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Black Death wasn´t actually
bubonic plague, study finds

Foxnews.com, by Kate Seamons

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Posted By:wetenschapper, 4/1/2014 6:07:43 AM

A fascinating sidebar to the news that some of the skeletons dug up in London during excavation for a train line last year are indeed the remains of Black Death victims: The Observer zeroes in on a new theory as to how the disease spread, and according to researchers, we might want to stop pinning the blame on fleas.

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Those familiar with my posts will know that I regularly champion the cause of the humble and oft-despised rat. Having worked with them in laboratories, and now with our family having pet rats, I´ve quite come to love these gentle and misunderstood rodents, and have long adjured that rats were not the primary vector of plague-carrying fleas: Had rodents written the history books, they would certainly bemoan how humans had spread the plague to ratkind throughout medieval Europe.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: hisself, 4/1/2014 7:22:58 AM     (No. 9792726)

According to the article, tere was no study, just a researcher´s conjecture.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: uno, 4/1/2014 8:01:41 AM     (No. 9792766)

I´m sticking with the rat flea theory since we can see how destructive they are today...

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Reply 3 - Posted by: wetenschapper, 4/1/2014 8:10:11 AM     (No. 9792779)

I should add that I also think fleas were the primary manner by which Y. pestis was spread. However, I´ve always doubted that the fleas were moved about by rats because R. rattus and R. Norvegicus are territorial animals that rarely travel more than a couple hundred meters from where they´re born. I think it much more likely that man and his domestic animals would have been considerably more effective in transporting fleas from village to village.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: privateer, 4/1/2014 8:19:38 AM     (No. 9792788)

It was spread by community organizers, the deadliest type of rat.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: coldborezero, 4/1/2014 8:20:18 AM     (No. 9792791)

The mere sight of a rat gives a mental green light to my inner Scout/Sniper.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Jennie C., 4/1/2014 8:37:46 AM     (No. 9792812)

OP, I´m guessing that neither your lab rats nor your pet rats had/have fleas.

I don´t know how this researcher can conjecture that since, what, he assumes, is the same strain of the virus, killed so many fewer people recently than it did 500 years ago, therefore it wasn´t the same.

500 years is a long time for humanity to develop more immunity.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Felixcat, 4/1/2014 8:45:15 AM     (No. 9792819)

I too, like OP, admire rats. They´ve been and still are poisoned, trapped, glued, etc. and they still thrive. I would say that as a non-scientist that the general living conditions back then probably contributed to the spread.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 4/1/2014 9:07:55 AM     (No. 9792840)

In the case of the great pestilence, it was an organism known as Yersinia pestis that caused so many deaths. We know this from multiple historical accounts of the disease process and the organism has been identified in the remains of Plague victims. Bubonic is the most common form followed by septicemic and pneumonic forms. So to say bubonic plague wasn´t the cause and pneumonic plague was the cause is simply saying a different form of the same disease was the primary killer. What we know is pneumonic plague (Oh, the nursery rhyme ´Ring around the Rosie´ is an all encompassing description of both bubonic and pneumonic plague) is 100% fatal without treatment. Bubonic is about 25% without treatment. And there was no treatment in the Middle Ages thus pneumonic is more feared. Prior to the plague, the world experienced record warming which allowed for a prolong growing season and cultivation of marginal land. The human population exploded. About a decade before the plague, global cooling with increase in wet weather set in thus vastly reducing the food supply. Decrease nutrition, increase confinement due to colder weather plays a role in the spread. Global warming equals increase life. Global cooling brings the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 4/1/2014 9:23:57 AM     (No. 9792857)

Pestilence is caused by democ rats wherever they go

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Reply 10 - Posted by: US Veteran, 4/1/2014 10:20:42 AM     (No. 9792940)

Must have had obamacare back then too...


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