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What made Nevada rancher fight the feds?
CNN, by Leigh Ann Caldwell

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Posted By:MissMolly, 4/19/2014 6:31:37 AM

Washington -- When the Bureau of Land Management retreated from a standoff with Cliven Bundy, a few hundred people traveled to his Nevada ranch to protest what they see as an overreach of the federal government. (Snip)Because of the cheap rent, some, including fellow cattlemen who don´t ranch on public lands, call public land ranchers "welfare ranchers" and have no sympathy for the Western lot. But Griggs said they don´t understand that ranching public land is "not a bargain." "On public lands, you might get kicked off at any moment for a turtle. That´s kind of the deal," he said.

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Mr. Bundy, instead of basing his legal claim on a refusal to recognize the federal government, would have done better to have followed the Hage strategy, which was challenging the government´s refusal to allow their livestock to access water sources that the Hages had created. The Hage family eventually prevailed, whereas Mr. Bundy´s arguments fail at every turn.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MattMusson, 4/19/2014 9:05:11 AM     (No. 9816690)

The desert tortoise numbers have improved and it is no longer even ´threatened´.

This was never about a turtle.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: coyote, 4/19/2014 9:07:55 AM     (No. 9816694)

I don´t see a constitutional issue in this situation, and Bundy is clearly in the wrong legally, but there are political issues here. The "environmentalists" want to lock up the land,or perhaps land is desired for other purposes by those with influence, and heavy-handed tactics have been used to intimidate.If this were a leftist cause, some of the media would be touting it as a "demonstration."

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Reply 3 - Posted by: TXspyder, 4/19/2014 11:21:40 AM     (No. 9816867)

If the .Gov wants his money, they put a lien on his land, if they want his land, they attack!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/19/2014 11:37:47 AM     (No. 9816886)

#3, I believe the government was there for the cattle, not his land.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: alecto2, 4/19/2014 11:44:55 AM     (No. 9816894)

#4 Without cattle he cannot maintain grazing/water rights

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/19/2014 11:57:26 AM     (No. 9816908)

Yep.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: enuf8, 4/19/2014 12:22:38 PM     (No. 9816947)

Does one realize Mr. Hage was chased off his land and during the lengthy fight died with his heirs just now receiving a judgment in their favor BUT how many 10´s of years will it take to get the Federal compensation due them.
One needs to do a bit of research as well to think this was about the CATTLE and NOT a land grab. When the BLM specifically names and individual as their Target 2 years ago to remove the Owner of property and his cattle grazing on lands which rights were granted when ancestors settled in the area.
One might try to read about the "enclave clause" and realize the Bundy´s have rights to water/forage which cannot be removed until he or his heirs no longer own the property.
I see many who consider themselves to be of the Republican leanings supporting the Democrat Senator from Nevada´s stance. What a shame.
Bundy should be now filing lawsuits against the feds for the fiasco they created--for assaults against members of his family, for destroying infrastructure and any other sundry item including harassment, implied threats, defamation by their elected Senator Harry Reid (who was NOT in the well of the Senate) when he gave a public statement that the Bundys did not pay their taxes due. Words do have meanings, Harry!


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Reply 8 - Posted by: killerbee, 4/19/2014 12:54:35 PM     (No. 9816984)

#7: thank you. I´m not surprised CNN spins for Reid. What´s really tragic is that we have so many on "our" side who scan the talking points and always, always decide in favor of the establishment and Democrats.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: columba, 4/19/2014 4:31:28 PM     (No. 9817141)

It is interesting that the explosion of over 100 atomic bombs in that area are OK, but the grazing of 1,000 cattle are a menace to a turtle.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/19/2014 5:36:01 PM     (No. 9817197)

Geez, #7. The courts ordered the BLM to remove the cattle. You can read anything you want into their motives, but the fact is they were ordered to remove the cattle, not to clear the Bundy family off their 160 acres.

The Hage family pursued their case on a completely different basis (access to their water) than Mr. Bundy has made. Although I don´t believe the Hages have yet received the award, they did prevail. Mr. Bundy has no grounds for a further lawsuit. He has lost three times with his claim that he doesn´t recognize the federal government. No, his 160 acres will not support 900 head of cattle. He has to have the federal land to feed that many.

Five hundred ninety-nine ranchers in Nevada are paying their grazing fees and dealing with the BLM. I´m sure it´s not always easy.

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