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Researchers raise
questions about flu drugs

USA Today, by Michelle Healy

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Posted By:Ribicon, 4/10/2014 1:17:52 AM

A new review is questioning the effectiveness of two key drugs enlisted in the fight against influenza and in turn the investments by governments to stockpile the drugs in the event of a global flu outbreak. The antiviral drugs Tamiflu (oseltamivir) and Relenza (zanamivir ) are commonly used to treat influenza in healthy adults and children. In the case of Tamiflu, the drug does shorten symptoms of influenza by about half a day - as the manufacturer suggests - but there is insufficient evidence to support claims that it reduces hospital admissions or serious complications, such as confirmed pneumonia or

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Drugs scarcely more effective than the proverbial chicken soup, but with a laundry list of serious side effects, approved and sold via highly selective examination of clinical research. But the important thing is, fortunes were made; article says US taxpayers wasted more than $1.3 billion on these drugs, as I remember, when the Dems were riding GWB about "doing nothing" to stop the swine flu or the H1N1 or the avian flu (whichever trumped-up flu scare it was that year).

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: annie xango, 4/10/2014 2:05:26 AM     (No. 9805040)

I won´t take the flu shots. but I did have a friend who almost died a couple of weeks ago from the H1M1...only a few hundred cases in the US...

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Topic Thunder, 4/10/2014 2:54:40 AM     (No. 9805049)

Flu shots work. No questioning allowed. It´s settled science. A consensus has been reached. Flu shot deniers are Nazis and should be imprisoned.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 4/10/2014 4:50:34 AM     (No. 9805066)

Now, about those statin drugs. . . .

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Reply 4 - Posted by: StormCnter, 4/10/2014 5:37:08 AM     (No. 9805095)

I don´t do flu shots. I´ve never had one and I´ve never had the flu. But who knows? Maybe it´s like elephant repellant. Is it the spraying that keeps the elephants away or were there no elephants in the first place.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: MirJoy, 4/10/2014 6:28:58 AM     (No. 9805121)

I never take a flu shop - rather make chicken soup loaded with garlic. Also, my mother took flu shot decades ago and got very sick. No thank you.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: quantumman, 4/10/2014 6:48:42 AM     (No. 9805141)

Tamiflu works as I have used it in the past. I wonder what liberal/statist agenda (The Cochrane Collaboration and the British medical journal, BMJ) underwrote this study. That can be the only explanation I can think of.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Gretchen, 4/10/2014 7:22:30 AM     (No. 9805185)

My mom swears by the flu shot. Course that didn´t stop her from getting the flu and then pneumonia last year. Almost killed her. But she swears by the flu shot.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: BirdsNest, 4/10/2014 7:25:08 AM     (No. 9805190)

Back over 45 years ago,my grandmother said that flu shots were the govt´s way to kill off all the old people. I have had a flu shot only once, got the flu and was sick as heck. So no more for me. I practice clean hands,stay away from sick people, and take home remedies. And chicken soup. Even when I am not sick.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Catherine, 4/10/2014 7:33:34 AM     (No. 9805204)

I knew I couldn´t take flu shots but one year decided to brave it again since I worked around lots of little kids who always had runny noses. That winter I had pneumonia three times. Did the flu shot do it - I´m sure ´scientists´ would say not. I think it did. Will never take another one.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rather Read, 4/10/2014 7:34:01 AM     (No. 9805206)

I´ve had the flu shot for about 10 years now and will continue to get it since I work in a library. I´ve had the flu three times: Once when teaching high school, once when working retail, and I got it two years ago. The last time wasn´t as bad since I took Tamiflu. It did work for me.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: congar, 4/10/2014 7:44:22 AM     (No. 9805218)

I got my first flu shot about 35 years ago and then spent most of the night throwing up in the toilette. I haven’t had a flu shot since then, and I haven’t had the flu either. My physician confessed she doesn’t take them either.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: strike3, 4/10/2014 7:59:02 AM     (No. 9805244)

This news should help vindicate the many people who refuse to take flu shots and never get the flu because they don´t believe everything the government and the medical industry puts out as gospel. I have a 30+ year record going.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 4/10/2014 8:09:07 AM     (No. 9805261)

When I went through chemo and radiation a few years back I was advised by my oncologist to have a flu shot. Supposedly my immune system was completely destroyed and I was told that I would catch everything that came along.

I didn’t take the shot. I knew too many people who had take the shot and nearly died from the side effects.

I was also prescribed an antibiotic that I was supposed to take for two weeks after every chemo treatment. That antibiotic cost $545.00 for two weeks. I told the oncologist that if that’s what it took to keep me alive, then I would just have to die. He then prescribed an antibiotic that cost $20.00 for a two weeks supply.

I knew right then I was being used as a lab rat.

I started chemo in the fall, went through the dead of winter, and ended radiation in late spring. I never even had the sniffles.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: smak90, 4/10/2014 8:12:22 AM     (No. 9805268)

It just sounds to me like the govt is creating an excuse to why govt/insurance/ObammyCare shouldn´t have to pay for the pills anymore since those are very expensive pills. I´ve got 2 kids who had the first documented cases of H1N1 in our city, they got Tamiflu right away and were completely healthy again in less than 48 hours.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 4/10/2014 9:01:40 AM     (No. 9805354)

We have had flu shots every fall for some years. And the one-time pneumonia shot.

No side effects. Not even a sore arm. And one less thing or two to be concerned about.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Corndoggies, 4/10/2014 9:11:03 AM     (No. 9805374)

The hubs and I swear by Zycam. Tasty little tablets taken every 3 hours for a day (when we first start to feel like we´re coming down with something) have kept us nonsick all winter. I keep a supply in the house and he won´t leave home without it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 4/10/2014 9:33:22 AM     (No. 9805408)

The article does not mention anything about influenza vaccinations. In general, lay people are ignorant about what Influenza really is. It is not a vomiting, diarrhea, or gastrointestinal illness. It is not a runny nose and cough with low grade temp. It is a temperature of 103.0, persistent cough, muscle aches, and malaise that makes you feel like you were beaten with a baseball bat. It generally starts each season in children and progresses to adults. It has been proven by evidence-based studies (not future predictions like "climate change" studies) to be decreased in rate and severity by utilization of the Influenza vaccine. Influenza kills thousands of people a year. We all make decisions, and people should take the vaccine by choice, but it may be a fine Darwinian action to not take it.

A good potion of Tamiflu and Relenza is prescribed each year by physicians because their patient demand "you give me something for this." Also, if you are the treating physician for someone that progresses and doesn´t do well from the disease, or from secondary infection, there is no shortage of parasitic lawyers and their whore physicians to testify that "Little Jimmie would have been just fine IF ONLY the doctor had prescribed one of these miracle drugs!"

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mc squared, 4/10/2014 9:45:07 AM     (No. 9805418)

Last year I got a shot on the sdvice of my doc; the first I´d ever taken.
Do I need to tell you that by late in the year I was sick as a dog and had pneumonia.

I´m a small sample for sure, but for me the sciene is settled.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: zoidberg, 4/10/2014 9:58:06 AM     (No. 9805428)

Because I work for a company that makes a flu vaccine, we are strongly encouraged to get flu shots (and we don´t pay for them). I have never had any bad reaction to a flu shot, and since I´ve been getting them, I haven´t gotten the flu.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: lana720, 4/10/2014 10:05:30 AM     (No. 9805439)

The only time I got the flu was the year I had a free shot at work. Went to my chiropractor for relief. He asked if I had had a shot and when I said, "Yes," he said, "Then, what did you expect?
My in-laws both got the flu after the shot this year and our local doc gave them Tamiflu. I made them chicken soup with lots of garlic and cayenne!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Blizzard, 4/10/2014 10:07:31 AM     (No. 9805445)

I refuse to take the flu shot, and I won´t let my kids take it either. You have a perfectly good immune system that gets stronger the more you use it.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: fritzilou, 4/10/2014 10:10:00 AM     (No. 9805448)

There are two very important shots for older people; they are pneumonia and shingles. We don´t do flu shots either. My daughter had one when she was a skinny little 16 year old and got so sick with fever and flu.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: RancherJack, 4/10/2014 10:27:17 AM     (No. 9805481)

Pharmakeia and its related forms appear several times in the New Testament, including the Epistle to the Galatians and the Book of Revelation. It is frequently translated as "witchcraft" or "sorcery". Magical pharmacia substances or potions often bind someone under a spell by evocation with and without uttered word formulas.

Go ahead. Take your medicine

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 4/10/2014 10:36:14 AM     (No. 9805495)

Wait! I read the article twice and it is only about the useless drugs tamiflu and relenza...which plainly state they do not do much good once you have the flu..they are post-infection drugs designed to help reduce symptoms, not stop the course of the disease...and perhaps (perhaps!) shorten the duration of the illness (if in fact, the patient even has the flu). Prophylactic use of the drugs mentioned is completely useles and has always been the case!

The article does not mention anything (much) about actual "flu" inoculations that are given each year designed to thwart the actual flu infection itself in people. Those are preventative and highly effective if the actual flu they are designed to prevent is the one that goes active that year. Flu vaccinations are a crap shoot...they are designed only for specific kinds of flu disease experts anticipate emerging for that particular yer. If an unexpected strain expresses, then the inoculations for that year are useless or less effective.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: InvestiGator, 4/10/2014 10:48:18 AM     (No. 9805516)

Tamiflu worked for me this year. Wife got the flu bad. I had symptoms for about 24 hours and tested positive. Doc gave me Tamiflu. One day later the symptoms were gone for good and I was fine. Wife still was down a week later.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: chillijilli, 4/10/2014 11:35:25 AM     (No. 9805575)

Flu shots have never been a problem for me, so when my physician recommended the 1-time-only pneumonia shot this year, I had no hesitation. After all, it was FDA approved. My arm swelled up to 4 x it´s size, became black and blue like I had been hit by a semi, I developed a high fever and I had respiratory problems which almost necessitated a tracheotomy. My PCP sent images of my arm to the manufacturer and the FDA as well. It turns out that although allergic reactions are rare, the EXTENT of those reactions hasn´t been well-researched. Just because the FDA approves of a drug doesn´t mean it´s safe for everyone!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: dman, 4/10/2014 12:23:47 PM     (No. 9805642)

I´m not allergic to the flu shots, so I get them.

However, whenever I get a scratchy throat, I do a gargle and sinus flush with 8-oz lukewarm distilled water and 1/2 teaspoon of salt, and take some Vitamin C. A bit messy, but works like a charm.

Remember that the cold virus is most often transferred via your hands (wash or sanitize them often - Adrian Monk was right) and the virus incubates in your sinuses (that´s why the flush is effective). A medical doctor told me about this, and I´ve only suffered two colds and no flu in the 10 years since.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: dvc, 4/10/2014 1:54:48 PM     (No. 9805780)

Unfortunately, this shows that the few antivirals that we have are not particularly effective. In the event of a major influenza pandemic, they might make the difference between being quite sick or dying, but is not a magic cure. I have been involved in managing multiple projects working on developing new antivirals, and we have a few moderately promising new compounds, but it is difficult science and viruses are highly variable.

Influenza is caused by a virus. Pneumonia is caused by a bacteria and is totally unrelated to influenza. Of course, if you are extremely sick from influenza, you may not be as able to fight off the pneumonia bacteria. Connecting taking a flu shot to later getting pneumonia is not scientifically valid.

I have taken flu shots every year for decades, never had the flu or any other significant viral illness. I am very careful to wash hands frequently in flu season, and stay away from sick people as much as possible.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: earlybird, 4/10/2014 3:08:55 PM     (No. 9805886)

Bingo!.... Finally someone posted some real information.

The article does not mention anything (much) about actual "flu" inoculations that are given each year designed to thwart the actual flu infection itself in people. Those are preventative and highly effective if the actual flu they are designed to prevent is the one that goes active that year. Flu vaccinations are a crap shoot...they are designed only for specific kinds of flu disease experts anticipate emerging for that particular yer. If an unexpected strain expresses, then the inoculations for that year are useless or less effective.

The one year we got mild flu in March was the year when the flu strain predicted was replaced by another. We´d had shots in October.

As for Tamiflu, it must be taken when symptoms FIRST appear. If you´ve had them for more than 24 hours or so, it may not do much. Some patients demand it anyway; and some doctors say "what the heck" and comply.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: MargaretM., 4/10/2014 4:07:45 PM     (No. 9805975)

I know that Tamiflu has helped me. I notice the lack of bronchial congestion and how my body begins to climb out of the symptoms rather than worsening rapidly into bronchitis.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: MargaretM., 4/10/2014 4:13:54 PM     (No. 9805980)

Everyone´s body is slightly different. Maybe those who don´t take the flu shot would not get sick either way; they have terrific immune systems to begin with.

Others of us, especially as we age, are not as fortunate and have to rely on every scientific means to get over colds and flu.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 4/10/2014 4:26:53 PM     (No. 9805992)

From reading about it Tamiflu and Relenza are drugs that interfere with the RNA replication of the influenza virus thereby slowing the disease down significantly to the point where the body can immunologically rid you of the virus quicker and perhaps moderate the symptoms. I believe what I´ve read about our immune systems and if killed flu viruses (the vaccine) are similar enough in molecular structure to the disease that is being passed around, the immune system can construct appropriate antibodies to fight the disease.

What I don´t understand is how the CDC knows what version of the flu virus is going to occur in advance to make the appropriate vaccine.

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Washington Post, by Tom Sietsema    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/12/2014 9:15:16 AM     Post Reply
It’s true what they say about Michelle Obama. She has amazing arms. I saw this up close when she unfurled her bare right limb in front of me Thursday night, while the two of us were doing tapas at the jumping Barcelona on 14th Street NW. Clearly the first lady works out, clearly she moisturizes and clearly L’Oréal should hire her as its pitchwoman after she leaves 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. “Ma’am, you rock,” I wanted to tell her, even though I was seated a table away from her party of eight, which included White House chef Sam Kass, and was

Obama Says GOP Lawsuit
Will Cost Tax Dollars

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ABC News, by Chris Good    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/12/2014 7:11:35 PM     Post Reply
In his weekly radio/YouTube address, President Obama derided House Republicans’ planned lawsuit against him, warning that GOP lawmakers will spend taxpayer dollars on a frivolous legal challenge. “It’s a political stunt that’s going to waste months of America’s time. And by the way, they’re going to pay for it using your hard-earned tax dollars,” Obama said. (Video) House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has orchestrated the beginnings of a lawsuit against the president over his use of executive authority. As the White House and the GOP-controlled House have failed to compromise on a slew of issues during Obama’s tenure, the president has

Forget the IRS Scandal – Holder DOJ
to Investigate Obama Outhouse Float

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Gateway Pundit, by Jim Hoft    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 7/12/2014 1:00:41 PM     Post Reply
Angry Democrats in Nebraska said the Obama Outhouse float in the 4th of July parade may have been racist. So now Eric Holder is looking into it. Omaha.com reported: The U.S. Department of Justice has joined the discussions over a controversial float in the Norfolk Independence Day parade. The department sent a member of its Community Relations Service team, which gets involved in discrimination disputes, to a Thursday meeting about the issue. Also at the meeting were the NAACP, the Norfolk mayor and The Independent Order of Odd Fellows. The Odd Fellows organized the parade. One of the floats included a zombie-like mannequin standing near

Spokesman: Obama ´absolutely´
the most transparent president

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The Hill (Washington, D.C.), by Justin Sink    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/13/2014 2:56:52 PM     Post Reply
President Obama is “absolutely” the most transparent president in history, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Sunday after the White House received a letter from signed by a dozen top journalists’ groups complaining about the administration’s policies toward the media. “There are a number of steps that we´ve taken to give people greater insight into what´s happening at the White House,” Earnest said in an interview with CNN’s “Reliable Sources.” The letter, signed by the Society of Professional Journalists and the Poynter Institute, among others, accuses the White House of "politically driven suppression of news and information about federal agencies." It

Gutierrez Slams ´Shameful´ GOP
For Creating Fear Of Children

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Breitbart TV, by Pam Key    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/13/2014 7:18:00 AM     Post Reply
Friday on "Democracy Now," Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-IL) attacked his "shameful" Republican colleagues for wanting to change the 2008 child trafficking law so that the children from from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador current streaming across the border in hopes of evading deportation will be treated the same as those from Mexico before approving the $3.7 billion in emergency funding the president has requested. The Illinois Democrat said, "I think it is shameful that in the Congress of the U.S. we see members of Congress engendering and creating fear of children. We should be protecting children, not creating fear of them." Yesterday,

Obama the Bear is Loose
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American Thinker, by Peter Wilson    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 7/12/2014 9:45:06 AM     Post Reply
As NBC reports, “´The Bear is Loose´: Obama Strolls to Starbucks in D.C.” Hear him roar! Elsewhere we read: CNN: “Obama, the ‘Bear,’ is loose and trying to reconnect with voters” ABC: “Obama ‘The Bear’ Lets Loose in Denver” Huffington Post: ´The Bear Is Loose!´ Obama Goes Out And About” Washington Post: “The bear is loose’: Obama escapes from the White House” Whitehouse.gov explicates: Going all the way back to the early days of the campaign, whenever President Obama shook off his schedule and busted out of the bubble, we would say "The Bear is loose." Lately, the Bear has

Immigrant children bringing out
the worst in some Americans

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Fort Worth Star-Telegram, by Bob Ray Sanders    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/13/2014 6:35:35 AM     Post Reply
The “ugly American” has gotten a lot uglier over the past few weeks, from the streets of California to the halls of Congress and state houses around the country. A growing number of our fellow Americans have taken on grotesque features, in looks and sounds, in reaction to the thousands of children from Central America who have crossed our borders as they flee poverty and violence in hope for something better. Sadly, the arrival of these youngsters has been greeted by flag-waving, sign-carrying, Bible-thumping and Constitution-quoting citizens demanding that they not be received here and that they be returned immediately to their

Michelle Obama to Latinos: ‘We cannot
afford to wait on Congress’ for immigration

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/13/2014 2:53:50 PM     Post Reply
First lady Michelle Obama grabbed the political reins during a speech to the League of United Latin American Citizens in New York City, telling the crowd of admirers not to worry — that her husband wouldn’t wait on Congress to take action on immigration reform. “So make no mistake about it — we have to keep on fighting as hard as we can on immigration,” Mrs. Obama said, to a cheering crowd, Breitbart reported. “And as my husband has said, he’s going to do whatever administrative action it takes to fix this broken system.” Mrs. Obama then vowed that Congress wouldn’t get


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