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Global solar dominance in sight
as science trumps fossil fuels

Telegraph [UK], by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 4/10/2014 6:08:54 PM

Solar power has won the global argument. Photovoltaic energy is already so cheap that it competes with oil, diesel and liquefied natural gas in much of Asia without subsidies. Roughly 29pc of electricity capacity added in America last year came from solar, rising to 100pc even in Massachusetts and Vermont.[Snip] The technology is improving so fast--helped by the US military--that it has achieved a virtous circle. Michael Parker and Flora Chang, at Sanford Bernstein, say we entering a new order of "global energy deflation" that must ineluctably erode the viability of oil, gas and the fossil fuel nexus over time.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rael, 4/10/2014 6:12:02 PM     (No. 9806117)

What utter BS. Solar is FAR more expensive than fossil fuels, unless you force the price of fossil fuels to ridiculous heights with taxes and regulations.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Bpl40, 4/10/2014 6:13:28 PM     (No. 9806118)

This is the right way to do it, IF this is true. Let marketplace choices decide. Taxing Americans with an authority thar supersedes their Constitution is not the way.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mickturn, 4/10/2014 6:16:36 PM     (No. 9806124)

Oh, so this is why all cars come with solar cells in the roof and hood/trunk?

Morons...the solar energy from a car with all of the above might be able to go 20 miles before it craps out.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 4/10/2014 6:17:52 PM     (No. 9806126)

There´s the bedroom - - and this is the bunk.

As #1 posted - - I´l believe that an energy source which can´t possibly be active more than 35% of the time can produce electricity efficiently - - when all forms of energy are left alone to compete on their own.

More leftist crap from leftist crappers.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: comstock, 4/10/2014 6:33:06 PM     (No. 9806152)

It would take pages to refute all the bogus claims in this article, based as it is on cherry-picking statistics. But let´s just take one: "Roughly 29pc of electricity capacity added in America last year came from solar, rising to 100pc even in Massachusetts and Vermont."

That´s what happens when you regulate all other sources of energy out of existence. Who is building a new coal- or natural gas-fired plant these days? The Chinese, at the rate of one a week!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 4/10/2014 6:35:53 PM     (No. 9806158)

I appreciate a good science-fiction article from time to time.

Tell us again about solar power during those months we most need heat--and the sun doesn´t shine...

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/10/2014 6:36:44 PM     (No. 9806159)

I do not believe this fellow understands what he is writing about. I follow solar closely and in particular how it affects the EU. Installed solar capacity numbers need to be adjusted for the fact that solar energy output is highest around midday - and zero after dark. In a non-cloudy climate the effective energy output is usually listed at 25% of installed capacity. That is, a 100 MW unit will produce 100 MW only if the sun shines directly over the unit 24 hours a day. The sun does not, so the effective output (depending on latitude) is benchmarked at around 25% for temperate climes (Nuclear is benchmarked at 90-90%, coal is even higher, wind is perhaps 35%). In winter, in places like Germany, I suspect effective solar output is perhaps 10% - given the low sun and the normal cloud cover. Given Germany´s mandated renewable usage, its energy costs are among the highest in the EU (around 40 eurocents a KWH). Heavy users of electricity (autos and chemicals) are trying to relocate to places like the southern US .

Solar is only economic for isolated needs (islands, satellites, etc. ) in the absence of government mandates and hourly pricing plans. It turns out the owner of the blog wattsupwiththat.com is able to make money on his Chico CA roof top unit because he is able to sell mid-day power to the power company at some ridiculous mandated rate.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: KTWO, 4/10/2014 6:36:56 PM     (No. 9806160)

This writer is, as usual, full of it. Don´t conclude that some good news means bad news will disappear. Utopia isn´t in sight yet.

Parker and Chang say a New Order looms? Yeh, I´ve heard that before. Expect Guam to tip over first.

Storing power for use at night has always been the problem with solar. That cost is falling and it is good news.

Geography won´t surrender either. But huge subsidies, OPM, have been wasted building solar too far North. (there aren´t many places to build too far South)

The same storage problem and battery costs limit electric cars and trucks. And there cost is falling too.



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Reply 9 - Posted by: philsner, 4/10/2014 6:41:43 PM     (No. 9806171)

The onion.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: schnapps, 4/10/2014 6:57:24 PM     (No. 9806206)

Not happening yet, Ambrose...
Crude oil price up around $103/ barrel.
CA voted to keep solar subsidies.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: oh-heck, 4/10/2014 7:00:29 PM     (No. 9806212)

Now if we could only capture the energy of the birds that fall flash roasted out of the sky over the solar thermal facilities or the unicorns that dance around the wind turbines, we might actually have something.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: QRP, 4/10/2014 7:15:15 PM     (No. 9806235)

One watt per sq. ft. Like it or not that is all you get. Yes, you may have a peak of a few watts per sq. ft. during the brightest part of the day, but it soon drops off to no watts per sq. ft. at night. When they talk of a major breakthrough in efficiency of 10% big deal - we went from 1 watt per sq. ft. to 1.1 watts per sq. ft. On average through out the year all you can really get is 1 watt per sq. ft or 24 watt hours per day for each sq. ft. of solar panels.
Besides the problem of storage for power at night or on a rainy day - think of 2 trillion Sq. ft. of land taken up by solar farms.
Its is not going to happen, and as gas and oil get cheaper and cheaper the trend is running the wrong way.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: crimea river, 4/10/2014 7:17:16 PM     (No. 9806237)

Er #12. That would be One Kilowatt per sq. ft.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Penney, 4/10/2014 7:18:06 PM     (No. 9806238)

Void of authentic positive results, so far solar energy is a myth which can´t deliver the power required to fuel the planet. Oil, gas and clean coal are efficiently already doing the job anyway!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 4/10/2014 7:28:47 PM     (No. 9806257)

A brain is a terrible thing to waste.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: snakeoil, 4/10/2014 7:32:23 PM     (No. 9806264)

Then there is the older technology of lightning bugs in a mayonnaise jar. Or rubbing cat backs together. Yes fossil fuels won´t last forever. If the wind doesn´t blow and the sun doesn´t shine something else is needed. And that is nuclear power. Either that or we all become Amish.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 4/10/2014 7:43:39 PM     (No. 9806276)

And the new cells are so good they work at night, too!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: belwhatter, 4/10/2014 7:47:13 PM     (No. 9806282)

I´ve yet to see a super jumbo jet take off without any fuel in its tanks.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mws50, 4/10/2014 8:42:11 PM     (No. 9806366)

Roughly 29pc of electricity capacity added in America last year came from solar, rising to 100pc even in Massachusetts and Vermont.

translation: Mass did not build any electrical plants last year. Neither did Vermont.

Ambrose failed to mention that pertinent fact.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: SaguaroJack, 4/10/2014 8:50:26 PM     (No. 9806376)

Dude, what cheap grade a stuff you be inhalin´?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: dvc, 4/10/2014 9:04:12 PM     (No. 9806388)

Off his meds and raving again, I see.

Solar has been useful in remote locations for decades, it is not viable where mains power is available. Greens are desperate to increase the cost of fossil fuels by any regulatory and tax means possible, trying to make solar cost competitive.

Billions and billions in subsidies, still too expensive, irregular and has anyone else noticed how it doesn´t work well at night?

I´m the designer, builder and operator of a solar electric home for 17 yrs, but in a remote area with very sunny climate, where it makes sense.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 4/10/2014 9:32:33 PM     (No. 9806411)

You could cover a Prius with solar cells and they might move it six feet in a month.

But hey, I buy solar cells for these little LED lawn lights. They are cheap enough to play with, just not cheap enough to do heavy duty.

However, in California now where an average house can have a $300/month electric bill, heavily padded with government taxes and fees to pay for closed nuclear plants and whatnot, home solar can at least pay for itself. Just not in any winter month with a lot of clouds. Still, it is helpful, and it is growing.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: sw penn, 4/10/2014 9:57:02 PM     (No. 9806434)

And someday in the far far distant future
we may be able to harness the energy of the atom.
Then electricity will be too cheap to meter...

Heard it then,
Won´t fall for it now!

Communists need you to be dependent upon them,
or you might start getting ideas.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Hicksvillekid59, 4/10/2014 10:07:39 PM     (No. 9806447)

Ambrose is in to the blow again.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: fordtran, 4/10/2014 10:07:45 PM     (No. 9806448)

When you can build a solar collector out of organic hemp, I´ll by one.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: tipover, 4/10/2014 10:27:15 PM     (No. 9806466)

I´ve watched UV kill a small solar collector in a few years. And that was to power a light on a shed. I suspect the life cycle on most solar units suck over the long haul. And that isn´t even considering batteries for energy storage.

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New York Post, by Geoff Earle    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — It was an enduring image of his presidency: a chastened Bill Clinton walking his dog while wife Hillary keeps her distance as the family leaves town at the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal — but it was all part of a contrived public-repentance campaign, according to a new book. With Bill on the skids and his wife’s future prospects on the line, it was necessary for the pubic to see the president being punished, said Weekly Standard online editor Daniel Halper in his new book, “Clinton, Inc.: The Audacious Rebuilding of a Political Machine.” “They understood that


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