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Rescuing a Vietnam Casualty: Johnson’s Legacy
New York Times, by Adam Nagourney

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/16/2014 9:16:59 AM

AUSTIN, Tex. — Luci Baines Johnson leaned forward in her father’s private suite at the L.B.J. Presidential Library, her voice breaking as she recounted the “agony of Vietnam” that engulfed Lyndon Baines Johnson and the pain she feels to this day of witnessing his presidency judged through the prism of a failed war. “Nobody wanted that war less than Lyndon Johnson,” said Ms. Johnson, 66, who is the president’s younger daughter. “No matter how hard he tried, he didn’t seem to be able to get out of that quagmire. Not only did he not get out of it in his lifetime,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 9:18:50 AM     (No. 9734549)

My family had a history with Lyndon Johnson and I despised the man. But, whenever I drive Texas highways in the spring, I admire and appreciate Lady Bird´s lovely wildflower legacy.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: sinic, 2/16/2014 9:27:00 AM     (No. 9734563)

Absolutely the WORST president we´ve ever had. Did more to destroy the country than any other. At least FDR had a legitimate depression to deal with...LBJ CREATED one that would last for decades...it´s still adversely affecting our country. Great Society my arse. Oh, and by the way leftwing moonbats, this DEMOCRAT was the man behind the escalation of the Vietnam War. Got that? Democrat!! I literally HATE this POS....can you tell?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Pros7767, 2/16/2014 9:28:33 AM     (No. 9734567)

My dear Luci,

Your father´s legacy will never be good. His War on Poverty has destroyed the lives of generations of Americans and cost this country dearly.

His handling of Vietnam cost this country over 55,000 young men their lives. Perhaps if he allowed them to fight to win the outcome may have been different.

No spin will ever change his legacy. He earned it and owns it.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 2/16/2014 9:33:37 AM     (No. 9734571)

We "lost" that war because LBJ tried to run it like a political operation from the White House, instead of letting the military run it from the Pentagon. His party still cannot be trusted with national security to this day because of his legacy of screwing the pooch in Vietnam.

And, as noted above, he took the political capital he derived from JFK´s death and created a monster welfare state that has destroyed the fabric of our nation, destroyed the family structure for millions and millions of people and laid the groundwork for the disaster currently occupying the White House.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Keekng, 2/16/2014 9:34:39 AM     (No. 9734572)

I agree with all the above posts. Johnson is not one to be admired.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 2/16/2014 9:57:13 AM     (No. 9734605)

Poor, poor LBJ.

He was such a nice guy - - a true socialist if there ever was one - - and people kept picking on him just because he was completely incompetent.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 2/16/2014 10:00:06 AM     (No. 9734611)

Don´t be too hard on LBJ. Remember, he inherited McNamara and Rusk and other incompetents from JFK. They had a bigger hand in Vietnam and the War on Poverty than LBJ himself. He was just dumb to listen to them.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 2/16/2014 10:02:07 AM     (No. 9734616)

Baloney. Johnson, the Democrats running congress, and the first generation crony capitalists all worked to prevent victory and extent it at the expense of those who went. I have long said about that war that you cannot lose what you are not trying to win.

That bunch handed Nixon a giant mess, then tried to blame him for the war.

I despise Johnson to this day. Fortunately for him, since his death, there have been two far worse presidents, Carter the Incompetent, and The Messiah.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Hotcorner, 2/16/2014 10:06:22 AM     (No. 9734619)

Another man who never ran a business just like Obama and tries to run everything - the most arrogant men they are. My brother served in Vietnam and nicknamed him "L.B. Jerk."

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 2/16/2014 10:09:53 AM     (No. 9734625)



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Reply 11 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 2/16/2014 10:14:03 AM     (No. 9734626)

In my lifetime, I have suffered under 3 of the worse 5 presidents in history. Johnson was an absolute disasters that has needlessly killed more Americans and destroyed more of the US society than any other president. He might end up better cause Obambi has finished his destructive rein yet.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Freeloader, 2/16/2014 10:16:45 AM     (No. 9734628)

"Landslide" Lyndon´s Legacy?...How to go from having to borrow the bus fare to Washington, D.C. in 1932, to having an estate adjudicated at over $98,000,000.00 in 1973!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Harleynyc, 2/16/2014 10:18:58 AM     (No. 9734629)

LBJ made blood money on the war.
That was his motivation.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: abiner, 2/16/2014 10:20:28 AM     (No. 9734631)

I´m curious about that "CNN poll." I suspect the sampling was 87% Democrat, 8% Republican, and 5% Others.

Kennedy polls at 90%? He didn´t get that kind of approval when he was actually president. Where in Hell did that figure come from?

As one who has lived through every administration from Roosevelt through the current incompetent boob, I can say with certainty that the three absolutely worst presidents I´ve experienced, in order, are Obama, Carter, and Johnson.

While Luci and the other apologists might try to rewrite history and clean up Johnson´s image, for those of us who remember, its like trying to portray Jane Fonda as a victim of circumstance (or the Dem´s favorite excuse, youthful indiscretions.)

Put it away, Luci, it won´t wash.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: DaddyO, 2/16/2014 10:26:23 AM     (No. 9734636)

LBJ, proven to have won his first election in the senate by massive voter fraud, is also alleged to have plotted the murders of several people in the 1950s and 1960s.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: F15 Gork, 2/16/2014 10:34:35 AM     (No. 9734642)

You cannot fight a war when folks 10,000 miles away are picking the targets. I bombed a target in Laos one night that the frag described as "An abandoned truck park of no military significance" - rot in hell LBJ, you earned it!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: FunOne, 2/16/2014 10:42:36 AM     (No. 9734652)

It is a massive tribute to the old white guys who were the fathers of this country that they created a governmental structure that allowed us to survive LBJ and Carter.

Obama seems like the ultimate test to American survival, however.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: LouD, 2/16/2014 10:49:09 AM     (No. 9734662)

I disagree with #2 as to who started the escalation of the Vietnam War. Look at the troop figures starting in 1961 through 1963, and you will see that the escalation started with JFK. It is rumored that they were behind the assassination of Vietnam´s president Diem in 1963. So it wasn´t all Johnson´s doing. There is plenty of blame to go around.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: skywarrior, 2/16/2014 10:53:40 AM     (No. 9734668)

Spot on #4. I spent much of 1968-1970 flying out of Danang, and I can assure you that we all knew at the time what the outcome would be. We knew that the politicians, particularly LBJ, were simply sacrificing us for their own cynical political agendas. The Rules of Engagement for aerial combat in North Vietnam back then were the role model for the disastrous ROE our troops in Afghanistan now face. Democrat treason is timeless.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: RancherJack, 2/16/2014 11:00:28 AM     (No. 9734673)

Adam Nagourney demonstrates - and in public - his astonishing ignorance of the Parrs, of Duval County, Texas.

Google it, I ain´t got time to educate the know-nothings ..

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Reply 21 - Posted by: PChristopher, 2/16/2014 11:15:29 AM     (No. 9734692)

LBJ was a sneaking, conniving dirtbag who was in over his head micromanaging Vietnam and didn´t get anywhere near the punishment from history that he truly deserved.

Oh, and by the way... we can also thank him for the absolute mess that Social Security is today.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: lazyman, 2/16/2014 11:20:39 AM     (No. 9734699)

I wonder if the toilet he sat on to give orders will be part of the display.
I did, however think his acting was great in the movie Forrest Gump.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Doctor P, 2/16/2014 11:25:47 AM     (No. 9734708)

She should follow Sen Aiken´s advice - declare victory and go home - with the same results.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 11:52:06 AM     (No. 9734735)

#20, Landslide Lyndon won his 87 vote margin with fraud in Jim Wells County (ballots cast in alphabetical order) and 10,000 rigged votes in Bexar County (San Antonio). Does anyone else remember that Governor Coke Stevenson won the primary, but not by the required margin. It´s in the runoff where the worst shenanigans took place. John Connally was instrumental (literally) in engineering the skewed results. It took a week to count the runoff ballots.

The Duke of Duvall County, George Parr, was responsible for a lot of really bad stuff and certainly helped Johnson over to victory. This is from Wikipedia:

"Parr´s most infamous act of political corruption was browbeating election officials in nearby Jim Wells County into ensuring the primary victory of Lyndon B. Johnson in the U.S. senatorial election of 1948. The incident went down in Alice, Texas history as "Box 13." This is a reference to the precinct in which the Parr machine created 203 more votes for Johnson, many from allegedly dead Mexican voters."

Coke Stevenson was my grandfather´s best friend and a fine man. His spirit was broken by that election. So was my family´s collective heart.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 11:53:05 AM     (No. 9734736)

Obviously, #20 knew all this. I´m just helping with the background.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 2/16/2014 12:18:56 PM     (No. 9734769)

I must say that LBJ sure learned how to not win a war from the best. Harry Truman. And many conservatives still love the uncouth trash.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 2/16/2014 12:20:40 PM     (No. 9734771)

Another President who LIED ! This about the situation/deaths/injuries that were occurring in VietNam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 2/16/2014 12:34:30 PM     (No. 9734781)

Don´t worry Luci. Almost every movie about Vietnam conveniently omits LBJ and shows Nixon as president during the Vietnam War. One more dumbed-down generation and he´ll be a conquering hero.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: wsdiego, 2/16/2014 12:42:24 PM     (No. 9734785)

LBJ´s strategy of "Measured Response" that in fact prolong the war because it showed a lack of will, giving NV the insight to just hang on until the US became exhausted and demoralized from lost of life! To say he didn´t want the war after his family made so much money from it is mind numbing!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: harper, 2/16/2014 1:13:27 PM     (No. 9734827)

It seems to me that the assassination of JFK is a far larger disaster than it first appeared because of the rise of LBJ.

Notwithstanding the multiple issues swirling around JFK, it is possible and perhaps likely that a continued JFK Presidency would not have led to the total disaster in VN that LBJ created. Same for the Great Society welfare disaster that overtook blacks and taxpayers and cripples us to this day.

We all would have been better off with JFK screwing around than LBJ screwing the country.

While normal people focus on and laugh at Jimmah Peanut´s gutless, gormless and floundering times, LBJ did far more long term damage to the country. He was, at his core, a criminal with no moral compass. Jimmah was just a well meaning fool.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 2/16/2014 1:13:59 PM     (No. 9734830)

What about the ´quagmire´ of LBJ´s "Great Society"? You know, the one of which he remarked "I´ll have those *so and so´s* voting Democrat for the next 200 years..."

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Reply 32 - Posted by: afherkdriver, 2/16/2014 1:37:03 PM     (No. 9734857)

I remember taxiing by piles of coffins stacked by the end of the runway at Kadena. They couldn´t send them home all at once since there were too many. Running a war from the Oval Office. How stupid!

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Reply 33 - Posted by: steelbreeze, 2/16/2014 1:48:49 PM     (No. 9734870)

Of course he couldnt get out of Vietnam...he listened to Robert Strangs McNamara

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Reply 34 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/16/2014 2:07:37 PM     (No. 9734887)

As someone who spent the year 1968 in Vietnam, including getting to experience the Tet Offensive around the Saigon region, is is now clear that Johnson could have pulled the plug at anytime when hundreds of Americans were being killed every month there and initiated the big bug out. If he had done that thousands of American lives would have been saved and Vietnam would probably be about the same country as it is today.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: dman, 2/16/2014 2:40:00 PM     (No. 9734931)

Karma´s a b***h. Just ask John Kennedy and Barry Goldwater, among others, why LBJ deserved what he got.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: grounded, 2/16/2014 5:11:08 PM     (No. 9735049)

After the manufactured crisis precipitated by the Big Lie that was the Gulf of Tonkin attack/resolution in 1964 the escalation of US forces in ´Nam really took off. When LBJ became president in 1963 there were less than 20,000 American armed forces in the theater. By 1968 over half a million. Ms Johnson, if you grieve on account of Lyin´ Lyndon´s VN legacy, remeber that it is the product of a massive fraud that your daddy berpetrated in the first place.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 2/16/2014 5:48:58 PM     (No. 9735093)

He was a filthy feral pig of a man. He was quite proud of his cheating record on his lovely wife, Lady Bird. He would lie, cheat, and steal to win an election. He was a thug of the highest order in the Senate. Laughing about picking bombing targets in North Vietnam with maps spread out all over the Oval Office floor is not what we consider admirable leadership in a Commander in Chief. Hiring Robert McNamara to run a war was a shameful decision, and sticking by him immoral. What a despicable man, husband, and politician he was. I´m ashamed to call him a Texan.


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Reply 38 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 2/17/2014 2:24:02 AM     (No. 9735360)

An awful man, and an awful president. Sorry, Lucie, we know you love your father, but there isn´t enough lipstick in the world to put on this pig.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/17/2014 3:05:49 AM     (No. 9735365)

LBJ was a greedy, power-mongering, evil monster who personally profited off the Vietnam War through his construction and heavy equipment company. He was happy as a clam to keep that war going. The vast majority of soldiers died during his tenure in office. He is despicable...reprehensible... And that doesn´t even touch upon all the other things he did to destroy America--including the destruction of the nuclear black family, the policies that actually perpetuate poverty and the enslavement of the underclass.

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GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
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In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
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Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
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WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Stop dressing so tacky for church
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CNN, by John Blake    Original Article
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If the Rev. John DeBonville could preach a sermon to lift the souls of churchgoers across America, his message would be simple: Stop dressing so tacky for church. DeBonville has heard about the “come as you are” approach to dressing down for Sunday service, but he says the Sabbath is getting too sloppy. When he scans the pews of churches, DeBonville sees rows of people dressed in their Sunday worst. They saunter into church in baggy shorts, flip-flop sandals, tennis shoes and grubby T-shirts. Some even slide into the pews carrying coffee in plastic foam containers as if they’re going to Starbucks. “It’s like

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
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The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

The Growing Financial Disaster of Obamacare
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Power Line, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
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President Obama asserts that 8 million people have signed up for Obamacare, as though that were something to be proud of. In fact, Obamacare has always been a fiasco from a fiscal perspective–a black hole of subsidies and expanded Medicaid, with largely fictitious mechanisms in place to pay for it. As the number of subsidized participants grows, the disaster gets worse. Charles Blahous explains: Our national discussion…is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come. It is quite possible that the ACA is

Gospel story of Jesus’ resurrection a
source of deep rifts in Christian religion

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Washington Post, by Kimberley Winston    Original Article
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“On the third day, he rose again.” That line, from the Nicene Creed, is a foundational statement of Christian belief. It declares that three days after Jesus died on the cross, he was resurrected, a glimmer of the eternal life promised to believers. It’s the heart of the Easter story in seven little words. But how that statement is interpreted is the source of some of the deepest rifts in Christianity — and a stumbling block for some Christians, and more than a few skeptics. Did Jesus literally come back from the dead in a bodily resurrection, as many traditionalist


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