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The GOP´s
Immigration Delusion

The New York Times, by Ross Douthat

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Posted By:AVFD15, 2/2/2014 9:53:25 AM

THE debate over immigration reform, rekindled last week by House Republican leaders, bears a superficial resemblance to last fall’s debate over the government shutdown. Again, you have establishment Republicans transparently eager to cut a deal with the White House and a populist wing that doesn’t want to let them do it. Again, you have Republican business groups and donors wringing their hands over the intransigence of the base, while talk-radio hosts and right-wing bloggers warn against an imminent inside-the-Beltway sellout. Again, you have a bill that could pass the House tomorrow — but only if John Boehner was willing to live

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Pros7767, 2/2/2014 10:05:40 AM     (No. 9715779)

I´m shocked to see this in the NYT.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: mikkins2, 2/2/2014 10:05:50 AM     (No. 9715780)

"Immigration ranks 16th on the public’s list of priorities, according to the latest Pew numbers, so it’s difficult to see how making this the signature example of a new, solutions-oriented G.O.P. is going to help the party in the near term. Whereas it’s much easier to see how it helps the Democrats"

Even Mr. Douthat can see the end result of this suicide mission the Republican Establishment is hell bent on taking the Republican Party on. If they were serious, the boarder would be the first thing they tackled. The grassroots and the base WANT the boarder secured before any legislation is offered. But yet.....

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Reply 3 - Posted by: MDConservative, 2/2/2014 10:06:18 AM     (No. 9715781)

This is all-in politics and it runs perfectly with the GOP strategy to alienate and rid itself of immoderate tea partiers, evangelicals, and all the "bitter clingers" who are the whacky relation that show up at those quadrennial reunions following the nominating trail to the national convention. The gamble is that the middle will yield more votes and money than the right wing nuts cost them, especially in a time that "moderates" are turning their backs on Obamacare and his imperial ways. So, the "extreme right" has two alternatives: Shut up and sing with the GOP chorus, or go fool with a third party...if this strategy succeeds, they are expendable.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jalo1951, 2/2/2014 10:10:27 AM     (No. 9715794)

So I guess the next move will be to give the black community everything they want in the hopes they will vote for republicans? Sucking up to the Hispanics and the blacks will not cause them to line up at the poles for republicans. No matter what they do the dems will demand more for their special groups. What do you do then? Give in but still not get their support or put your foot down and be seen as mean, evil and cruel?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mws50, 2/2/2014 10:12:08 AM     (No. 9715797)

Ross Douthat is a typical NYT employee; completely clueless.

He thinks the immigration laws are problematic to republicans, but is not a problem for democrats. He is implying that no one expects democrats to propose any rational solution to the perceived immigration problem.

Ross is ecstatic that the establishment republicans are now willing to act like democrats in regard to tax reform, poverty, health insurance/care, and prisons.

Hopefully, the TEA Party Republicans can ruin Ross´s delusions.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: wtm, 2/2/2014 10:18:04 AM     (No. 9715808)

For the Dems, the heavy push is ON !

They HAVE to get Amnesty down before this election, they need the new voters !!!

If Amnesty is passed, they WILL find out a way to allow them to vote BEFORE this election.

Expect this issue to be pushed hard all this Spring and into the Summer.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: artman1746, 2/2/2014 10:34:56 AM     (No. 9715844)

No, the delusion is that Democrats have any concern at all for Hispanics. If the influx of more Hispanics meant less Democrat voters the Democrat positions would turn on a dime. Democrats know more Mexican nationals entering or remaining in the US means more welfare costs, higher crime rates, lower wages for unskilled workers, poorer education, corrupt elections and a host of other negative impacts upon the culture. They don´t care. The only upside? More Democrat voters(both legal and illegal) and perpetual Democrat control of the national purse.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Harleynyc, 2/2/2014 10:35:41 AM     (No. 9715850)

The N.Y. Fools. All the B.S. that´s fit to print. If we flood the country with illegals, allowing the commie lib democrats to to take forever control, this country will be a wasteland, and the Times as well as any other business will cease to exist when the government takes over everything. The 2nd Iron Curtain nears.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/2/2014 11:20:34 AM     (No. 9715903)

By rushing ahead to facilitate what would be another 1986 type amnesty, all amnesty no effective future enforcement, before the November election, the Republicans would be likely to hand the Democrats tens of millions of eventual new foreign born Democrat voters in the years ahead who would cancel out enough conservative votes to ensure that the Republicans could never again have enough votes to win future presidential elections or hold many of the seats that they now hold in the Congress. In return the Republicans would be able to tell their big business supporters they they legalized a mass of what will be transitory cheap foreign labor with which they can keep wage rates as low as possible, that is until the Democrats unionize much of that foreign labor on into the future. Clearly that would amount to e Republicans committing long-term political suicide, but How is any of that going to help productive average Americans?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: RancherJack, 2/2/2014 11:46:11 AM     (No. 9715927)

"Fight fans, in the Left corner we have the GOP Establishment in the white silk trunks with pink stripe. In the Right Corner, is our Contender, the Republican rank and file in the red white and blue trunks eager to knock off the their opponent."

"The Referee for tonight´s bout is Mainstream Media and our Judges are the poll riggers See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and our replacement Judge Speak Only Evil."

"The scoring system for tonight´s heavy weight bout .. oh, who am I kidding? The results have already been telegraphed to Vegas and betting on the Contenders is the losing bet, but I´m sure we´ll see an entertaining show anyway as The Capitol Hill Matches are brought to us by Pelosi Suppositories, the most trust brand of silver bullets."

Ding, ding .. "And we´re off .."

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Gorzabozo, 2/2/2014 11:52:35 AM     (No. 9715937)

Finally the Times publishes an article on a topic they are knowledgeable - delusion.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mc squared, 2/2/2014 1:02:10 PM     (No. 9716010)

If we gain 15-20 million new Democrats why would I ever trouble myself to vote again? It would be like trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/2/2014 5:13:24 PM     (No. 9716285)

When you listen to some of those cheap labor Republicans who support amnesty you have to figure that they believe that most of the USA consists of very stupid people. One was on TV this morning saying that it would be great for the economy after a big amnesty as all the illegal aliens would get off food stamps, get good jobs, and pay a lot of taxes.

What a bunch of boloney, as after such an amnesty up to 20 million legalized aliens would become eligible for foods stamps for which they had no eligibility before the amnesty, all the illegal aliens who do manage to get much better jobs after being legalized means that they essentially displaced about the same number of US citizens from getting those good jobs, and in reality instead of paying a lot more taxes those legalized aliens, most of who would be poor, generally uneducated, low wage earners would become eligible for social welfare programs and all sorts of tax credits whereby they would be able to drain a lot more cash out of government coffers they they would ever have a legal liability to pay in.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Japanorama, 2/2/2014 5:18:01 PM     (No. 9716291)

Immigration deal --> End of GOP

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