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The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead

Original Article

Posted By:Pluperfect, 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM

It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to


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Reply 1 - Posted by: The Advocate, 4/18/2014 5:54:21 AM     (No. 9815246)

Yuca Flats.
Harry Reid and Obama are defying legal rulings in yuca flats
And refusing to faithfully execute the laws.
Now they come with unclean hands against a senior citizen and his family who have bee on this land for 140
Years because of a BOGUS regulation of a tortoise to steal his land and the water that goes with it.
Ayn Rand would recognize the despicable Looters Harry and Rory Reid as the Parasites they are-
Feeding off productive Americans.
Bundy vs Reid---- Bundy in a knock out
American rancher vs corrupt politician?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bugger, 4/18/2014 6:40:06 AM     (No. 9815263)

Grace seems to completely miss or trivialize the fact that the BLM showed up heavily armed as though Bundy was a mass murderer who had hostages. It wasn´t as though the ranchers stormed the BLM office with machine guns.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/18/2014 6:54:49 AM     (No. 9815275)

#3, I have posted this before on Bundy threads, so just skip if you´re seen it. This is the way the BLM has acted for many years. The tactics weren´t designed for Mr. Bundy. In our case, the issue was rounding up some illegally adopted horses from the federal Wild Horse Adoption program. BLM employees had been fudging the paperwork, hiding the horses on our remote ranch and then planning to sell them to the slaughterhouses for tidy returns of cash. We blew the whistle, so we were the good guys, right? The BLM still showed up at the ranch, holding guns on the young family in residence for eighteen hours while the horses were rounded up with helicopters and hired cowboys for loading onto cattle trucks.

The guns and intimidating presence is how they have operated for a very long time. BTW, this was private property, not government owned.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/18/2014 6:55:10 AM     (No. 9815277)

#2. Sorry.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Michaelus, 4/18/2014 7:04:29 AM     (No. 9815286)

The author entirely misses the reason Bundy stopped paying the grazing fees. The BLM abused its authority and drove most other ranchers out of the business. The actual cost of the grazing fees is so low no one would refuse to pay them - but the conditions that the BLM started imposing make ranching impossible. This is exactly the same way government has destroyed most other small businesses. If Bundy looses eventually all beef will come from one or two politically connected corporations - and people will be told that ranching just became obsolete.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: pgvoisin, 4/18/2014 7:09:13 AM     (No. 9815291)

Young "Gracie" forgets that wild buffalo grazed the heck out of the land way before the State declared the tortoise more important than the food supply.

Stupid laws are just that and government is owned by its residence not career politicians or special interest groups.

"Gracie" is a young progressive posing as a conservative. Nice try, "Gracie"!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Passion, 4/18/2014 7:11:14 AM     (No. 9815296)

Gracie trying so hard to be the "smart reasonable conservative" in the room that she misses the entire point. Shame on her.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 4/18/2014 7:23:32 AM     (No. 9815311)

So while we are all being so reasonable here, someone please tell me why the government sent a large, black SWAT wagon and why did the BLM use Bundy´s prize bull for target practice?

I´m sorry to hear what happened to your tenants #3, but isn´t it time to publicize these tactics and rein them in? I really feel sorry for the next President because this country needs so much straightening out. He/she is going to have to be really strong.

The EPA won´t allow a Kentucky lake to be filled after fixing the dam because of a certain fish...really? Like Rand Paul says in his speeches, we thought fish liked water.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/18/2014 7:33:22 AM     (No. 9815325)

I think the larger point is that yes, the BLM is bullying and probably close to being out of control, but that really has little to do with Mr. Bundy´s situation. As the writer of this piece states, why don´t we each begin to decide which laws are posing a problem for us and then refuse to obey them? The federal income tax imposes a burden for John Doe, so maybe he can just stop paying. I´m sure the same people who rush to Mr. Bundy´s defense would also crowd around John Doe. Wouldn´t they?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: planetgeo, 4/18/2014 7:59:16 AM     (No. 9815351)

Yes, #9, the time has come to support even your John Doe hypothetical. What you are missing is that this is no longer about the Bundys. It´s about a wildly out of control government that imposes increasingly unfair and harsh laws, regulations, and taxes, pushes people and businesses beyond breaking point, and then swoops down on the ones it wants to make an example of, with paramilitary overkill.

Let´s take your example of John Doe. Should Doe continue to pay if the government decides it needs 60% of his income? How about if they want 80% someday? 90%? How about if John Doe dies before paying and they come after the Doe children for the amounts owed?

No. It´s out of control. While I would prefer that corrective action were taken by our representatives in Congress, they are strangely mute and unresponsive. The time comes for civil disobedience. That time is now.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: MattMusson, 4/18/2014 8:19:45 AM     (No. 9815374)

IT IS NOT ABOUT GRAZING CATTLE! It is not about fees or tortoises or cowboys or even the BLM!

It is about the government of the USA behaving like the government of Stalin! It is about branding common Americans at Terrorists because they have had enough!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Janjan, 4/18/2014 8:21:25 AM     (No. 9815377)

Ms. Olmstead takes the position that the American people should be blindly obedient to ´Government authority´ like wayward children. Our alternative is to hire a very expensive team of lawyers and spend the next 10-20 years feebly trying to penetrate a totally politicized Justice Department that is closely aligned to the Harry Reid´s of the world. Or we can gather a couple hundred armed and like minded citizens and cause these government employee thugs to retreat. I will take Option B.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/18/2014 8:23:07 AM     (No. 9815382)

Last post. Most of us (including my hypothetical John Doe) do not have the luxury of deciding which laws we will comply with. Whatever the BLM´s current misbehavior, Mr. Bundy, knowingly and deliberately decided not to obey the law under which he held his grazing lease. If the BLM is too aggressive, that should be addressed, but it neither erases nor justifies Mr. Bundy´s actions which pre-dated the arrival of the BLM on the leased grassland by 20 years.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 4/18/2014 8:29:54 AM     (No. 9815396)

Allowing "THE LAW" to be used as a weapon is a step closer to tyranny. By what right does the fed own 90%(?) of Nevada?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: ruready?, 4/18/2014 8:39:01 AM     (No. 9815412)

#13 Your points make perfect sense for a civilized society. They also would prohibit the Revolutionary War.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Avogadra, 4/18/2014 8:41:08 AM     (No. 9815416)

Mr. Bundy is not a perfect example of resisting government overreach, but he is a highly visible example of it. We learned what the government is capable of at Waco and Ruby Ridge. However, then we didn´t have cell phone cameras and Twitter to inform ourselves of what was going on before it was too late. Now we do.

As #11 says, the federal government is moving in a Stalinist direction. The Constitution, the law, and elected representatives seem to have no effect on it. We see the black helicopters and storm troopers come for Cliven Bundy and his family and wonder how long it will be before they come for us. This is where we must draw the line.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: hicokid, 4/18/2014 8:58:06 AM     (No. 9815439)

Exactly, #15. The United States would not exist if we had not thrown off an abusive government. Due to corrupt and competing interests, the BLM made it impossible for Bundy and other ranchers to pay exorbitant fees for ranging cattle. As Bundy said, the only management BLM was doing, was managing him out of business.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: OhMy, 4/18/2014 9:36:49 AM     (No. 9815509)

I agree with several posters that the issue goes much deeper than the author Grace discusses. The bundy standoff is compared to the war of independence and as #13 points out the USA would not exist if the rules grace applies to bundy were followed by the nations founders. A comparison was also made to Lincoln who suspended Habeas Corpus when the nation was threatened! It is good to use prudent force in defence of freedom and good for the overwhelming power of government over citizens to be restrained - but not if the government allows itself to be overthrown! When you uncork the forces of revolution it is difficult or impossible to predict how it will turn out. This is the basis of American exceptionalism. Most revolutions turn out to be destructive but because of the exceptional character of the founders this exceptional revolution was constructive. Perhaps that is what Grace was trying to say! We must all push back against tyrannical government but VERY carefully. There are many patriots who have given their lives for this nation. We need a few more who instead of taking on the federal forces in a futile gun battle will risk and possibly loose their lives in an unarmed confrontation with federal forces to unmask this threat even in the eyes of lo-fo´s It is the season when we remember that those who die are not always the looser. Happy Easter!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Stryker714, 4/18/2014 9:38:54 AM     (No. 9815510)

Reid continuing to run his mouth about this, even getting his son involved is a pretty good indication just how angry the commie establishment is that US citizens did not submit, fought back and how much it threatens their long term plans. They place high bets on Americans being passive about their unethical, criminal march towards communism. When those Federal henchmen get a taste of the very real costs of doing Obama´s bidding is going to cost them, like leaving their families fatherless, no high pay, gov issue-gun or cozy pension will compensate. If fed workers, who comprise races other than Obama and Holder get caught in the crossfire, oh well, that´s the way it goes for listening to the dictator´s orders to harass Americans.
Sometimes the flying monkeys, like on Oz, take a while to catch on but they will, just like the movie, after the witch is gone.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: AltaD, 4/18/2014 9:40:51 AM     (No. 9815514)

I view the "Bundy Ranch Rebellion" as an even more important version of Rick Santelli´s wonderful rant. Those of us who play by the rules are tired of being trampled by the Feds. The Bundy family is playing by the Feds rules now and I hope others join them.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peterfleming, 4/18/2014 9:46:11 AM     (No. 9815523)

Hollywood will not touch Stalinist Soviet tyranny.
So few Americans know about the communist state slavery of the recent past.
America seeing 200 assault troops, snipers, helicopters, war tactics attacking an elderly rancher, for threatened death, cattle theft and extinction, is an explosive turning point in American history. The government has been steadily putting all the other ranchers out of business, destroying them.
THAT´S the story!

Four different armed divisions at Waco, burned and crushed to death a religious family of men women and children, and they kept all media three miles away ....Out of the line of sight. The Clintons directed the murders through their slave,the frightening Janet Reno !

In .Nevada, ONLY FOX TV and YOUTUBE and Other hand held cameras, were on sight. ALL the other Stalinist Soviet TV services WERE MISSING. ABSENT !

It is a now a well recorded turning point in our history of Federal, Congressional CBSNBCABCCNNMSNBC
Communist fascist tyranny.

The peaceful, camera eye, Breitbart Revolution Lives !

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Rinktum, 4/18/2014 9:50:40 AM     (No. 9815530)

Folly is not a word I would use. I do not know all the legalities surrounding the Bundy situation, but I can recognize government overstepping its bounds when I see it. What troubles me are all the federal bureaucracies armed to the teeth! Unless the government´s agenda is to compel us to comply by force, this is totally unnecessary. Before Obama we weren´t buying armored vehicles and ammo for civilian use. This is pure intimidation and a test to see how much they can get away with. Troubling too are the people willing to do the government´s bidding with such ferocity. Something very dark is causing these people to act out against their fellow citizens. Finally, why isn´t any of this zeal directed toward real law breakers, the illegal aliens who pour across our border? Something is not right. This administration is outwardly hostile to the citizens of this country. Illegals, not so much.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: chicodon, 4/18/2014 9:56:22 AM     (No. 9815536)

I know why the government backed down. They were afraid of accidentally shooting a horse in an election year. Animal rights groups would have gone on a rampage. /s (only partially)

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Reply 24 - Posted by: vigilant, 4/18/2014 9:56:52 AM     (No. 9815537)

Why are the agencies of our government including the post office, become paramilitary with its own swat teams and snipers? Isn´t that the same as the federal government having a kind of standing army on our soil. Under the ultimate command of our so called president.

If anyone is still wondering why tons of ammo has been purchased by various non-law enforcement agencies, the BMI has answered the question.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Felixcat, 4/18/2014 10:02:55 AM     (No. 9815542)

#3 - If only Fox News had been around when they came for those horses - the situation might have ended differently. The federal land use agencies: BLM, Natl Park Service, US Forest Service, etc have been abusive to law abiding citizens and animals for decades. They have been picking winners and users for decades and up until now, out-of-sight of the average citizen who has never had to deal with these agencies and their goons beyond the mundane visit to a national park or forest.

One thing to note is the Dept of the Interior (BLM, NPS, FIsh & Wildlife, etc) and the US Dept of Agriculture which overseeas the US Forest Service have very different missions when it comes to the lands they are responsible for. Interior - under John Muir its founder is keep the land pristine, untouched, virgin. USDA/Forest Service and its founder Gifford Pinchot is use the land and its resources so as to ensure it has value for the generations.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: wtm, 4/18/2014 10:25:38 AM     (No. 9815573)

Both Harry and Rory Reid are getting too upset over this matter. It IS personal for Harry Reid !!
That means there is some sweet deal that poor rancher Bundy has squashed, and Harry Reid doesn´t like it !!!
Need more exposure here !!!!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: jglas, 4/18/2014 10:32:55 AM     (No. 9815583)

Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to ever attend jury duty, sell whatever we want on the streets without a license.

No Gracy, that´s exactly how reality works. People get fed up with how they´re being treated by government but they take it and take it and take it. Then one day some fruit vendor or rancher or tea drinker can´t take it anymore and stages a rebellion. That rallies the people behind him. Sometimes it leads to big changes and sometimes to more suppression waiting for a bigger spark. It is, however, very real and often the way things change.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: RancherJack, 4/18/2014 10:56:06 AM     (No. 9815626)

#13 is so far out of the park of reason the park cannot even be seen.

Pick and choose? My head exploded ..

a. From your vaunted wisdom then tell us mushrooms where to draw the line, please. Gandhi had enough and refused to obey ´Laws´. Lincoln had enough and chose not to obey the ´Law´. Every one of our Founding Fathers chose not to obey the ´Law´. So tell us less educated plebes, where do you draw the line for us so we don´t offend?

b. Grace Olmstead sits in her tufted chair and taps politely on a keyboard. She has almost certainly NEVER set one foot on land the BLM is charged by Washington to oversee.

c. READ US. V. HAGE for crying out loud!

Read USA v Hage Read USA v Hage

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Reply 29 - Posted by: OhMy, 4/18/2014 11:34:09 AM     (No. 9815678)

Clarification - I meant #15 in #18. Sorry!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: mc squared, 4/18/2014 11:54:56 AM     (No. 9815720)

While not dismissing the actions of Bundy, I´m appalled at the response by the Federal agencies.
Common sense tells me there are further actions planned and this is the first rush. It´s much like the Germans entering a town and rounding up a number of people and shooting them in the street. It teaches obedience.

This is more appropriate for an anti-invasion force on the southern border than a Ruby Ridge or Waco show of force.

Didn´t I read that there´s a general ammo shortage because the feds were buying it all up? Nah. Never mind.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 4/18/2014 12:00:44 PM     (No. 9815730)

Using Grace´s logic, then- I have to wonder what she would have written about Rosa Parks when she refused to give up her seat that fateful day? I re-read this article and replaced every thing "Bundy" with " Rosa Parks"...now it sound like some kind of fascist, KKK rant.

So, Grace is sitting there in her nice warm, cozy office keyboarding away, and has not the slightest concept of what she is really saying.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/18/2014 12:15:27 PM     (No. 9815746)

Ok, I guess THIS will be my last post, for fear of chatting. #28, I have read USA vs Hage. The legal cases were not pursued in the same manner.

I can´t post this article because this server won´t accept the url for posting purposes, but in this interview, another Nevada rancher, Demar Dahl, points out that the Hage legal strategy was very different, that Bundy looked at the Hage case and decided to go after the feds in a different way. That was apparently a mistake, since the Hages prevailed and Bundy falls short in each court.

This is from the linked article in the Las Vegas Review-Journal: An Elko County commissioner and longtime conservative Republican political activist, Dahl is a member of the board of directors of the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association and the Nevada Land Management Task Force, the latter of which seeks to bring vast stretches of our public lands under state control.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: mc squared, 4/18/2014 12:19:00 PM     (No. 9815751)

First they came for a rancher, but I´m not a rancher so I won´t speak out.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 4/18/2014 12:58:54 PM     (No. 9815818)

OP, thank you for posting this and keeping this crucial issue in the forefront of our attention.

Gracy Olmstead (yes, that is her name) is associate editor at The American Conservative. It is easy to tell that she is with a "conservative" magazine since, in this brief article she cites Time magazine. WaPo, the LV Sun, CNN, and Atlantic. And the title of her piece of...also confirms her "conservativeness." "Folly" "Rebellion"? She ain´t seen nothing yet!

But one sentence in the article defines Gracy for us. It is profound in its ignorance of what motivates free people:

"The problem with Bundy’s stance is that he has no higher end in this fight than his own interests."

Statists will never understand how important this is to a vibrant, successful society.

Bundy´s guilt or innocence, as defined in a federal court by federal lawyers is irrelevant. Cliven Bundy is much more than a man now -- he is a cause!

P.S. I love the fact that he has a copy of the Constitution peeping from his shirt pocket in several photos.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: suedotsue, 4/18/2014 12:59:14 PM     (No. 9815819)

If laws matter why isn´t BLM standing all across the US Mexico border with guns raised? Or even not suing Arizona? It would be great if the rule of law still mattered in this country but it doesn´t. The US has in effect been overthrown. The power, money, and glamor is all on the radical left. There´ no money in defending ordinary Americans from decades of radical left environmental lawsuits and ongoing efforts to force rube Americans into warehouses in cities. Unfortunately, it´s not just the radical left doing this. Influential members of the Republican permanent political class freely state we should all be forced to live near jobs and mass transit and not be allowed to have cars. Mankiw said this. The point is this must be stopped. If Bundy helped draw attention to the problem, then so be it.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: web, 4/18/2014 3:06:55 PM     (No. 9815960)

Trust the government to make something you and your family have been doing for over a century illegal. By such standards, according to Washington, we are all law-breakers. The IRS will come after you for stiffing them for 10 cents. The ATF went after David Koresh (with automatic weapons) because he "could" have converted his legal gun purchases to fully automatic weapons. They outright lied about drugmaking to get the military involved (helicopters, tanks, etc.) And I seem to remember something about rebels protesting unfair taxation... taxation without representation... a Tea Party in Boston....

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Globalwarmer, 4/18/2014 3:45:26 PM     (No. 9815998)

Most of the reasonable responses to this article have already been made. Let me just add: 2nd Amendment - 1, Tyrannical government behaviour - 0

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Tall Oak, 4/18/2014 3:57:12 PM     (No. 9816001)

FTA: “Though it’s true that the federal government’s takeover of Nevada land is decidedly frustrating to many, there are other methods of protest—less flashy and attention grabbing, perhaps, but methods which appeal to both parties and grasp the importance of compromise and persuasion.”

Really? How did that work out for Gibson Guitars? Remember the government agencies that amassed with guns drawn into the dairy business selling raw milk to customers that specifically wanted it? #3’s story was never told by the media, why? They complied. There are examples of the government’s version of compromise – you comply and we won’t shoot you. Their idea of persuasion is ultimately the same as a mugger’s, at the point of a gun.

Under the cover of law, agencies write the regulations and then they have the force of law. They take the citizens’ money through taxes and fees and hire attorneys with unlimited resources to overwhelm and outlast “We the People”. It is highly unusual for a citizen to prevail against this massive overlord, and if they do prevail, it is at a great financial loss. The phase, “You can’t fight City Hall” was coined because of truth and frustration.

We have reached the point where our government is no longer of the people, it is its own entity with different interests than those of the citizens it was created to serve. This incident is just one of many abuses that have overtaken the spirit of our nation. Are you required to follow the laws of a government that no longer honors our original covenant? Can we use discretion in following laws the way they use discretion in enforcing them? It’s time for another Constitutional Convention.

#34 stated that Bundy has become a cause, and indeed he has, a just cause.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 4/18/2014 4:00:46 PM     (No. 9816003)

Bundy is not the only one under threat of the federal government. I understand there´s a list of folks in Colorado who are being crunched underfoot, and have been for some time (like Bundy). And yet there´s no media attention paid to them.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 4/18/2014 10:09:19 PM     (No. 9816367)

Methinks Miss Grace was mis-named...

Our Maundy Thursday message last evening was about Darkness... May Light prevail in America.

Prayers for the Bundy Family...
I´ll stand with them ... and Patrick Henry...

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Reply 41 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 4/19/2014 1:15:34 AM     (No. 9816501)

Just re-read this thread... To hopefully shed further light and/or clarity on this poorly-researched article and re #13 quote, "Mr. Bundy, knowingly and deliberately decided not to obey the law under which he held his grazing lease."

That is precisely the opposite of Mr. Bundy´s position. His grazing lease was with Nevada. He did not refuse to pay Nevada.

... "it neither erases nor justifies Mr. Bundy´s actions which pre-dated the arrival of the BLM on the leased grassland by 20 years."

It was only after BLM tried "to manage him out of business" [cutting 950 cattle down to 150] these last years did he refuse to pay BLM, but then tried paying Nevada instead.

Look at a map of the 9000 acres where Bundy´s 950 cattle graze. They encompass the Virgin River Valley, in the middle of a dessert in Nevada, where Senator Harry Reid, coming to the Senate with a net-worth under $100K, has become the wealthy U.S. Senate Majority Leader, along with his son and never-before so-young at 35-year-old BLM director and former staffer, trying to sell 5000 grossly under-valued acres further south to the Chinese Government for the largest solar plant in America.

Follow the water and the $.
Another Solyndra?

Good question, #8, why did BLM kill Bundy´s two prize bulls who were already in individual pens? Beef bulls are not mean nor aggressive.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Poobah, 4/19/2014 6:31:54 AM     (No. 9816563)

Judge Napolitano suggested that the government had no right to seize the land. All they could legally do is place a lien on it which would be satisfied if the land were sold or the owner died. The video is at this link:


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Reply 43 - Posted by: MissMolly, 4/19/2014 6:35:28 AM     (No. 9816565)

I´m pretty sure Judge Napolitano was referring to the 160 acres that Mr. Bundy actually owns, not the 9000+ acres that belong to the taxpayers.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Poobah, 4/19/2014 7:56:54 AM     (No. 9816617)

Judge Napolitano WAS referring to the 160 acres that Mr. Bundy actually owned. That´s what the feds were trying to seize. They weren´t trying to seize land that Mr. Bundy didn´t own.

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The reluctance of Hamas’s “military wing”—a misnomer for the more extreme elements of its extremist leadership—to accept the cease-fire designed by Egypt is, well, logical. Let’s admit it. They do not wish to accept defeat, and the Egyptian terms are a defeat for Hamas. By attacking Israel, what has Hamas wrought? Considerable damage was done to Gaza by Israeli air power, and Gazans will be picking up the pieces for months if not longer. But Hamas proved unable to kill one single Israeli with its hundreds of rockets, and all its special tricks—tunnels, longer-range rockets, a drone—also failed. Nor could

House moving quickly on border
Politico, by Seung Min Kim & Jake Sherman    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 5:35:43 AM     Post Reply
House Republicans are moving quickly to address the growing humanitarian crisis on the southern border, possibly holding votes as soon as next week. As Congress moves closer to the monthlong August recess, the speedy action sends a clear message to Senate Democrats: Take it or leave it. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), incoming Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and a group of top lawmakers working on the border crisis are set to file a bill that very closely mirrors the legislation crafted by Texas lawmakers Sen. John Cornyn, a Republican, and Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar.

Akin says that like Joe McCarthy, he
was victim of political assassination
Post-Dispatch [St. Louis, MO], by Chuck Raasch    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:53:33 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON • In one of his first interviews since his defeat in 2012, former Rep. Todd Akin told the Post-Dispatch on Monday that he has not contemplated running for office again, and instead has focused on closing his Senate campaign and writing a book that will be released today. In a 15-minute telephone interview, the Republican Akin compared his downfall in the 2012 Missouri Senate race to that of former Sen. Joe McCarthy, R-Wis., who in the 1950s was discredited after making allegations that many thought overstated Communist influence in the U.S. government. “I use McCarthy as an example of someone who

Did the GOP Just Take a
Big Leap Forward in Data?
National Journal, by Alex Roarty    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:49:44 AM     Post Reply
Imagine a volunteer for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Arkansas, trying to assist Rep. Tom Cotton in his race against Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor, knocks on a voter´s door in Little Rock and discovers the potential GOP supporter owns a gun. In the world of voter outreach, it´s a potentially crucial piece of information; with the right pitch from a group like the National Rifle Association, for instance, it could prove decisive in getting that voter to pull the lever for Cotton. Except, in years past, it´s also the kind of information that the two separate groups would never share

Corrupting citizens for fun and profit
Washington Post, by Michael Gerson    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:39:42 AM     Post Reply
Two of the larger social trends of our time — the growth of payday gambling and the legalization of marijuana — have two things in common: They are justified as the expansion of personal liberty, and they serve the interests of an expanding government. The ideological alliance behind these changes is among the strangest in U.S. politics. Libertarians seek to lift governmental restraints on consensual acts. State governments seek sources of revenue without the political inconvenience of requesting broad tax increases. Both find common ground in encouraging and exploiting the weaknesses and addictions of citizens. (And business interests and their lobbyists,

Cheney: Any attempt to impeach
Obama would be distraction
CNN, by Jake Tapper & Sherisse Pham    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:37:13 AM     Post Reply
Although a fierce critic of Barack Obama, former Vice President Dick Cheney does not support calls from some on the far right of his party to impeach him, saying it would simply create a distraction. "I´m not prepared at this point to call for the impeachment of the President," Cheney said in an interview with CNN´s "The Lead with Jake Tapper." Cheney believes Obama is "the worst president of my lifetime" and that "Jimmy Carter might have been a better President," but impeaching him is not going to accomplish much. Both Obama and Carter are Democrats, while Cheney is a

Republicans Accuse Democrats
of Using Hobby Lobby Fallout
to ‘Score Election Year Points’
ABC News, by Jake Letterman    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:34:00 AM     Post Reply
Republicans fired back today at Democrats’ plans to counter the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision that allows a contraception exclusion for closely-held companies with religious beliefs, saying they will propose a measure of their own. It was a dose of election year reality, dashing Democratic efforts at drawing bipartisan support for their plan. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said the dialogue has been driven away from the religious freedom rationale of the ruling and distorted for political leverage. “I really am disappointed that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle would try to score election-year points by misrepresenting what the Hobby Lobby

Israel Targets Homes
of Senior Hamas Leaders
Associated Press, by Ibrahim Barzak & Peter Enav    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/16/2014 4:30:09 AM     Post Reply
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- Israel on Wednesday intensified air attacks on Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip following a failed Egyptian cease-fire effort, targeting the homes of four senior leaders of the Islamic militant movement. It also told tens of thousands of residents to leave Gaza´s border areas ahead of more strikes. The Palestinian death toll in nine days of fighting rose to 204, with some 1,450 wounded, Palestinian health officials said. On the Israeli side, one man was killed and several people were wounded since the fighting erupted on July 8. The renewed bombings came a day after Israel initially

Reporter stopped by TSA agent who
didn´t know District of Columbia is in US
WFTV [Orlando, FL], by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2014 10:49:43 AM     Post Reply
ORLANDO, Fla. — It´s something most of most students learn in elementary school -- the United States is made up of 50 states and the District of Columbia. But Channel 9´s Justin Gray found out it´s a lesson that an Orlando agent with the Transportation Safety Administration seems to have missed. Gray, who lives in Washington, D.C., was flying out of Orlando International Airport when a TSA agent said Gray´s District of Columbia driver´s license wasn´t a valid form of identification. Gray said his license is legal and up-to-date, but the TSA agent didn´t seem to know what the District of

The quiet heroism of normalcy
Times of Israel, by Daniel Polisar    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2014 7:49:50 AM     Post Reply
As the conflict between Israel and Hamas escalates, attention is focused on those individuals whose heroism is very much in the public eye: the parents of the three boys who were kidnapped and murdered, who lifted up the nation through their stoic courage and generosity of spirit; the air force pilots who are currently in the forefront and the intelligence agents who assist them in selecting targets; and the men and women who defied the skeptics to design the Iron Dome system that has been remarkably effective in protecting Israelis from rockets and missiles Palestinian terror groups are raining down

Ten Days That Shook the United States
Power Line, by Scott Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2014 7:46:00 AM     Post Reply
I took a look back at the current crisis of illegal Central American minors in the Weekly Standard article “Disorder at the border,” published in this past Friday in the new issue of the magazine. In retrospect, I think that the events of the preceding days fixed these issues in the public mind and culminated in President Obama’s notable address following his meeting in Dallas with Governor Perry. Obama had resisted the meeting with Perry, as he resisted visiting the border along the Rio Grande. In Dallas and Austin for big-buck fundraisers with his conspicuously wealthy friends, Obama was ultimately shamed

When the GOP takes the Senate
The Hill [DC], by Judd Gregg    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2014 4:52:19 AM     Post Reply
Conventional wisdom is clear that the next Congress has a considerable likelihood of being a Republican Congress. That same consensus also holds that if the GOP does indeed take control, the next two years will be marked by confrontation with the White House and even less actual legislative action than the present Congress has accomplished. To be fair, there is some compelling logic behind these conclusions. President Obama has clearly opted out of the role of governing through legislation. He has become the most defensive president since at least World War II, blaming the Congress not just for all the ills of the

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Gateway Pundit, by Jim Hoft    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 7/14/2014 11:00:03 AM     Post Reply
A Fox News exclusive reported this morning by Jana Winter inexplicably buried the lede. Winter reports that several dead children have been discovered “washed up along the riverbank” of the Rio Grande, but fails to note that there have been no reports by the Obama administration on this. This indicates a pattern of covering up dead illegal alien kids by the Obama administration. It was two weeks before news was reported on the sole child death acknowledged by the Obama administration, Gilberto Ramos, a 15 year-old boy from Guatemala whose body was found in the Texas brush dead from the

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single mothers are returned to Central America
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Daily Mail [UK], by Reuters & AP Reporter    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 7/15/2014 3:59:57 AM     Post Reply
The U.S. deported Honduran children as young as 1-1/2 years old on Monday in the first flight since President Obama pledged to speed up the process of sending back illegal immigrant minors from Central America. Fleeing violence and poverty, record numbers of children from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have crossed into the United States over the past year, sparking intense debate about how to solve the problem. Monday´s flight from New Mexico to San Pedro Sula, the city with the highest murder rate in the world, returned 17 Honduran women, as well as 12 girls and nine boys, aged

Stephen Hawking joins
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Guardian (U.K.), by Harriet Sherwood and Matthew Kalman    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/14/2014 8:28:19 AM     Post Reply
Professor Stephen Hawking is backing the academic boycott of Israel by pulling out of a conference hosted by Israeli president Shimon Peres in Jerusalem as a protest at Israel´s treatment of Palestinians. Hawking, 71, the world-renowned theoretical physicist and former Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge, had accepted an invitation to headline the fifth annual president´s conference, Facing Tomorrow, in June, which features major international personalities, attracts thousands of participants and this year will celebrate Peres´s 90th birthday. Hawking is in very poor health, but last week he wrote a brief letter to the Israeli president to say he

New emergency alert system will give
Obama the power to flip a switch and
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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
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The Obama administration quietly announced on Tuesday that it intends to change the way Americans learn about natural disasters and other major emergencies during radio and TV broadcasts, giving the president the ability to flip a switch and address the entire nation at once. The Emergency Alert System, the latest version of a program first established in 1951, blasts out emergency messages in the event of local weather emergencies, but can also be used to warn Americans about terror attacks and major natural disasters. [Snip] It can take up to 10 minutes for every radio, TV, cable and satellite provider to

Mrs. Obama Declares
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Townhall, by Todd Starnes    Original Article
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The First Lady of these United States has declared war on Chick-fil-A. It seems the home of plump juicy breasts and hot buttered buns has run afoul of the new Smart Snacks in School program. The program is a component of Mrs. Obama’s Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010. The new government regulations require snack items served in public schools to have less than two hundred calories. That includes vending machines, lunch rooms and other campus food venues. And that’s really bad news for kids at South Carolina’s Socastee High School. They’ve just learned they will no longer be allowed to buy Chick-fil-A

Lie at Heart of “Immigration
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Daily Caller, by Mickey Kaus    Original Article
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“Trust” is for Con Men: The reaction to the border chaos in Texas has accomplished one thing: It has exploded the lie at the heart of current “comprehensive” immigration reform plans. The basic structure of those plans is a swap of a) near-immediate legalization for b) increased border security in the future. The appealing idea is to let current illegals stay while taking the steps necessary to prevent further waves. The lie is the assumption that, once current illegals get their legalization, pro-immigrant activists in both parties will continue to support the second half of the bargain, the increased security. The

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Rolling Stone, by Kristen Gwynne    Original Article
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Exclusive - Sessions Warns All of Congress:
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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Matthew Boyle    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/15/2014 9:28:19 AM     Post Reply
Senate Budget Committee ranking member Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) has warned all of his colleagues in Congress that President Barack Obama’s new immigration strategy—his plans to legalize millions of illegal alien adults through executive power—could destroy America as we know it. “I write to inform you of a development that threatens the foundation of our constitutional Republic,” Sessions, Congress’s top immigration hawk, wrote in a letter that was hand-delivered to all 535 members of Congress on Monday and provided exclusively to Breitbart News. Sessions cites a recent report from the National Journal, in which reporter Major Garrett detailed how, despite the ongoing

Eric Holder: Americans Should Not
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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Charlie Spiering    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/15/2014 1:34:47 PM     Post Reply
Attorney General Eric Holder encouraged Americans not to forget race while working for justice and equality in their country. “As it stands, our society is not yet color blind -- nor should it be -- given the disparities that still afflict and divide us.” Holder explained, “We must be color brave, and we must never forget that all are made better and more prosperous if all are given equal opportunities.” Holder made his remarks during a speech at Howard University on Tuesday for the 50th Anniversary Celebration of the Civil Rights Act. “We must take into account not only the

Comic Character Archie to Die
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Breitbart´s Big Hollywood, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/14/2014 12:41:56 PM     Post Reply
On July 16, comic character Archie Andrews, of Life With Archie, will die after being shot while protecting gay friend Kevin Keller. Keller is "Archie Comics´ first openly gay character." According to the Associated Press, Keller is "a married military veteran and newly elected senator who´s pushing for more gun control in Riverdale after his husband was involved in a shooting." Archie Comics´ publisher and co-CEO Jon Goldwater said the way in which Archie will die was carefully chosen. While he could have been killed saving "Betty" or saving "Veronica," doing so for Keller was something "that would really resonate

Behind the scenes at the
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New York Post, by Geoff Earle    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 7/15/2014 5:04:05 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — It was an enduring image of his presidency: a chastened Bill Clinton walking his dog while wife Hillary keeps her distance as the family leaves town at the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal — but it was all part of a contrived public-repentance campaign, according to a new book. With Bill on the skids and his wife’s future prospects on the line, it was necessary for the pubic to see the president being punished, said Weekly Standard online editor Daniel Halper in his new book, “Clinton, Inc.: The Audacious Rebuilding of a Political Machine.” “They understood that

Obama a "shark" at the pool table,
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CBS News, by Stephanie Condon    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/14/2014 4:33:37 PM     Post Reply
President Obama is known for being competitive on the basketball court, but he´s also apparently a cutthroat pool player. Gov. John Hickenlooper, D-Colo., told reporters at the National Governors Association meeting on Sunday that the president surprised him by beat him in two consecutive games. To add insult to injury, the two were playing at the Wynkoop Brewing Company, a bar that Hickenlooper co-founded. "You know I´ll tell ya -- the man is a shark," Hickenlooper told reporters, Time reports. "I was up a few balls. I felt pretty good. I was actually wondering whether how hard should I --

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