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Media-Suppressed Nevada Case History
Shines Truth on Government Ranch invaders

Canada Free Press, by Judi McLeod

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Posted By:snowcloud, 4/11/2014 12:08:32 PM

Coming clearly through the throbbing of helicopters and the roar of the SUVS of the feds harassing the Cliven Bundy Ranch, patriots there for Bundy should “tell it to the judge”. There is mainstream media-suppressed case history in Nevada the feds are desperately trying to keep under wraps. Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada smacked down high-handed, abusive feds, sending the pretend cowboys riding roughshod over Western ranchers and property owners back to their cobweb-laced offices in 2013. In spite of their 200 armed snipers with boy toys in tow, those Stetson-wearing feds hunkering down on Cliven

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 4/11/2014 12:16:36 PM     (No. 9807044)

The last paragraph says it all.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Toledo, 4/11/2014 12:24:27 PM     (No. 9807049)

Nothing on MSNBC, very little on CNN, lots in the UK

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/11/2014 12:40:18 PM     (No. 9807071)

Okay, listen. This story is a hysterical rehash of a case that has no bearing on the current Bundy situation. Mr. Hage owned his land. Mr. Bundy owns 150 acres that is not involved in his dispute with the BLM. The confrontation is over land that does not belong to Mr. Bundy, but which his family has leased from the federal government for generations. No one is trying to evict Mr. Bundy from his 150 acres, but to evict his cattle from federal grazing lands (not adjoining his 150 acres) on which Mr. Bundy has not paid lease fees for more than twenty years.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Starlady, 4/11/2014 1:03:13 PM     (No. 9807108)

Mr Bundy has paid the STATE lease fees to use the land. He says this land is a state issue and the federal lease fees are illegal, thus he refuses to pay only the federal fees.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/11/2014 1:08:52 PM     (No. 9807117)

Yes, #4, that is one of his many arguments. He says the feds should not own so much of Nevada. He´s probably right, but it´s not a sustainable legal position for him. A federal grazing lease is a sweet, sweet deal for ranchers. He should have taken care of it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: simple simon, 4/11/2014 1:28:51 PM     (No. 9807143)

Sometimes....I wonder if govt. paid trolls show up here to confuse good patriots here with lies, obfuscation and red herrings.

It is really simple: The family already has owned the land for grazing since 1887. The feds came along 20 years ago (not generations ago) unconstitutionally charged to protect the damn tortoise, unconstitutionally changed the terms of his contract and he said no thank you, I will continue to honor my original contract.

That is why we are here today.

If you want to get a little deeper look at the Admissions Act of 1861 and the Constitution of 1864 and find any provision for granting the land claimed by the federal government right back to the federal government.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: MissMolly, 4/11/2014 1:50:48 PM     (No. 9807171)

An allotment for grazing does not convey title to the land. It is only a lease. Why can´t some of you understand that?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: TXknitter, 4/11/2014 1:55:29 PM     (No. 9807182)

You know, there are generations of Texan landowners who do not really own borderlands with Mexico and yet, they "use" that land. Right? Perhaps we shouldn´t be too quick to judge this longtime ranching family for expecting what has been for generations to have some sort of standing.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: EQKimball, 4/11/2014 1:56:41 PM     (No. 9807184)

Substitute "Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy" with "Shoshone tribal leader John Runningbear." The BLM manager who ordered today´s actions would be enjoying his last day on the job.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: shamrock, 4/11/2014 1:59:43 PM     (No. 9807193)

#5, we have grazing leases and deal with the BLM. It is not a "sweet, sweet, deal" as you claim. It is very expensive to run on federal land. We have to pay for and maintain all the fences on YOUR land, haul water constantly on non-maintained roads to areas that are designated by the BLM, pay for fire fighting, avoid the bug or bird of the month and deal with rustling, yes, rustling.

And then we get to hear town people whine about the price of beef. Hope it goes sky high, eat chicken, it comes from China now.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/11/2014 2:05:10 PM     (No. 9807198)

Absolutely my last comment on this thread, I promise. #8, I have no knowledge of Texas ranchers "using" land in Mexico. Do you have a source? There are very restrictive USDA regulations about Mexican cattle having any contact with our domestic herds, so I can´t imagine how that would work. #10, I have my own family´s sad history with the BLM, not involving land, but involving BLM corruption. I despise that agency. If you say your lease is an unhappy one, I´ll accept your word for it. But none of that absolves Mr. Bundy´s actions. I pray there is no bloodshed.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: simple simon, 4/11/2014 2:15:30 PM     (No. 9807204)

No one is claiming this is a land title case.

The Bundy family purchased perpetual grazing rights from the U.S. government for that land before the BLM existed. They have continuously used those grazing rights for almost 150 years now. Not only do they own the perpetual grazing rights, they have a prescriptive grazing right as well, which gives them rights to graze on the the land after so many years of use. The BLM, no doubt under the influence of the environmentalists, in 1993 decided to set aside the land for the desert tortoise, thereby voiding the 150-year-old agreement with the Bundy´s.

This is really a lot more than land rights and title rights. This is all about government power and how far are you (you and I) willing to let go.

Watch this and get up to speed http://bit.ly/1hyIuh9

Funny they do a shout out to Harry Reid with a little cowboy poetry included.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: TXknitter, 4/11/2014 2:31:17 PM     (No. 9807223)

#11, my last comment too. To be honest, I have no direct source. I know less than you probably do as all our landholdings still in hands of parents and I don´t deal with that end of the family´s business. I should have explained - I was thinking of the arguments that break out when south TX ranchers, whose land directly borders Mexico did not want a border "fence." Perhaps when this subject comes up again, we can get into it and I may need to be corrected -

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mikkins2, 4/11/2014 2:43:15 PM     (No. 9807235)

Note well those who are defending the Federal Government and those who are defending by default the side of an American citizen on this issue.

It is the same as the people who position themselves on the side of the Republican Establishment against those fighting to break free and change the way Washington D.C. operates.

The mindset of each side is clearly defined by this issue.

What those that defend the government don´t understand is that this battle is about the federal government laying claim and demanding tribute to land that by right belongs to the people of Nevada. It is also about fighting against the cult of environmentalism and its use of the federal government to limit the use of land by the public and private citizen.

More importantly it is about the Federal Government once again taking an issue in which no one was in danger of violence, escalating it to the point where other citizens feel the need to respond to the aid of another, and all of this is because cattle were chewing grass on land no one else cares about.

If you fail to see the reason why people are siding with Mr.Bundy, you are part of the problem.

If this turns to bloodshed, just remember who it was that introduced weapons as part of their solution.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: judy, 4/11/2014 2:50:14 PM     (No. 9807241)

This guy will not give up. He has loads of supporters. Where´s Harry?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: rockytop, 4/11/2014 2:57:12 PM     (No. 9807245)

We´re talking about people who are growing/raising our food supply. What the hell is wrong with this government, and the morons who support it?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Susannah, 4/11/2014 2:58:34 PM     (No. 9807249)

Where´s Sarah Palin? If Cliven Bundy is our new great American patriot, can´t she Tweet a bit of support? Shouldn´t she be standing beside him, ready to fight for freedom?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: MissMolly, 4/11/2014 3:12:02 PM     (No. 9807256)

I´ve read, #13, that the resistance border ranchers have to a fence is that it would fence the water in the river away from their livestock.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: msjena, 4/11/2014 3:18:21 PM     (No. 9807261)

What about the court order that says the Feds have the right to impound his cattle? Is it really OK for people to just ignore court orders when they lose? He is lucky they haven´t charged him with criminal contempt.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mean Gene, 4/11/2014 5:33:50 PM     (No. 9807405)

What irony!
The feds claim to be saving the tortoises by rounding up the cattle.
But Harry Reid is planning a Chinese solar farm on that land.
And solar farms are harder on desert tortoises than cattle are.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: gillyo, 4/12/2014 12:05:25 AM     (No. 9807722)

I can´t believe anyone is defending the BLM and the Feds. The federal government has been on a mission to acquire land that has been used by ranchers for generations. It´s not about the environment, it´s about control. They have the least amount of control over Westerners like the Bundys, and are afraid of them and people like them. To the establishment, (and this means the pro-establishment GOP posters on this site), people who are outside of their control need to be brought to heel. Hence the attacks on the Tea Party, and on ranchers like the Bundys.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 4/12/2014 6:20:29 AM     (No. 9807797)

#14, that is a huge bunch of absolute folderol, malarkey, gobbledygook and, yes, propaganda.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: judy, 4/12/2014 6:51:23 AM     (No. 9807802)

Reminds me of Holder´s Elian Gongalez case. What a waste of taxpayers $$$$. abccbsnbccnn should be ashamed.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: mikkins2, 4/12/2014 7:19:29 AM     (No. 9807823)

Once again #22 proves to have the uncanny knack of unwittingly proving my point.

People are going to start thinking I hire he/she/it to make me look so smart.

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WASHINGTON — It was an enduring image of his presidency: a chastened Bill Clinton walking his dog while wife Hillary keeps her distance as the family leaves town at the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal — but it was all part of a contrived public-repentance campaign, according to a new book. With Bill on the skids and his wife’s future prospects on the line, it was necessary for the pubic to see the president being punished, said Weekly Standard online editor Daniel Halper in his new book, “Clinton, Inc.: The Audacious Rebuilding of a Political Machine.” “They understood that


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