM     (No. 9842179)

I saw this happening back when I was being raised Catholic.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: oh-heck, 5/9/2014 10:40:32 AM     (No. 9842186)

The teachings of the Catholic Church are on line. There is balance between solidarity with the poor and subsidiarity which is the idea that problems should be tackled as much as possible by action of the community at the lowest level possible. So dealing with the hungry and sick should be done at the community level not the state or federal level. Think if you will of all the community hospitals, schools, and orphanages built in this country by religious orders with cooperation from the local town or city and contributions of time and money from the wealthy capitalists. When a Pope speaks he has all this in his thoughts as background. He does not usually try to restate this balance when making a short statement. But even if he had, the press in the US is going to only select those parts that seem to support Obama. They don´t support Obama, but only seem to.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: North Range, 5/9/2014 10:41:15 AM     (No. 9842188)

A marxist president and a communist pope. I don´t listen to either one but I know a great many Catholics must be very disappointed.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: marthaville, 5/9/2014 10:47:58 AM     (No. 9842207)

Certainly the Roman Catholic Church could lead by example. While many live in miserable squalor in Marxist controlled countries, the Vatican is the chief example of opulence and greed.

It is time for the Roman Catholic Church, for once, to lead by example and give it all away. Sell the jewels and the gold, sell the real estate and sell the investments.

It the pope is the head of the organization, and he believes wealth should be redistributed, it is past time for redistribution by the Roman Catholics.

Of course this will never happen.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 5/9/2014 10:48:30 AM     (No. 9842210)

Admonishment to my fellow Ldotters:

Please read #3 and #22 and consider that this is a report by the Associated Press.



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Reply 36 - Posted by: pineledger, 5/9/2014 10:52:25 AM     (No. 9842218)

Sorry, he´s a Commie. Needs to return to South America, where that plan works so well.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Hermoine, 5/9/2014 11:04:37 AM     (No. 9842233)

Just sprinkling a little Latin Liberation Theology around the U.N. (not like they haven´t heard it before), -- I´m sure all the attendees were just foaming at the mouth as they listened to him.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: FLCracker, 5/9/2014 11:06:56 AM     (No. 9842237)

#12, I "liked" your comment for the 2nd paragraph: all the freaking ads and other stuff.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: kono, 5/9/2014 11:08:17 AM     (No. 9842240)

I expect what Francis said will upset me and other Conservatives.
I will not let AP or anyone else associated with the MSM tell me what he said, though. They have a long track record of mischaracterizing papal statements and church teachings in ways that align more closely with the PC attitudes pervading the ´progressive´ elites in the MSM.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: bighambone, 5/9/2014 11:21:31 AM     (No. 9842265)

The poor are always going to be with us not even a Pope can make them disappear. If money were taken from the rich with every poor person then given an equal amount of money enough to take them out of poverty tomorrow, in ten years the vast majority of them would be poor again, and the money would be back in the hands of the people who had it in the first place. In human nature some people are wired to generate wealth and a lot more are not, that´s just the way it is!

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Reply 41 - Posted by: civilservant, 5/9/2014 11:23:00 AM     (No. 9842273)

#´s 3,22, 35 & 39.....Yes, we allknow it is what AP is reporting.
The problem is, if one needs to drll down into the theology/ideology/nuance of the comments, we on the Right have already lost. It is what AP reports that the LoFo´s read and mimic.
"See, see Catholics,your POPE says you should be all into redistribution!!"

If these idiots won´t listen to the economic FACTS that rebutt their policies, what makes you think that they will listen to our theological explanations of what PF says?

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Reply 42 - Posted by: killerbee, 5/9/2014 11:31:56 AM     (No. 9842284)

The pope needs to read the history of Live Aid and what happened when millions of dollars and thousands of lbs of food were "redistributed" to poor countries.

It´s not about where the wealth is. It´s about freedom of opportunity to generate it for yourself.

Give a man a fish/teach a man to fish. It´s quaint, but simple. Sheesh.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: LC Hoghead, 5/9/2014 11:48:31 AM     (No. 9842317)

Hey Frank, maybe you should get rid of all your pedophile priests before you tell others how to live.
Hypocrite !

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Italiano, 5/9/2014 11:51:34 AM     (No. 9842319)

Why is it that every time "income is redistributed," the politicians and their cronies end up with 99% of it? Every time, everywhere, throughout history.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: luandir, 5/9/2014 11:53:43 AM     (No. 9842325)

If governments had any wealth of their own to redistribute, they might be said to be acting in a "spirit of generosity." I´m afraid His Holiness is putting too much faith in Caesar to care for God´s flock.


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Reply 46 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 5/9/2014 12:20:21 PM     (No. 9842365)

Listen Your Holiness - - stick to faith and morals.

Economics is way beyond the scope of your mission. Please don´t make me hold a newspaper in front of my face to cover my giggles when you speak on the subject.

Didn´t Jesus preach that wealth and material things were inconsequential? So - - why are you so obsessed with them?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: AltaD, 5/9/2014 12:22:45 PM     (No. 9842371)

Jesuit (shaking my head and rolling my eyes).

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Reply 48 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/9/2014 12:30:45 PM     (No. 9842386)

I can´t find the place where he limited his "demands" to everyone but the United States. Could some smarter person point that out for me?

Obie is feeling all warm and fuzzy after reading this very supportive pronouncement. Hiw visit was worthwhile.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: mickturn, 5/9/2014 12:55:04 PM     (No. 9842440)

OK, Fine, Let´s start with the Vaticans Trillions and Treasures. Lead by EXAMPLE!

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Reply 50 - Posted by: mitzi, 5/9/2014 12:55:30 PM     (No. 9842441)

I can´t believe all you folks are talking AP´s report as "gospel."

Or maybe it´s just your deeply ingrained anti-Catholic bias/prejudice coming to the surface.

I´m really disappointed in many of you!



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Reply 51 - Posted by: stablemoney, 5/9/2014 1:10:49 PM     (No. 9842471)

This pope is a disappointment and already a failure. I despise socialists who are not generous themselves, but advocate stealing other people´s property so they can be Santa Claus.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 5/9/2014 1:19:09 PM     (No. 9842489)

"Or maybe it´s just your deeply ingrained anti-Catholic bias/prejudice coming to the surface."

Respectfully, if you have to resort to calling out imagined "bias" or "prejudice" instead of responding to your critics´ arguments/observations, you´re not much different than the folks running this country now.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 5/9/2014 1:21:29 PM     (No. 9842494)

Please tell me, Frank, what does "legitimate redistribution" mean exactly, and who gets to define it?

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Reply 54 - Posted by: kono, 5/9/2014 1:52:17 PM     (No. 9842547)

The pope was not stating the position that the AP claims he was.

We can apply that rule to EVERY article by the MSM about something the Vatican, Catholic Church, Pope, et al, say or do. It is not accurately related in the network news´ reports. Twisting what comes out of Rome to say what the ´progressive´ elite want people to think was said is in the MSM´s DNA.

That so many Ldotters let anti-Catholic sentiment motivate them to give the benefit of the doubt to a MSM news that at no other time is considered credible in the least... that is disappointing.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: mutant geezer, 5/9/2014 2:25:41 PM     (No. 9842597)

Regardless of what you people think about religion, the reality of human nature and economics is the governing factor here. The population consists of ambitious people and lazy people; of smart people and not so smart people. If all the wealth was distributed equally over the whole population, within a relatively short period of time the people who were wealthy before would be wealthy again and those who were poor would be poor again. If you think about it, the rich are already getting their wealth redistributed to the poor. Who do you think pays 80% of the taxes?

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Reply 56 - Posted by: msjena, 5/9/2014 2:37:19 PM     (No. 9842605)

Regardless of what the Pope actually said or actually meant, he needs to realize how statements like these will be seized upon by people with a political agenda that is at odds with what the Church teaches.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Emerson, 5/9/2014 3:14:57 PM     (No. 9842635)

If the Pope was misunderstood, perhaps he needs to be more specific rather than issuing a blanket demand for "legitimate redistribution" (can anyone here define that for me?).

The Pope is the head of the global Catholic church. His words speak to the entire world - including us - unless he qualifies them.

Characterizing those who are puzzled and concerned about his remarks as "anti-Catholic", and dismissing their concerns or attributing them to AP misreporting, seems like a rather blind, kneejerk reaction.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 5/9/2014 3:43:02 PM     (No. 9842651)

This AP article on the Pope’s speech to a meeting of UN agency directors in Rome offers a scant few direct quotes; "economy of exclusion," "worldwide ethical mobilization," and "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society." All offered without the context needed to frame a correct understanding of the Pontiff’s concluding statement. Note the use of the word “legitimate” modifying “redistribution” in regards to “economic benefits.” Are not our “economic benefits” being illegitimately regulated and redistributed by the myriad federal agencies?

The Pope said nothing about confiscating or stealing the goods of some citizens to redistribute to others. I fail to see anything in the Pope’s own words, that is remotely supportive of totalitarian marxist ideas. You wouldn’t believe the AP spin on anything Ted Cruz said and you’d search out his entire statement. Give Pope Francis the same.

In his earlier “Evangellii Gaudium,” he describes how people are subject to increasing inequality, violence, and facing a life devoid of dignity. The Pontiff then states, “We are in an age of knowledge and information, which has led to new and often anonymous kinds of power.”

Many of us are well aware of the worldwide manipulation of national currencies and stock markets by George Soros and Maurice Strong. True capitalism has been usurped and replaced with a fascistic crony capitalism whose participants wield “anonymous kinds of power.” Today college graduates cannot find work, their parents have been forced out of the labor force, and those still working face increasing tax burdens placed upon them by “anonymous kinds of power”: power, not wielded by legitimate representatives, but power by hidden others who control via bribery and blackmail.

This is the “economy of exclusion.”


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Reply 59 - Posted by: Coy860, 5/9/2014 3:43:39 PM     (No. 9842653)

#21. Please don´t paint as anti Catholic anyone who takes issue with this Pope. I am Catholic, but I see things as they are.
Pope Francis has ONLY given ammunition to the liberals, socialists and communists with the phrase "Legitimate Redistribution".
Rather the Pope elevate the work ethic, and personal responsibility.
What is the definition of charity? What is the definition of "Legitimate Redistribution" ?

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Reply 60 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 5/9/2014 3:43:55 PM     (No. 9842654)

Globalization enables an elite few to manipulate wealth while governments fail to exercise any form of control. Francis describes this as “a new tyranny…invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules.” The Pontiff concludes, “Behind this attitude lurks a rejection of ethics and a rejection of God. Ethics has come to be viewed with a certain scornful derision. It is seen as counterproductive, too human, because it makes money and power relative.”

This is “worldwide ethical mobilization.”

Francis quotes the apostle James, “The wages of the laborer who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out.” One can certainly make the case that burdensome and confiscatory taxes are “wages kept back by fraud.” Francis wrote, “The private ownership of goods is justified by the need to protect and increase them, so that they can better serve the common good.”

He continued, “Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life.” Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby conduct their enterprises based upon Biblical principles that support their employees and their communities, and have realized this ideal.

The Pontiff stated, “Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses.” He knows long-term dependence upon the government robs the poor of their right to self-determination and states clearly, “The dignity of each human person and the pursuit of the common good are concerns which ought to shape all economic policies.”

This is "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."

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Reply 61 - Posted by: KTWO, 5/9/2014 3:47:31 PM     (No. 9842659)

He doesn´t have to contend with the problems of a true government.

Wait until a thousand Occupy Vatican activists arrive and pitch tents in the square.

A few months with Occupy and with Romanian immigrant families lodged in its spare rooms would make the Vatican a wonder of the world.

I might add a true government doesn´t contend with those problems either, no homeless wander about the Rose Garden.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 5/9/2014 3:57:25 PM     (No. 9842663)

Instead of slamming those who are concerned by the Pope´s "demand" as anti-Catholic, how about one of the good Catholic LDotters finding the actual transcript of the Pope´s remarks translated into English?

I am no more interested in any individual´s interpretation of the Pope´s words than I am in the AP´s.

Where is the transcript?

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Reply 63 - Posted by: ArtieC, 5/9/2014 4:38:55 PM     (No. 9842701)

I´m sure the Pope will redistribute the Vatican´s wealth first, right? Right?

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Reply 64 - Posted by: mitzi, 5/9/2014 5:01:39 PM     (No. 9842715)

The Vatican has a news agency and posts "official" translations.

An essential principle of management is the refusal to be satisfied with current results and to press forward, in the conviction that those gains are only consolidated by working to achieve even more. In the case of global political and economic organization, much more needs to be achieved, since an important part of humanity does not share in the benefits of progress and is in fact relegated to the status of second-class citizens. Future Sustainable Development Goals must therefore be formulated and carried out with generosity and courage, so that they can have a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger, attain more substantial results in protecting the environment, ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development. Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustice and resisting the “economy of exclusion”, the “throwaway culture” and the “culture of death” which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted.

You can find the remainder of the address here:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2014/may/documents/papa-francesco_20140509_consiglio-nazioni-unite.html

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Reply 65 - Posted by: shamus, 5/10/2014 9:22:50 PM     (No. 9844034)

The Vatican has trillions in wealth sitting around in vaults doing nothing. If it rented the art treasures so that people around the world could see them in museums it would have billions of dollars to help the poor, while still retaining all its wealth. If the church truly wanted to help the poor, they should start by using their assets, rather than calling for confiscation of the assets of others.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: ok state mom, 5/10/2014 9:44:56 PM     (No. 9844050)

"The Sermon on the Mount" makes many a preacher uncomfortable.

Again, Pope Francis is preaching this to the world...not the US. It´s not always about us all the time.

With an appropriate/accountable receiving system I could see him selling the gold of the Vatican off before he is all said and done. He´s not going to throw it from the papal window.


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Reply 67 - Posted by: ok state mom, 5/10/2014 9:55:27 PM     (No. 9844058)

"ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development. Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustice and resisting the “economy of exclusion”, the “throwaway culture” and the “culture of death” which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted."

Does this not refer to a renaissance of society where work is considered dignified and productive? Society is expected to work and carry their fair share of the load? Where there are no throw away babies, children, or adult?

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Reply 68 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 5/10/2014 10:20:12 PM     (No. 9844076)

The context of this discussion...redistributing wealth so all can be equal is not a Christian, Biblical concept. In the New Testament any such teaching was to be applied to your local church family and neighborhoods. If we followed this today, governments would not be involved in the process of helping the poorer among us to find work, food, housing. Locals and churches and church charities would be doing it. We all know that moneys sent abroad almost never reach the needy. Do you remember all the millions we sent to the Clinton effort to raise money for Haiti after their destruction? 10+ years later, there are no houses built, people still live in squalor and we are still being asked to send money to Haiti.

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