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The Final Constitutional Option
American Thinker, by Robert Berry

Original Article

Posted By:SpeedMaster, 2/9/2014 7:11:05 AM

Having been dormant for centuries, a potent section in the U.S. Constitution is now in the minds and on the lips of a new generation of reformers who are determined to keep the nation out of an abyss. As America stares hard at the darkness ahead, the new reformers have begun to popularize this forgotten constitutional provision that might well become Official Washington´s undoing. The problem, which hardly needs stating, is that the federal government has become the very monster the founders anticipated. Quite likely, the beast we face is far beyond anything that could have been imagined by the founding

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An interesting history lesson.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: John c, 2/9/2014 7:21:49 AM     (No. 9725237)

FTA: Natelson´s research ....has become the intellectual base of the resurgent Article V movement that has been joined by Levin and other prominent reformers. When the history is written, it will record that this was the moment the Article V movement achieved critical mass.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 2/9/2014 7:32:22 AM     (No. 9725243)

If Mark Levin says it´s okay, then it is fine with me. Mark is a Constitutionalist.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 2/9/2014 7:38:29 AM     (No. 9725249)

I too have been hearing heartland rumbles about this. Historian David Barton is also rumbling pretty loudly, too. I pray this takes wings and flies, because as the article states, this will never get proposed from within Washington´s halls of Congress. It must come from the States.

Go for it, or we´re doomed.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/9/2014 7:47:09 AM     (No. 9725256)

Even though the Founders had a sound concept of corruption,they weren´t explicit enough in outlining the boundaries to keep it in check. The 3 branches of government was enough for them so a concentration of power would never happen.The court system is basically in shambles and it´s power to reign in abusive power has been greatly diminished. There´s been several things the court has ruled unconstitutional,yet the left comes up with a new angle to getaround the decision. I´m sure they said affirmative action creates reverse discrimination and pretty much killed the concept. But along comes the left with diversity which is basically the same.Judge Roberts said busing for diversity is unconstitutional but they´re still doing it anyway.Since obama got elected,reverse discrimination has never been worse,Obamacare being a huge example.

More and more big companies are being co-opted by the left.The most recent example is CVS pharmacies pulling tobacco products off the shelf,despite kissing $2 billion a year in revenues goodbye.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ruready?, 2/9/2014 7:50:40 AM     (No. 9725262)

We need to do this.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 2/9/2014 7:51:23 AM     (No. 9725264)

It´s been clear all along: Americans are going to have to take to the streets and get rid of these sick clowns if America is ever to be recovered. Articles like this one will help get this movement started.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: JHBoatwright, 2/9/2014 7:55:29 AM     (No. 9725267)

Lord 0 will reply:
Since nobody told me about this, just forget it.
And besides, the IRS will audit everybody who says anything about this.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jglas, 2/9/2014 8:11:56 AM     (No. 9725280)

This sounds promising. I remember the scare during the BBA amendment effort that if they convened a constitutional convention it would end in effect as a coup as they threw out the old constitution and wrote a new one to be whatever they wanted. If the convention (or whatever it is called) is restricted to proposing amendments which have to be ratified by at least 38 states it sounds pretty safe. I´d like to see that balanced budget amendment get passed (the congress will never restrict themselves in that manner any more than the average person would restrict themselves to never borrow money). That alone would destroy the rush to socialism as there isn´t enough other people´s money to implement socialism as anything other than a pauper state. They´d have to grow the economy to raise revenues (and incidentally individuals would have to get jobs as the welfare state dries up).

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 2/9/2014 8:23:38 AM     (No. 9725294)

Let´s roll.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: nycvoter, 2/9/2014 8:35:05 AM     (No. 9725310)

link is not working.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: WAN2, 2/9/2014 8:49:45 AM     (No. 9725329)

"As America stares hard at the darkness ahead...?" More likely: asleep at the switch.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Coy860, 2/9/2014 8:53:53 AM     (No. 9725337)

If you haven´t yet read Mark Levin´s Liberty Amendments, please do so.
EACH state Legislature must vote and decide to move forward to regain powers belonging to the states. This will not be a runaway train wreck, just a restoration of States´ Rights. The Framers of the Constitution placed Article 5 for WE the People. The FEDS serve us, not the other way around.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pammie, 2/9/2014 8:59:33 AM     (No. 9725347)

DITTOS to Mark Levin! :D

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Starlifter Nav, 2/9/2014 9:01:37 AM     (No. 9725352)

Levin has gone to some lengths to explain why the concept as he´s proposed it would not become the "runaway convention" that its critics use to oppose it.

Link´s not working for me either.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: heartlandconservative, 2/9/2014 9:24:00 AM     (No. 9725383)

How many on this thread have actually done an indepth study of the Constitution, federalist papers or a non-revisionist history of our country. All the answers to the problems we face are there in black and white, yet the majority of so called patriots/conservatives will not take the time. Seems everyone is standing around waiting for a leader or someone to tell them what it all means. The Founders/framers said in no uncertian terms that it is the peoples responsibility the reign in bad government.
If you are waiting for a leader to take you where you don´t know where, you won´t like where you end up. Besides, you are the leader.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 2/9/2014 9:24:52 AM     (No. 9725384)

would this convention have each state voting as an equal, no weight given for population, kind of like the senate?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Pinchem, 2/9/2014 9:32:14 AM     (No. 9725398)

Don´t know why you folks are having trouble with the link. I just clicked on it, read the article and now posting here.

I would hope this would be done but I have little hope when so many other things could have been done and were not because too many lazies are still sitting behind their computers whining instead of out working for America.

Nay you say. Well when polls have shown that the Liberals are in the minority and the Conservatives and Christians are in the majority then why are the Liberals wagging the dog by the tail, controlling the media and stomping God and Christianity out of existence?

If the figure 98 million Americans not working is correct, why are they not rebelling against the government?

I rest my case.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: chumley, 2/9/2014 10:10:08 AM     (No. 9725464)

I must disagree with #15´s assertion that we are all leaders. We most certainly are not. Most of us are not even very good followers. My time in the military showed that beyond all doubt.
A leader is not just some schmo that has a flash of inspiration and comes out with an occasional catch phrase. A leader doesn´t have just vision and inspiration, he is articulate and can replace peoples´ unhappiness with his passion and optimism. He will make you believe in your heart that things can and will be better, and whatever sacrifices you may have to make will not be for nothing.
Palin is a leader. Reagan was a leader. Boehner is not. Neither is McConnell. It is a very rare quality.
I would love for one to emerge. We need one.


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Reply 19 - Posted by: mws50, 2/9/2014 10:25:16 AM     (No. 9725487)

Agreed #18. I´m very pessimistic about this, especially with all the seemingly rational people that have bought into the negative hype about Sarah Palin.

I believe the only thing that will work is a separation. Blue states can keep their Utopian fantasies and the normal states will form a more perfect Union.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: clayusmcret, 2/9/2014 10:45:04 AM     (No. 9725514)

Between the extreme left and spin-offs on the right, e.g. the Paulista´s (remember how much craziness they caused in the primaries of the past two elections? Even the online polls became useless.), I´m not sure we´d be doing ourselves any favors. I agree there are tweaks that should be done, specifically toward reigning in the federal takeover of our every waking moment or decisions, but I don´t see how we could control the mayhem that could come out of it.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 2/9/2014 12:22:43 PM     (No. 9725627)

I don´t question the process or the intent; I question the outcome.

We MIGHT get 34 state legislatures to propose this and get it to the final approval process. But get 3/4 of the legislatures to pass it? Doubtful. Too many dem states have let themselves get into so much financial trouble and are counting on Washington to bail them out. A BBA would almost certainly prevent that bail out.

There would be a lot of time, energy, and money put into getting it done. If it isn´t feasible from the start, is this what we should be focusing?

To be clear, I´m not saying no. I would love to see it happen. And I don´t know that it is impossible. But I want to understand the realities involved.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 2/9/2014 1:33:22 PM     (No. 9725696)

I remain steadfast in the belief that Washington DC is irredeemably corrupt, and that it will provide no resolution of the struggle between freedom and totalitarianism other than to impose the latter. The Tea Party is being attacked by every element of the ruling class: both political parties, the mainstream propaganda machine, every federal agency and every institution that has been hijacked by the socialists - academia, unions, the lawyer guild, and on and on. This is proof that the Tea Party is exactly what Americans need. This Orwellian campaign may require that the Tea Party goes underground, particularly because it is also in danger of being co-opted by the Karl Roves in the GOP. It is absolutely essential that the Tea Party disassociate itself from the GOP.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Rafter, 2/9/2014 5:45:51 PM     (No. 9725897)

The writer´s glib assertions notwithstanding...

Not likely to happen...
and the MSM will howl it down.

The original framers had no concept of television and talking heads...
the chattering class...
the pea-brained idiots and blind egos.

The framers lived in a completely different world of aristocratic domination
of all dialogue and discussion.

Women could not vote then.
Minorities were powerless as slaves.
Most Americans were poorly educated.
The elites did what they wanted.

The quaint notions of a professor off in Montana...
no matter how well researched...
no matter how well intended...
make little difference in the face of Chuck Schumer and the NYT today.

It won´t happen.
Just vote in 2014...
and 2016.
Those elections will happen.
Just vote.

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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
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Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?


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