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Uncivil Disobedience
Weekly Standard, by The Scrapbook

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 4/22/2014 4:46:15 PM

For the sake of argument, The Scrapbook is willing to concede that it is possible that Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher, ought to be allowed to graze his cattle on federal land in Nye County. And that protecting the desert tortoise as an endangered species on that same federal land is no good reason to impose a fee for grazing livestock. Reasonable people can disagree about these issues, and will do so. But in the United States of America, since 1789, we have had ways of settling these disputes. We have a judicial system that gives citizens due process and

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Reply 1 - Posted by: MattMusson, 4/22/2014 5:10:21 PM     (No. 9820731)

But the tortoise numbers have rebounded so significantly it is not even on the threatened list!

This was not about turtles. This was about Harry Reid using the BLM to clear our ranchers so he can profit from sweetheart solar deals.

Also - the BLM charter states unequivically that it DOES NOT SUPERCEDE EXISTING AGREEMENTS.

If Bundy had unlimited funds he could fight and win in court. But he is being squeezed and the government is being totalitarian.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pros7767, 4/22/2014 5:17:06 PM     (No. 9820740)

The problem with the premise of the article is that the justice system actually provides due process. The judiciary is stacked with liberal, agenda driven judges.

Most Americans do not have the financial resources to challenge inappropriate land grabs or federal intervention. As such, the government feels free to steal from the people knowing they cannot afford to challenge them.

I never thought I would live to see this day. How sad for our country that things have gotten this out of hand.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: minuteman, 4/22/2014 5:24:31 PM     (No. 9820748)

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 4/22/2014 5:33:58 PM     (No. 9820759)

Yep, the finest justice system money can buy!
The finest crony political system, too, where former assistants get nominated to positions of power (think BLM chief here), and where elections become rife with corruption (see: Reid reelection thanks to busing / extorting votes of casino union members).

#3 has it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: postaway, 4/22/2014 5:36:20 PM     (No. 9820765)

The Weekly Standard fails to detail how the federal government came into possession of state property, fails to show that the Bundy family actually contracted with the federal government and fails to take into consideration the growing belief among innocent citizens that our leadership, including the judiciary, do not protect us from lawlessness. In fact, there is a growing sense among sober, responsible people that these authorities are the authors of these crimes. The article failed to answer the charge that Harry Reid and his family are behind this land grab and plan to sell the land and its resources for profit, possibly to mortal enemies of the country. This article didn´t explain anything but, rather dealt in banalities before reaching its conclusion. I am no more enlightened than I was before reading it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: alecto2, 4/22/2014 5:44:13 PM     (No. 9820774)

I´m so glad the Writs of Assistance, the Stamp Act, Sugar Act, Townsend Duties, the East India tea monopoly….were all illegal acts otherwise we´d never have revolted (or is it rebelled) or uncivilly disobeyed.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/22/2014 5:47:18 PM     (No. 9820778)

I don´t think Harry Reid´s solar/casino/Chinese development plans were part of the picture when Bundy stopped paying the grazing fees. Reid is a problem, but Bundy´s fight is a separate issue. It feels good to blame it all on Reid, who is a devil, but Mr. Bundy made his own bed.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 4/22/2014 5:50:06 PM     (No. 9820779)

Since when does the government send in dogs, tasers and a SWAT team to collect a debt?

Since Ruby Ridge where they shot a woman with a child in her arms, and the Branch Davidian compound where they burned children alive. That was another Democrat regime as I recall. Shame on them.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: JustCause, 4/22/2014 6:15:28 PM     (No. 9820803)

Specious Argument: We have a judicial system that gives citizens due process... I had to stop reading and clean up the keyboard where I snorted up my coffee I laughed so hard.

Bundy stopped paying the fees when he saw, with his own eyes, that the improvements the government told him they would do, were not done. He saw his fees being used to buy out other ranchers in the area. That´s what he said.

This Reid / Chinese deal may have happened after Bundy stopped paying, but that doesn´t mean Reid wasn´t the architect of the land grabs long ago. How long has Harry been in government? Not just the Senate. Local, State, all of it?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: 67cj5, 4/22/2014 6:31:25 PM     (No. 9820813)

Reasonable people can indeed disagree about the grazing issue and if Bundy does or does not owe the Government money. The problem however is not that the Government is owed money; if the money is owed Bundy should pay it. The problem is the militaristic way in which the BLM chose to collect the money owed. There was no need to go in with what appears to be a paramilitary operation to round up cattle. Who even knew the BLM employed snipers? I sure didn’t, and I was unaware the BLM was a police force; they shouldn’t be. The county sheriff is perfectly capable of serving warrants, and the US marshals are perfectly capable of enforcing those warrants. What the BLM did was dangerous and stupid and should never be repeated nor should it be allowed to be. The question is not grazing rights nor monetary compensation, the question is do reasonable people believe the BLM aka the Federal Government handled this situation properly?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Herder elwood, 4/22/2014 6:32:20 PM     (No. 9820816)

This particular deal may not have been on the table but you can bet the militant environmentalism was ongoing and was necessary for the next scheme (scam.)

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Reply 12 - Posted by: scott5js, 4/22/2014 7:04:53 PM     (No. 9820842)

The government has really been pretty patient with Bundy; it backed off from a violent confrontation. Would it be as patient if Black Panthers tried the same thing? I doubt it.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rakasha, 4/22/2014 8:11:02 PM     (No. 9820892)

I´m sorry, #12, would that be the same government that refused to prosecute the two Black Panthers who blocked up a voting location in Philadelphia - one holding a weapon?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: saguni, 4/22/2014 8:25:47 PM     (No. 9820910)

I heard a radio interview, but have not seen in print so I could understand the particulars, Bundy claimed that the BLM was charging him for "damages" and throughout the court proceedings the BLM never gave an accurate definition of what (or how) exactly was "damaged. Bundy also said his contract was with the state of Nevada and he had been paying, and would (if allowed) continue to pay the state.

Can anyone clear up these statements for me?
Is there a source for this, or was Bundy just blowing smoke around the situation?

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