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Will The Overselling Of Global Warming
Lead To A New Scientific Dark Age?

Forbes, by Patrick Michaels

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/4/2014 5:32:01 AM

Will the overselling of climate change lead to a new scientific dark age? That’s the question being posed in the latest issue of an Australian literary journal, Quadrant, by Garth Paltridge, one of the world’s most respected atmospheric scientists. Paltridge was a Chief Research Scientist with the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO). The latter is Australia’s equivalent of the National Science Foundation, our massive Federal Laboratory network, and all the governmental agency science branches rolled into one. Paltridge lays out the well-known uncertainties in climate forecasting. These include our inability to properly simulate clouds that are anything like what we


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Country Boy, 2/4/2014 6:33:57 AM     (No. 9718446)

The Global Warming scam only infects the Earth Science category. Categories of Life Sciences (medical, dental) remain unscathed, competitive and robust, so far.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bubby, 2/4/2014 6:34:22 AM     (No. 9718447)

Well I have very little respect left for "scientists" who have become like politicians. They are willing to promote a hoax like man made global warming just to secure governmental grants. They can be bought and to hell with the truth or facts. I suspect most of them are like journalists being leftists and willing to twist or ignore the truth for their leftist ideology. Say day when scientists are compared to politicians and journalists.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: walcb, 2/4/2014 8:35:25 AM     (No. 9718567)

I don´t think people have lost faith in scientists, just climate scientists. Now we are to believe that global warming is building but not expressing, like the building of tension when two tectonic plates collide and then release in an earthquake. Nice story, try again.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TarAndFeathers, 2/4/2014 8:37:32 AM     (No. 9718570)

Climate "science" never emerged from its own dark age. Practitioners no more deserve to wear a Scientist badge than do so-called sociologists.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: lifelonghuman, 2/4/2014 8:58:43 AM     (No. 9718606)

No, #4. I think what´s building is a massive distrust for science. And that will include all sciences, not just climate guys because so many have jumped on that train without looking at where it´s going. What they risk is a tsunami of indifference, which will manifest itself as a massive reduction in funding.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Redbone, 2/4/2014 9:02:45 AM     (No. 9718614)

I believe that the climate hoax has indeed harmed the reputation of all scientists, especially the life sciences. The climate hoax has exposed the depth of fraud involved in the peer review process and to what extremes scientists will go to secure funding and notoriety. It has exposed the widespread confirmation bias involved in clinical trials and the fallibility of statistical analysis.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: tank, 2/4/2014 9:02:55 AM     (No. 9718615)

It´s not just climate science, it´s all of it, and yes, the general public is increasingly wary of scientific discovery. Whether it be the seesawing between medical advice (caffeine good!/caffeine bad!), using science and statistics to gain politically, or the defensiveness of warmists, the public is losing their faith.

As a scientist (and one who works with applied environmental science), I fear for my profession.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: mickturn, 2/4/2014 9:13:38 AM     (No. 9718640)

Will? We´ve been in a Scientific Dark Age for at least 25 years...it´s all about the pork (grants) to study politically driven BS so the govt. can justify more theft of funds to solve a non-problem.

ALL of them should be put in prison for FRAUD!...including the politicians and MSM´ites that pushed this BS. AlBore, report to the nearest prison!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: FLCracker, 2/4/2014 9:14:15 AM     (No. 9718642)

Read the book "Why I Am Not a Scientist: Anthropology and Modern Knowledge" by
Jonathan Marks.

Title notwithstanding, Marks IS a scientist and offers up some shining examples of how personality, personal belief and just plain ole nasty human nature affects scientific results. This is a fun read.

Amusingly, Marks doesn´t seem to be able to apply his arguments to his own perspective on scientific issues.

Personally, I think "scientists" need to be pulled down peg or two. Everybody runs around acting like they are some sort of superior human.

In almost all cases, just because people are scientists doesn´t mean they can apply the scientific method to anything beyond the end of their microscopes.

They still scratch their armpits like the rest of us.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: lilo, 2/4/2014 9:33:23 AM     (No. 9718686)

Two simple things will lead to climate "science" downfall. One. The people who cannot predict the weather more than 10 days in advance, can firmly (and with a straight face) predict the weather 50 years in advance. Two. The morphing of "global warming" to climate change. The climate is ALWAYS changing. Man has nothing to do with climate change. I think the "scientists" didn´t factor that burny thing up in the sky in their pompous theories, nor the gases and airborne dust particles from volcanoes, nor the (admittedly very small) shifting of the earth´s axis from the two tremendous earthquakes in Peru and Japan in the very recent past. Mankind is a gnat on the back of an elephant. To think that we control the elephant is the very apex of arrogance.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: STLstudent, 2/4/2014 9:35:52 AM     (No. 9718690)

An interesting point in the article --- How much other "science" is the result of leftist, politically correct politics? When government throws billions of dollars at something, it perverts the object of government´s largesse.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Axeman, 2/4/2014 9:36:23 AM     (No. 9718692)

Mainly scientists receiving public funds. If the funds weren´t based on predetermined favorable outcomes then the scientists would not be perceived as corrupt when they come up with results counter to reality.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: smak90, 2/4/2014 9:50:41 AM     (No. 9718726)

Any science which is funded by governments will be corrupt by design in order to keep the funds coming in. If governments hadn´t funded global warming studies, the belief in it would have died a long time ago.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: farmwife, 2/4/2014 10:01:49 AM     (No. 9718744)

I am very skeptical of most scientific study that is being done on the taxpayers dime. It will ´prove´ whatever the grantor wants it to ´prove´.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: craige, 2/4/2014 10:23:08 AM     (No. 9718785)

I remember reading Toffler´s books in the 1990´s. He predicted that the norm would be lies and fallacies. Rumors would rule. Facts would be obscured.

Turns out he was right.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 2/4/2014 12:46:45 PM     (No. 9719097)

I think it is the political/media needs to hype everything. To carry out their goals they need to make everything SOOOO important that it cannot be ignored. If the earth warms, or cools, there will be some associated side effects, good and bad. Most of them will be small scale.

Well, that´s no good. Lets make it bigger, more scary. Heck, it´s supposed to happen a 100 years from now so we don´t have to worry about fact checking. Hey, it COULD happen! Kinda, sorta.

Still not good enough. Politics needs to steal money and power. For that you need a bad guy. Hmmmmm. CO2 is generated by industrialized countries, i.e. wealthy countries. CO2 could be associated with some warming, maybe.

OK. $$Business$$ is the bad guy and they are causing horrific things to happen sometime in the future. They MUST be made to pay! To politicians and their pals.

It´s not science I don´t trust. It´s the mix of anything associated with politics and/or media that is likely to be faked or hyped.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 2/4/2014 1:47:03 PM     (No. 9719187)

actually, the problem hits the life sciences as well. And not just from "splash" from fraudulent claims of the ´Warmist´ cult. There was an article posted the other day about a major Europan drug company taking a second look at some highly touted research claims. Some of which they -- not government but institutions including but not limited to universities - had helped to fund. Memory a bit sketchy, but if I recall, they went back for a second, verifying look at around 63 claims. All but 4 of them could not be reproduced.
getting gov´t grants is a factor. So is groupthink. But "publish or perish" also plays a role.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: jglas, 2/4/2014 1:59:02 PM     (No. 9719199)

There are hard sciences and soft sciences. Hard sciences are characterized by deterministic systems, those for which you can write equations involving initial conditions and the time variable t, plug in a value for t, calculate the state of the system at t and have a very strong expectation that a real system starting with the specified initial conditions would end up in that state at time t. Soft science deals with complex systems which are by their nature not predictable and described as chaotic. That is you can´t write deterministic equations that work as well as they do in a hard science . . . they´re way too sensitive to the initial conditions and go wrong fast. Some hard sciences are physics, chemistry, biology and mathematics. Some soft sciences are economics, sociology, meteorology and climatology. Meteorologists overcome the problem by projecting ahead only for very short periods and assume they´ll be close like a pilot dead reckoning his way to a nearby airport if he only knows its direction . . . even if he´s blown off course he´ll probably be close. The crime of climatologists has been to pretend the climatology is a hard science (climate is pretty obviously a complex system) and behave as though their computer models can accurately predict the future of earth´s climate (though they´re very careful to avoid stating that and simply call their outputs a range of possible scenarios). That doesn´t work well for complex systems and now for the last fifteen years or so the actual climate is increasingly outside their range of scenarios . . . proving only that their models are wrong and/or that climate is indeed a complex system.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: FLCracker, 2/4/2014 2:41:47 PM     (No. 9719251)

#18, problem with those "hard" sciences is that "soft" humans are still the ones running them. Seems like a human kind of fits your definition of a "soft science."

The question is, do we trust our scientists to not fudge results when it suits their all-too-human interests?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: harper, 2/4/2014 9:03:44 PM     (No. 9719710)

A factor in the future of science is that our scientists now and for the future are created in cookie-cutter factories infamous for the fact that they are both a dumping ground, and breeding site, for communism and every other dark force standing against our modern age.

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