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Teachers oppose tying student
test scores to teacher licensing,
push for legislative change

Associated Press, by Staff

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. – When Tennessee was competing for a half-billion dollars in federal education money, teachers agreed to allow the state to ramp up its use of student test scores for evaluating educators. But since winning the $500 million Race to the Top competition in 2010, teachers say the state has gone too far in using student test scores to assess their performance. Teachers say that isn´t what they signed up for when the state was competing for the prestigious and lucrative Race to the Top grant. They are now calling for legislation to place a moratorium on the use

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: PChristopher, 2/9/2014 1:56:05 PM     (No. 9725720)

I assume this means they want zero accountability for doing a proper job. I don´t understand that so i must be racist

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 2/9/2014 2:11:19 PM     (No. 9725730)

been in a classroom lately? the mainstreaming of FAR below average IQ students has hurt all the others. The results are predictable, and have led to teachers cooperating in "fixing" errors on the student´s test papers.
Some of you occasionally read Fred Reed´s site. Or ask any city cop about the calls he´s been on in a home that has ZERO books, and no interest in reading or otherwise "acting white", or mom wants the kid to remain illiterate so as to collect a "crazy check" for him/her.
You really expect a classroom teacher to overcome that environment?
teachers and the NEA/AFT types deserve lots of blame. But lots of it needs to be directed at parents. And at bureaucratic idiots.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Northcross, 2/9/2014 2:25:20 PM     (No. 9725739)

The teachers have a valid point. Far too many students have no incentive to learn, and there is very little the teacher can do to correct that. Other measures must be included to fairly evaluate teachers, rewarding the good ones and dumping the duds.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 2/9/2014 2:49:35 PM     (No. 9725767)

If teachers are going to be extravagantly, then "tenure" must go out the window. You can´t have it both ways.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: grampus, 2/9/2014 3:11:34 PM     (No. 9725788)

Agree with some of the above posts regarding the difficulty or impossibility of teaching lots of kids. One idea (which NEA/AFT/etc. would never accept) but I would put in place if I were king: A national ssubject test that paid according to a teacher´s score. Acceptable score translated into basic pay. Levels of higher scores would mean higher levels of pay. Unacceptable scores...out you go. Would incentivize self improvement and encourage sharp teachers to remain in teaching. I realize that teaching involves more than an ability to test well (been there, done that) but this would eliminate the doofuses and give students..im most cases....a better chance at getting a good education.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: killerbee, 2/9/2014 3:36:29 PM     (No. 9725805)

One of the big problems in the testing system -- which I think is necessary considering how much tax money goes into these schools -- is the reporting. It´s not just the scores. We homeschool through the public school system in a charter school and our school is required to do testing. The majority of families involved in this school have special needs and learning disabled kids who they´ve taken out of the other schools because they weren´t learning. Our test scores are pretty low as a result of the type of students we have. Do we lose our charter based on those numbers?

There are schools in our area that are majority Spanish speaking. Regardless of the other arguments, these schools exist and their test results are low. But that doesn´t mean the teachers aren´t doing the best they can to teach these kids English along with all their other subjects.

So this is my problem with testing being tied to teacher licensing. There must be some way to report student progress, but taking test numbers on face value and Common Core (bleh) standards don´t seem to be the way to do it.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/9/2014 3:37:49 PM     (No. 9725809)

Race tothe Top was never anything but a reward to teacher´s unions who helped Obama get elected.I don´t get the idea of having t opay teachers extra for just doing their damn job.

The unions know there´s no way to improve tests in hardhead areas of the country but instead of pushing to get rid of the program,they´ll just take the bonus money and say thank you very much.

This program is also probably leading to test cheating also.They got busted in Atlanta for scrubbing kid´s tests.What´s bizarre is some of these kids are simply staying in school so they can get a money grab going to college.Another liberal subgroup are college students and we´re wasting billions on trying to educate hem in useless fields of endeavor.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: smcchk, 2/9/2014 4:23:33 PM     (No. 9725844)

Teachers in desirable schools with high-performing students would get the advantage while any teacher, no matter how good, in a tough school, would be at a disadvantage. This would be like paying a doctor more for better outcomes; who would want to treat the more desperately ill patients? Better to impose less control rather than more. Allow school choice wherever possible. Let the parents, I.e. customers, reward the teachers and systems.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: LouD, 2/9/2014 4:42:14 PM     (No. 9725852)

A few years back, Mass. introduced a test for newly graduated teacher wannabes. Of the first group to take the test, something like 50% flunked. These were the products of state colleges. I don´t know if they still test them, but at the time the union cried about how it was unfair.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: trapper, 2/9/2014 4:58:47 PM     (No. 9725870)

#2 gets it. Garbage in, garbage out. Instead of blaming the teachers for the kids who refuse to do the work, how about terminating all parental rights of the parents whose students fail. Or maybe terminate their welfare, Obama phone, free cable TV, foodstamp card, etc., if their kids fail a grade.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rlcnutter, 2/9/2014 5:03:49 PM     (No. 9725871)

I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, teachers really do need to be held accountable. On the other hand, to reward teachers for test scores at the exclusion of other criteria unjustly rewards teachers at high-performance schools. My brother-in-law, for example, teaches at a Georgia high school for talented students and teaches very advanced forms of math, beyond calculus. Of course his students are going to test well. But if he had to teach in a South Atlanta school I seriously doubt his students´ scores would be affording him much by way of reward from the bureaucracy.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: stablemoney, 2/9/2014 5:27:52 PM     (No. 9725885)

Let´s start with liberals, unions, administrators, political correctness, curriculum, and discipline. Teachers have little say in their arrangement, so why blame them for the arrangement.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: dittohead, 2/9/2014 5:49:32 PM     (No. 9725902)

If parents don´t care then students don´t care - too many are on life time welfare so why do they need an education or a job?

One solution - get the feds out of the education business and shut down the Dept of Education - leave it to local and state governments.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: provide, 2/9/2014 5:57:39 PM     (No. 9725911)

Of course Common Core will address this.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 2/9/2014 6:27:48 PM     (No. 9725934)

To the extent there needs to be a tie-in, it needs to be based on student improvement - or "value added". However, measuring improvement is not an easy task.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Patchy groundfog, 2/9/2014 6:31:03 PM     (No. 9725935)

Public schools are child abuse.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MissMann, 2/9/2014 7:18:26 PM     (No. 9725963)

Agree with above posters: almost all of the students struggling have either learning disabilities and have been mainstreamed into a regular class or have family situations that set them up for failure.

It is wonderful when an amazing teacher is somehow able to overcome some of that, but how in the world do we expect good teachers to choose to teach in "low performing schools" (those with an abundance of the above problems) when they will not only work their bottoms off AND be penalized by the totally expected lower-than-average test scores?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mickturn, 2/9/2014 8:46:58 PM     (No. 9726004)

Fine, then when the teachers union makes us pay more for their pathetic methods we just cut them off.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: AGGW, 2/10/2014 12:15:00 AM     (No. 9726130)

What #8 said.

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