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Will Republican Culture Warriors Snatch
Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory?

Forbes, by Bill Frezza

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Posted By:MissMolly, 4/4/2014 7:51:01 AM

I was recently invited to speak at the annual Conservative Leadership Conference in Raleigh, North Carolina, a regional red-meat gathering of the conservative faithful trying to help Republicans win back control of the government. Since I’m neither a conservative nor a Republican—nor faithful, for that matter, as I am a rather unabashed atheist—you might wonder what I was doing there. I’ll give you the same answer I gave the conference attendees. To have any hope of becoming a majority party, you ought to take a page from libertarians trying to make common cause with Republicans by focusing on economic freedom

It worries me when I see long-time L-Dotters saying "Vote for the Democrat". You know who you are, and I simply don´t get the logic, if there is any.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 4/4/2014 8:02:52 AM     (No. 9797243)

Limited Government.

Also a ´minimally intrusive government´ must be our rallying call.

A lot of ´persuadable voters´ can smell the socialism and they don´t like it.

Religious and social issues are important but they are electoral poison.

Win first then preach if you must.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 4/4/2014 8:08:23 AM     (No. 9797247)

So an atheist goes to a conservative gathering-- and doesn´t take with him his hatred for things rooted in a morality of Judeo-Christian ethics?

I belive conservatives should frame every argument based on truth and common sense-- and of course economic sense-- and they wouldn´t have to even whisper God.

the real problem is being perceived as self-righteous instead of simply right!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 4/4/2014 8:14:06 AM     (No. 9797254)

au contraire
you win, ultimately, by persuasion, not by pandering. The real decisions are made in the hearts and minds and around the kitchen table. The tallies at ballot box reflect those decisions, not the reverse.
Culture counts. Words matter. Character is important. So is language. So are borders.
Yes, intrusive government is bad. So are lousy fiscal and tax policies. But a nation with great fiscal policies and a high and increasing rate of single-parent houses subsisting on WIC, EBT cards, Section 8 housing, and various other forms of public assistance, and an attitude of entitlement, will not be a successful nation. See Rome, et al. Subsidizing bad character guarantees more of it. Pretending bad behavior is OK is to give approval to a lie.
I have lived in a city that had sexually active 9-year-olds! 30 year old grandmothers. Do you truly believe that turning a blind eye to this sort of cultural rot will cure it?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 4/4/2014 8:19:56 AM     (No. 9797263)

I have been here a long time. I think I know who most of the long time posters are by now.

There are leftists among us helping to drive a wedge into the party. Despite their best efforts, they are easy to spot.

There are those who would have us vote for GOP politicians that vote with the Democrats on the biggest issues such as spending, taxes, entitlements, immigration, Obamacare repeal, and so on to avoid being called names.

There are those who are so angry that almost every incumbent is a ´RINO´ (a label I will not use).

But I do not recall any of them ever saying ´vote for the Democrat´.

We are having a very important and healthy debate. It is good for the party, and it is good for the country, for in the end we all will have thought seriously about where the country is, where it needs to go, and how we are all going to get it there.

Some may not vote for a particular candidate because they cannot support one or more of their political positions, social or economic, or both. That is OK, but they do need to take that route with caution.

However, that is not the equivalent of ´voting for a Democrat´. It is intellectually dishonest to say so, and some posters here need to stop trotting out that argument if they want to be taken seriously in this forum.

We have a significant battle for the future of this country coming over the next several elections. As we have already seen, the leftists and statists will not lose gracefully. We need to steel ourselves for what is to come.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: HPmatt, 4/4/2014 8:24:43 AM     (No. 9797266)

Yeah - look how poorly the country did the last time this was tried - under Ronald Reagan…..

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 4/4/2014 8:46:46 AM     (No. 9797287)

I once thought ´atheist´ meant someone who didn´t believe in God.

But based on various atheists´ writing, it apparently means ´someone who has a lot of mirrors hanging in his house and spends a lot of time admiring his own reflection.´

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Freeloader, 4/4/2014 8:46:49 AM     (No. 9797288)

Final Score November 6, 1984:

-Sir Ronaldus Magnus---525 Electoral Votes
-The Dark Side---13 Electoral Votes

"I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through The United States Congress"..."Within the covers of the Bible are answers for all the problems men face."
-Sir Ronaldus Magnus

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Reply 8 - Posted by: kahunavol, 4/4/2014 8:48:27 AM     (No. 9797290)

Here´s a clue for the atheist author. Winning elections in space and time is a very secondary issue for people whose horizon is eternity.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 2dogs, 4/4/2014 8:50:05 AM     (No. 9797292)

First, we have to win. And we won´t win by pushing the hot button issues in front. Our country is in peril, but it´s not being taken down by gay people or young women who choose abortion, it´s being taken down by Marxist Progressives. Work on the culture AFTER you get in! This is what Obama did. be the Trojan horse. Get in the gates. I´m a raving conservative, but we need to WIN IT to fix it!!!!!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 4/4/2014 8:57:06 AM     (No. 9797303)

If "winning" means having everything we believe ignored by our "representatives" then that isn´t really winning at all.

If Republicans are now only conservative about fiscal and military policy, then you´ll be happy to know they´ll still get my vote. But my respect will be gone.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: MissMolly, 4/4/2014 9:04:53 AM     (No. 9797313)

Last post on this thread.

#4, this is only one example, posted on Wednesday. I won´t name the poster.

"If these RINO clowns win their primaries please consider voting for the Democrat in the general elections if you live in their districts."

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Reply 12 - Posted by: louisianadeb, 4/4/2014 9:09:42 AM     (No. 9797320)

Unfortunately no mention of the gentleman Greg Brannon running in NC Senate Repub primary ags. one of Rove´s minions. Bright, articulate, conservative - he too was part of CPAC. Check him out yall - Brannon for Senate.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 4/4/2014 9:14:58 AM     (No. 9797323)

Try asking the same question about RINO´s.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Susannah, 4/4/2014 10:18:57 AM     (No. 9797448)

I too have seen posters on this forum either exhorting people to "vote for the Democrat" or promising to "vote for the Democrat." This has been particularly prevalent in any thread relating to Mitch McConnell and Matt Bevin.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mc squared, 4/4/2014 10:28:22 AM     (No. 9797462)

Mr Frezza claims that it isn´t enough to rally the conservative base, but the lack enthusiasm in that same base cost the GOP the ´12 election.

Pubbies have to stop antagonizing the base.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 4/4/2014 11:12:33 AM     (No. 9797517)

I have never seen anyone on this site to vote for Democrats against Republicans but I am not constantly monitoring. It could have happened but I would think it is rare. I have promoted writing in your choice of a better candidate when the Republican is not someone you support but never voting for a Democrat. That would only give power to the left. As far as write in candidates go, "somehow" Lisa Murkowsky won that way so I think it is a viable suggestion even though I suspect that Alaskan election was rigged.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 4/4/2014 11:13:20 AM     (No. 9797519)

So, we´re now supposed to take the advice of a non-conservative, non-Republican atheist? Yeah, he´s got our best interests at heart. They´re the one´s using conservatives in the same manner Democrats use blacks and illegals. Pretend they´re with us to fire us up, then abandon us after the election.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dman, 4/4/2014 11:15:45 AM     (No. 9797523)

"Good golly", OP: blaming your base already by posting this?

Be careful what you wish for, apoligsts piling on this thread: you just may not have your base to "kick around" anymore.

New party.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: QRP, 4/4/2014 11:38:28 AM     (No. 9797559)

Gotta "Cool out the Marks" after you take them. It´s getting old and probably has quit working. If the Republicans want to be Democrat Lite - so be it. What they don´t seem to realize is that ALL of the Republican grass roots folks are more Tea Party than Republican. The people who will man phone banks, walk neighborhoods and most importantly give money are pretty much Tea Party and they are not going to waste time with Democrat Lite just to get kicked in the teeth again.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 4/4/2014 11:42:03 AM     (No. 9797567)

How you feel about this issue may depend on where you live. Here in California, there is virtually no "base" to rally. Our only hope is to make it seem "OK" to vote Republican, and I think that would be done by re-branding the party as more Libertarian-leaning. If a supporter of liberty happens to be an irreligious metro-sexual, who cares? Let´s capture his vote, get the government off our backs, and let the culture sort the rest of this stuff out.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: guitarcharlie, 4/4/2014 12:04:33 PM     (No. 9797599)

As a teacher in a major university, I can assure you that hearts can be won over by talking about freedom and liberty. Throw in moral judgement and your arguments are toast.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: DocH, 4/4/2014 1:47:54 PM     (No. 9797736)

Throw out moral judgment and your culture is toast.

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