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Jim Crow laws for
gays and lesbians?

USA Today, by Kirsten Powers

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 2/20/2014 8:51:48 PM

What´s the matter with Kansas? A bill protecting the religious freedom of businesses and individuals to refuse services to same-sex couples passed the state House of Representatives last week. It was blessedly killed in the state Senate on Tuesday. Similar bills have cropped up in a half-dozen states in an effort to protect anti-gay religious believers against lawsuits. A florist in Washington state, a Colorado baker and a New Mexico photographer have been sued for refusing to serve gay couples getting married. They say to do so would be to "celebrate" nuptials at odds with their Christian faith. It´s probably news to

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Jim Crow laws? Really Kirsten? I guess she still hasn´t spent enough time out of that liberal bubble. The fact that she isn´t the slightest bit concerned about the religious freedom of businesses and individuals to refuse services to same-sex couples is disturbing. She still is more radical than reasonable. As a refresher here´s the video of her battling Megyn Kelly with Kirsten saying the Black Panthers were not threatening at the voting site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ93liKuj_4

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: TOOTALL, 2/20/2014 9:03:39 PM     (No. 9740506)

Gay men and women had the right to marry before the recent rulings and law changes. Homosexual marriage is another issue and should be treated as such.

Many of the social ills of this country can be attributed to the disintegration of the family.Changing the definition of marriage further weakens that.

Furthermore, a differing opinion does not make me a racist, homophobic, or anything other than a person who has their own opinion!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 2/20/2014 9:04:37 PM     (No. 9740508)

Jesus would tell the gays the same thing He told the woman caught in adultery; "go and sin no more." Jesus followed Old Testament law which provided stoning for homosexual activity. While He would have forgiven them once, His admonition to go and sin no more would have held just as firm. Finally, Jesus settled the question of marriage once and for all in Matthew 19:4-5. The Greek words He uses in verse 4 can only mean "male" and "female."

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Muncsdad, 2/20/2014 9:07:27 PM     (No. 9740511)

Let me get this straight.

So, (hypothetically) my daughter is getting married (to a young man). We want the ceremony at a certain church, a certain florist, a certain wedding cake maker and the reception at a certain venue.

One or more aren´t available. So, we get to sue?

Can´t make it up, can you?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mre, 2/20/2014 9:22:31 PM     (No. 9740522)

I bet those bakers and florists and caterers would sell to Jewish people for their weddings and parties. And unlike many gay couples and persons, Jews and the Jewish religion outright deny and reject Jesus Christ.

So what gives?

Once again Christians acting like dunces.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Michaelus, 2/20/2014 9:22:46 PM     (No. 9740523)

Don´t delude yourselves folks. The "anti-discrimination" laws treat refusing any service to some manifest sexual pervert exactly the same as refusing service to someone because of their race or religion. This is already a done deal - your Government has already done this. It is all over except for the screaming.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: mre, 2/20/2014 9:25:08 PM     (No. 9740526)

Reply #2 exhibits a naïve and simplistic and doctrinaire reading and understanding of Scripture.

It ain´t necessarily so. (And you can quote me in either Greek or Hebrew, both of which I can read.)



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Reply 7 - Posted by: lavalette, 2/20/2014 9:31:02 PM     (No. 9740529)

There is big difference between selling a birthday cake to a self professed homosexual and selling a wedding cake to two such persons. In the first instance the seller does not participate in any sin. In the second instance they do.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hammock, 2/20/2014 11:54:46 PM     (No. 9740647)

I see this as a response to perceived or real bullying by LGBT activists but I doubt it will fly.

When anti-discrimination laws were first made, in the 60´s they referred to public accommodations like transportation, motels, restaurants, etc. Things changed over the years to any kind of service offered to the public but I don´t know if the laws did.

The same argument was made by the Muslim cabdrivers who refused to transport anyone with a visible wine bottle - that this would make them a participant in sin. Since they were licensed to serve the entire public and there were laws about public accommodation, they lost.

To me there is a big difference between the cabdrivers´ case and that of those who bake wedding cakes, but many do not see a difference.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 2/21/2014 12:12:28 AM     (No. 9740656)

I´m so tired of hearing about homosexuals. So tired. Do what you want in the bedroom, people. I don´t want to know about it.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jsulman, 2/21/2014 12:18:57 AM     (No. 9740660)

Perhaps mre could explain to us with his knowledge of Greek the non-naive, non-simplistic and non-doctrinaire meaning of male/female that Christ used in Mat 19?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 2/21/2014 1:00:57 AM     (No. 9740674)

Powers got a little religion, so she thinks she knows everything now?

Ms. Powers, if you performed in home services, housecleaning, tax preparation etc. and I had hookers hanging around and big posters of women from the mid east being decapitated, because that´s my sexual orientation and belief system--women are lower than beasts--should you be compelled to provide me your services? By law? Because sweetie, that is exactly what you are advocating.

Should your daughter--and let´s make her 18--be compelled to babysit in a house with degrading pictures of women adorning everything? Because using your logic Ms. Powers, she not only should, she MUST, by law.

Your revulsion of the above, and your religious beliefs against the murder and degradation of women would certainly prevent YOU from feeling like you should be forced to work there--and YOUR precious daughter.

And no, that would not be a hostile working environment, that would simply my sexual "orientation".

Typical liberal, insisting on laws when it suits me, but not for thee.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: wildcat1, 2/21/2014 1:22:02 AM     (No. 9740681)

Thank you #2 and #11.

Looks like Arizona passed nearly the same law today.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 2/21/2014 1:55:22 AM     (No. 9740688)

Let us remember that Jim Crow laws were brought to this country by the Democrat Party.

In regards to equalizing the civil rights of blacks with homosexuals, it is insulting to blacks. Every time every black person is in public every one knows they are black. That is not the case with homosexuals and lesbians. Other people can only know their "sexual orientation" if they display it in manner and dress, or openly announce it in conversation while doing business. Why do we need to know?

The radical homosexual activists are no more interested in the lives of their constituency than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson care for theirs. The push to redefine marriage is another battle in the war against our Judeo-Christian faiths, virtues, and culture. It is a war against the individual´s freedom of religious conscience, and that includes the freedom to resist being forced into committing a sin of complicity. An unfamiliar moral value to many.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: TXknitter, 2/21/2014 2:14:08 AM     (No. 9740689)

Thank you, #2. It´s unfortunately not rare to be accused of being a simpleton just because you accept God´s Word for what it clearly says, not for what one wishes it said. His Word still stands forever.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 2/21/2014 2:26:48 AM     (No. 9740692)

OP, Kristen doesn´t think those Panther fellows were threatening at the voting site.

Okay, now lets put a bunch of ladies, mostly elderly, outside an abortion clinic, holding signs and praying, rosaries in hand.

Does Kristen think they´re threatening the patients entering the abortion clinic?

You betcha.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: billa, 2/21/2014 3:54:18 AM     (No. 9740720)

This is all a set up for law suits and to infringe on civil liberties involving private property.

While not completely analogous, Rosa Parks and the black kids intergrating a Little Rock public school were all targeted by the NAACP as test cases to challenge segregation. These plaintiffs were not innocent victims they were sought out and planned by the NAACP.

This is no different...for the most part except that buses and schools are public.

The gay agenda is not interested in individual enterprises or particular businesses, but rather to create a very powerful and lucrative lobby group to enhance and weild their power.

Attacking "mom & pop" businesses fuels the media´s over-reaction to alleged discrimination.

Believe me, there are numerous businesses who could care less to whom they are providing a service to as long as they are paid. These businesses were specifically targeted to create a controversy.



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Reply 17 - Posted by: Trigger2, 2/21/2014 5:22:32 AM     (No. 9740745)

Well Kirsten, apparently you never heard of Freedom of Religion which means churches are free to confine themselves to their particular religious practices and beliefs. A pox on you for your attempt to get rid of another right in the Bill of Rights.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: saguni, 2/21/2014 1:48:54 PM     (No. 9741404)

FTA: Christians serve unrepentant murderers through prison ministry. So why can´t they provide a service for a same-sex marriage?

When was the last time a Christian in a prison ministry told a murderer, "We don´t care if you murder again, we´re here to help you feel better about your crimes." No, they say, "Repent, be saved and sin no more."

Or, does Kristen believe that the Christian bakers, florists and photographers should be allowed to spend their entire time in contact with the "gay couple" proselytizing, telling them to repent and become heterosexual?

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