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Must the Obamacare Debate Be Stupid?
Washington Post, by E. J. Dionne

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Posted By:addicted_to_coffee, 2/6/2014 11:28:29 AM

One of the best arguments for health-insurance reform is that our traditional employer-based system often locked people into jobs they wanted to leave but couldn´t because they feared they wouldn´t be able to get affordable coverage elsewhere. This worry was pronounced for people with pre-existing conditions but not limited to them. Consider families with young children in which one of the parents would like to get out of the formal labor market for a while to take care of the kids. In the old system, the choices of such couples were constrained if only one of the two received employer-provided family

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Reply 1 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 2/6/2014 11:32:08 AM     (No. 9721782)

It´s only STUPID if you are part of the decate EJ!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 2/6/2014 11:32:37 AM     (No. 9721784)

DEBATE!! (sorry)

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Northcross, 2/6/2014 11:38:37 AM     (No. 9721789)

Loss of jobs is a wonderful thing. A position so absurd it is only embraced by leftist politicians, ivory tower academics, and sycophantic journalists like E.J. Dionne.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 2/6/2014 11:40:14 AM     (No. 9721792)

Oh poor EJ. Remember a few years back the debate wasn´t about the beauty of Obambicare to free Americans from jobs, but to provide 40 million or more Americans with insurance paid for by other Americans that actually work. Since job one is to provide insurance for everyone and the results thus far have been less than 4 million, Obambi and his minions must create straw man arguments to divert attention from the Obambicare failure to actually transfer wealth in significant numbers in the guise of insurance. So what if a few folks with insurance can now change jobs to get other people to pay for their insurance. That still leaves about 36+ million completely and utterly failed by the goal of Obambicare. Failure is as Failure does. And this is another Obambi and fascist party failure regardless of the ruby red lipstick on the pig.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Fransand, 2/6/2014 11:43:32 AM     (No. 9721799)

Mara Liasson´s reasoning on Special Report last night was indicative of the kind of thinking one must have to be a Liberal...

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Reply 6 - Posted by: krause, 2/6/2014 11:48:19 AM     (No. 9721809)

The left likes all the unintended consequences of the law. And there are many. And they don´t really seem to care how much ($) the law costs!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: pensom2, 2/6/2014 11:53:24 AM     (No. 9721816)

Here´s what´s stupid, EJ:
A 10-page bill would have served to make health insurance portable across the country. Instead, Zippy & the libs gave us a 3,000-page monstrosity that wreaks havok on health care and on the US economy.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 2/6/2014 11:59:39 AM     (No. 9721830)

Teh Stupid is strong in this one.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jalo1951, 2/6/2014 12:00:03 PM     (No. 9721832)

I am sick of hearing about how affordable, better, and wonderful obamacare is. I had insurance the last day of Dec. 2012. It cost me $400 a month. $2,500 deductible. Good prescription coverage. 80/20 on most everything else. I lost it on Jan. 1, 2013 because of obamacare. Ins. company was planning ahead and making changes. Everything was doubled. I could no longer afford it. I checked into obamacare just to see what they thought they were pulling over our eyes. I would never sign up. Premiums now $1,221 a month plus $10,000 deductible. That means I must pay $25,000 a year BEFORE they will pay anything. I went to the doctor twice last year and my husband went three times. This is a sham and these people need to be voted out of office. If I could not afford an $800 premium what makes them think I can afford $1,221? So mr. dionne you are the stupid one if you think this is good affordable coverage.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: kahunavol, 2/6/2014 12:00:56 PM     (No. 9721834)

When you pass your favorite legislation without debate you are apt to find the debate on the merits later to be somewhat painful. Painful is not a synonym for stupid.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: tc1969, 2/6/2014 12:06:20 PM     (No. 9721843)

Your characterization of the debate, EJ, is how I´ve always viewed your columns. They are as predictable as April showers, only not as necessary.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/6/2014 12:06:27 PM     (No. 9721844)

He starts out with a pretty stupid premise.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pearson365, 2/6/2014 12:07:05 PM     (No. 9721845)

When the WaPo´s new owner discovers that leftists like Dionne are simply rewriting WH talking points while pulling in $500,000 salaries they may be gone. Polishing comments made by Valerie Jarrett and her ilk during a 50 pm conference call for Obama´s media stooges isn´t journalism, no matter what the NYT, AP, Reuters or NPR claim.

Dionne, Ruth Marcus, Juan Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Charles Blow and a cauldron of others will hopefully be benefiting from Obamacare´s newly found freedom from "job lock".

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 2/6/2014 12:07:29 PM     (No. 9721846)

This has to be one of the most ironic articles to ever be printed. It´s as if the Red Queen of Alice´s Wonderland is the author. It lambasts the so-called "debate" over Øbamacare, as irrational, or stupid. And then it expresses in support one of the most irrational statements-

(FTA)" And it´s sometimes an economic benefit when some share of the labor force reduces hours or stops working altogether.”

Do they even read what they write? Truly, the inmates are running the institution!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Grambo, 2/6/2014 12:14:27 PM     (No. 9721852)

Leftist E. J. Dionne complains that the other side uses dishonest slogans and the media goes along.

Really, E.J.? Really?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: frodo, 2/6/2014 12:16:46 PM     (No. 9721858)

When one party has learned to manipulate elections by motivating low information voters to vote for them, well then yes. Of course the debate must be stupid. Almost by definition.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 2/6/2014 12:41:17 PM     (No. 9721884)

Obamacare´s cheerleaders (sadly, there are multitudes) are now using the breezy line ´Obamacare is working.´ What could be more stupid in terms of disconnect from reality and oversimplification?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: nimby, 2/6/2014 12:51:53 PM     (No. 9721899)

#13 sorry to burst your bubble. Bezos is a Obama supporter. There will be no change in the mindset of the little children at WaPO who are looking for Obama candies!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: TexasHillCountry, 2/6/2014 1:01:24 PM     (No. 9721915)

And heaven forbid that life sometimes might require hard choices, like keeping a distasteful job with benefits vs. moving to one more likeable, but without bennies.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mickturn, 2/6/2014 1:18:45 PM     (No. 9721930)

It´s purely Political, ergo it is STUPID!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 2/6/2014 1:26:06 PM     (No. 9721939)

EJ and other sycophants of BO are twisting this report into a pretzel to try to get it to come out acceptably. They first make an assumption without proof, that all these people that would drop out of the work force would do so because they are actually unable to work (the poor woman in pain). There is no evidence of that. It is just as likely that the woman´s husband is working to keep his insurance coverage for her. Why should he be given a release from work and his responsibilities be assumed by society? It is also possible that, while a person has a medical condition, they are perfectly able to work, even though they might prefer not to. Again, how does that earn them a free medical pass.

And as others have pointed out, EJs sales point here is over small issues that could have easily been addressed by a highly simpler law. Or by requiring insurance carriers to provide coverage at cost. Then, if a parent wanted to carry their 24 year old on their insurance, they would pay an appropriate premium, not have the costs picked up by society at large. Changes like this would have been simple and required NO government action except to set the policy.

And THAT is what it all comes down to. BO, EJ, and liberals et. al. want socialized health care, government in control. That is why BOCare was carried out as it was, as a strong push to government health care. They sucked in the insurance companies but they will fail because of the idiocy of the law. Then the government will have to "rescue" health coverage by taking it over.

You´re either delusional EJ or a liar.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: oh-heck, 2/6/2014 1:46:02 PM     (No. 9721973)

If you are working full time at age 64 and are in serious pain, you have not sought medical care under your plan, investigated disability, or talked to your employer about early retirement.

If you lose your job for any reason you can continue your health care coverage under COBRA. Most job changes go with the new company´s benefit plan.

To keep from being bankrupted by ObamaCare some companies have forcibly reduced available hours from 40 to 29. That´s a 27% cut in pay for the employee before even considering the loss of benefits. Come on EJ, tell us you would like a 27% cut in pay and loss of benefits so you can spend more quality time with your children.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: paloalto, 2/6/2014 1:57:25 PM     (No. 9722003)

The answer, of course is "yes," if the editorial from the NY Times yesterday is any indication. According to the left, Obamacare is liberating because it frees people from "joblock" to go on to travel, volunteer, learn new skills.

Well, the iceberg was liberating for the passengers of the Titanic. It freed them from "boatlock" and all that stale air aboard ship. (You folks in steerage, you know what I´m talking ´bout.) That beautiful iceberg liberated those poor folks to get out and enjoy the fresh sea air and learn a new skill -- swimming.

The intellectual knots liberals are forced to tie themselves into never ceases to amaze -- or to entertain.

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