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White roofs could curb warming
from urban growth, study finds

Los Angeles Times, by Tony Barboza

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Posted By:Ribicon, 2/12/2014 8:09:46 PM

In the debate over how to confront climate change, carbon dioxide gets most of the attention. But at the city level, new research suggests, we ought to be looking just as critically at how urban growth is raising temperatures. A group of researchers found that as urban areas in the United States expand, so too will the “heat island effect,” in which pavement, rooftops, parking lots and other hard surfaces absorb heat and slowly release it, boosting temperatures higher than rural surroundings. By century’s end, the built environment will contribute as much to rising temperatures in cities across the United States

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They won´t quit, and with the invisible opposition, why should they? Instead of orange jumpsuits there are promises of fat jobs for the likes of ex-Science Czar Steven Chu, another mansion for Crazed Sex Poodle AlGor, etc.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Topic Thunder, 2/12/2014 8:14:14 PM     (No. 9730086)

If it ain´t white it ain´t right!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 2/12/2014 8:19:00 PM     (No. 9730091)

Still talking as if it´s settled science instead of a theory that´s been proven to be flawed.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: leonardo, 2/12/2014 8:21:46 PM     (No. 9730098)

So, what IS the "correct" temperature for planet earth?
If you DON´T KNOW, what is your scientific reason for trying to make any change?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: nhchemist, 2/12/2014 8:33:17 PM     (No. 9730109)

I love my dark roof. It melts the snow after the polar vortex wreaks it havoc.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: tren9, 2/12/2014 8:38:29 PM     (No. 9730117)

Painting roofs white would be racist.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: sg, 2/12/2014 8:42:10 PM     (No. 9730123)

Last year, the crisis de jour was "urban sprawl"...we had to cluster everyone in urban corridors and crappy apartments to avoid the dreaded "sprawl". Now it´s urban concentration. Make up your mind....Besides, I like our stand-alone house in the burbs, with our lawn and garden and backyard with shrubs that afford great privacy, so we can sit outside on nice days without the noise of the street or neighbors.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mackrand, 2/12/2014 8:47:43 PM     (No. 9730127)

So will snow in Louisiana and Georgia. And on the other side of the world, Istanbul was at the southern end of near permanent extensive snow cover last year....


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Reply 8 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 2/12/2014 9:00:32 PM     (No. 9730135)

I´ve conducted my own study and have concluded we could double the benefit if we all wore tin foil hats on sunny days.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: IowaDad, 2/12/2014 9:07:04 PM     (No. 9730143)

Our roofs are white as snow. And have been all winter. Will it never thaw?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: chance_232, 2/12/2014 9:15:53 PM     (No. 9730153)

Guys! This isn´t about globul warming. This is about:

1. The heat island effect

2. Energy efficiency.

If you have ever walked barefoot, on a hot sunny day, on black asphalt and then bare concrete, the idea of white roofs would be self evident. ESPECIALLY in the south and south west. Likewise a black car vs a white car. Black absorbs sunlight and holds heat whereas white reflects sunlight and remains cooler. Its why CCTV camera housings are white. And its why cities have higher ambient air temps than in rural areas.

Also, buildings with white roofs, because of the reflective quality of white, are easier to cool in the summer. Down here in Dixie, just about every commercial building going up has a white roof. You just cant see it.

A white roof is smart if you live in a hot sunny environment. If you live in the great white north, a dark roof would make more sense.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: stockfootage, 2/12/2014 9:17:44 PM     (No. 9730157)

It must also mean that white people are better for the environment.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 2/12/2014 9:36:39 PM     (No. 9730177)

Actually back in the 1950s a standard house roof in Los Angeles was tarpaper and white gravel/rocks for the limited cooling it provided in summer heat. Variants on it are still fairly common on flat-roofed apartment buildings and the like. However, I doubt the effect can be measured. If you want cool plant a tree, but that takes water which we also ain´t got.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bohallx, 2/12/2014 9:50:29 PM     (No. 9730199)

The urban heat island effect has grown in scale proportionate to the repaving of the massive Interstate highway system with black top rather than concrete

No doubt that´s a koinkydink

Frankly, I´m in the school of thought that holds that the nation´s 2000 or so standard weather stations were not adequate to the task.

Most of them were far from automatic

The data gathering activity was too sloppy to be trusted



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Reply 14 - Posted by: mitzi, 2/12/2014 10:40:53 PM     (No. 9730244)

Anybody care to make a guess how long roofs in urban areas are going to remain white?

Wasn´t this idea floated several years ago? It sounds familiar. I´m going to google ...

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mitzi, 2/12/2014 10:44:17 PM     (No. 9730250)

I thought there was something familiar about this.

The Easy Fix That Isn’t: White Roofs May Increase Global Warming

But a white roof does just the opposite. It bounces sunlight right back into the sky, just as light clothing helps you stay cool in the summer. Cooler buildings need less air conditioning, which translates to fewer emissions of heat-trapping gases. That’s why Energy Secretary (and Physics Nobel prizewinner) Steven Chu endorsed the idea back in 2009 and why cities like New York and Philadelphia have launched white-roof projects.

http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/white-roofs-may-increase-global-warming

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Reply 16 - Posted by: thewarden, 2/12/2014 11:38:34 PM     (No. 9730290)

Yes because I need something else to touch up or repaint every so often! Not!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly, 2/12/2014 11:44:49 PM     (No. 9730297)

Many of the old weather reporting surface stations have been in the same locations for decades, some for over 100 years.
They´ve been encroached upon by urban growth. Air conditioners located directly adjacent to the thermometer, vehicles parked next to thermometers, nearby heat generating electronics and electrical components and sensors being located in the middle of large areas of asphalt/concrete.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: 4poster, 2/13/2014 12:37:19 PM     (No. 9730980)

There is a reason roofs in high humidity regions are black. You can try white but it will be black in a matter of weeks or months from mold and mildew growth.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Pinchem, 2/13/2014 11:45:52 PM     (No. 9731767)

#0 seems to have the only intelligent post here. I have to laugh at the naysayers about white roofs. This was done a lot in Florida many years ago and probably still is, houses with gravel roofs painted white were cooler than those with dark roofs, especially shingles. But then what does years of experience mean vs those in this thread?


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