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Now we’re all dopes
Boston Herald, by Howie Carr

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/26/2014 5:28:55 AM

Marijuana makes you stupid. Nobody wants to acknowledge the obvious fact, but that’s what this whole legalization debate is all about. That’s why most of the candidates for governor, of both parties, have come out against legalization, even if they have to obfuscate why they’re opposed to the Colorado-ization of Massachusetts. After all, the pols can’t offend that pivotal ganja-American voting bloc, assuming they can remember to vote in November. It’s left to comedians like Jay Leno Thursday night to poke around the truth: “Doctors warn that pot smoking impairs young people’s thinking, which of course makes them much more likely to sign up


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Zarin, 1/26/2014 5:58:33 AM     (No. 9705956)

Good read- funny if it were not true.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/26/2014 6:50:50 AM     (No. 9705980)

Cuomo´s ratings were heading down, down, down until he announced legalization of marijuana, then his approval ratings skyrocketed. Demonrats are losers.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Tomas, 1/26/2014 6:56:06 AM     (No. 9705983)

As a conservative, I support legalization of pot from the standpoint of one who was thrown through the criminal justice system for simple possession. What we´re doing is taking people who treat pot like most people treat beer - a recreational pursuit that endangers no one, except in extreme circumstances - and turning them into the criminal class. Police record, priors, stigma, fear, what have you.

If we can decriminalize it, turn it into a crime on par with a parking ticket, then, OK, maybe leave it on the books. But, until we figure out how to do that, let´s stop wrecking people´s lives because they have a dime bag in their car.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/26/2014 6:58:57 AM     (No. 9705985)

#3, why does anyone need a dime bag in their car? Marijuana usage turns kids into zombies and any adult partaking is already an idiot.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: doodah, 1/26/2014 7:13:43 AM     (No. 9705996)

Howie is right! From first hand knowledge, I have seen a bright young man who had ambitions to be a doctor turn into a party animal, who fanatically preaches how great he is and that he is going to invent a way for all of us to get along and succeed and everyone will be equal, and happy, and it will be a much better world! He hates his world, the capitalistic overreach of the successful and he will change all of that by his invention. It is stunning and so deeply devastating because that habitual pot smoker is in my family. We are all regular people, church goers also, and he has illusions of grandeur plus a touch of the New Age thinking. He is in my prayers daily. If pot is legalized, please maintain some laws to prohibit widespread consumption for the young, something to slow down the "doping of America´s young" until they can learn more about the stuff

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bmw50, 1/26/2014 7:31:45 AM     (No. 9706005)

Democrats are satanic. Yes, I said it and it´s true.

Democrats insure their election and re-election by enslaving the public to their won personal sin; whether it be drugs/marijuana, perverted sex, irresponsible sex, money without work...

Once people are enslaved to their sin, the Democrats promise to keep them supplied... as the nation implodes.

How do you defeat them? Teach people to be responsible and that ain´t happening here. Conservatism will never get off the ground with that kind of message.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/26/2014 7:32:18 AM     (No. 9706008)

A dime bag in the car, as in driving under the influence? I did that once about 35 years ago when pot wasn´t nearly as strong as it it today. My inability to function in the drivers seat scared me so badly that I never did it again. Fortunately I managed not to get into an accident. How, exactly, are LEO´s going to test for driving while stoned? How long before someone starts the first chapter of Mothers Against Stoned Drivers?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/26/2014 7:33:48 AM     (No. 9706011)

The government is willing to legalize anything that will make control of the population easier for them. We live in a society where people believe they are entitled to whatever their hearts desire. Sure, go ahead and partake of any substance you want but don´t expect the rest of us to pay for whatever consequences that arise out of your choice. If you choose to lose yourself to drug use instead of cultivating a good work ethic and becoming a productive member of society, don´t look to taxpayers to support you. You must be responsible for your choices in life, all of them.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 1/26/2014 7:36:02 AM     (No. 9706014)

I can support medical marijuana but not for recreational use. We don´t need one more legal high.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jinx, 1/26/2014 7:49:45 AM     (No. 9706032)

Not to mention the schools. It is hard enough teaching students who aren´t smoking weed before school! Scores are already down. What about the teachers smoking weed before school. Our schools are going to be worse than ever!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 1/26/2014 7:59:00 AM     (No. 9706043)

Anecdotal, to be sure, but my cousin was a bright kid who took up MJ use as a 15 year old and ended up a high school and Marine Corps dropout, dumber than a bag of dirt. He is now deceased (due to his inability to think straight enough to get out of the way of traffic). Yeah, that marijuana is harmless stuff alright.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Me_Opinionated_Nah, 1/26/2014 8:03:23 AM     (No. 9706050)

Now we’re all dopes, according to Howie Carr, but only one of us has allegedly earned the right to be Dope-in-Chief and that would be none other than you-know-who, Mr. Mind-Altered-Fundamentally-Transforming-Controlled-Substance-Himself. Leader of the Free World? I think not! Leader-Wannabe of the Imprisoned World is more like it.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Mazeman, 1/26/2014 8:08:14 AM     (No. 9706053)

"Reefer Madness" redux.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: flybynight, 1/26/2014 8:23:27 AM     (No. 9706067)

We, too, have a bright young doper in our extended family, currently in Juvie, again. Would he and his loser-stoner buddies have spent their time behind Uncle Ned´s barn smoking unfiltered cigarettes and drinking pilfered booze in the good old days, or would he be setting the curve at his high school? This exceptional, once-charming, now sullen and detached boy might have amounted to something, but his brain seems wrecked now. Terrible waste, but at least, if MJ were legal, we-the-people might not be paying for his three hots and a cot, and earnest, but futile attempts at gittin his mind right.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: harleynyc, 1/26/2014 8:24:47 AM     (No. 9706069)

I know a working couple, 40ish, heavy pot users. They are unable to use a computer. They always leave their door open, and when they don´t they get locked out. And when they´re out, they leave all the lights and tvs on. They also don´t make much sense in a conversation. Luckily they don´t vote.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: 2dogs, 1/26/2014 8:27:34 AM     (No. 9706074)

Yesterday I read that Medicare will, in 2015, start controlling the selection of covered drugs for depression and psychosis and some autoimune conditions (the new ones are too expensive). Look for a lot of stoned old people. It may be all we have left.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Freeloader, 1/26/2014 8:29:07 AM     (No. 9706077)

FTA: "...is it a coincidence America´s best-known marijuana smoker thinks there are 57 states, that they speak Austrian in Austria and pronounces ´corps´ as ´corpse?"

Q: When and why did America´s 40th POTUS, Sir Ronaldus Magnus, institute a "Zero Tolerance" Drug Policy for our nation´s military services?

A: In May, 1981---Right after the horrendous
EA-6B Prowler flight deck crash aboard the USS Nimitz that killed 14, injured 45 and destroyed millions of dollars worth of aircraft and equipment.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/26/2014 8:48:55 AM     (No. 9706107)

It is a gateway drug. For some it loses its effect, and then is combined with alcohol, then on to more types of drugs.
It kills in the end. I lost my son to drugs and alcohol last year at 42. He started with pot. 26 years of rehabs and relapses..a slow painful death.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: philsner, 1/26/2014 9:10:27 AM     (No. 9706138)

#3, conservatives don´t adopt liberal talking points. That you did qualifies you as a seminar poster.

"I love your show, I always agree with you, and I voted for Bush."

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Reply 20 - Posted by: bnrmusa, 1/26/2014 9:16:04 AM     (No. 9706144)

I can accept the argument that pot is no worse the alcohol. That´s an admission that pot can wreck your live too.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: walcb, 1/26/2014 9:25:49 AM     (No. 9706153)

The main argument against smoking tobacco is that it causes cancer. Apparently smoking hemp does not.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 1/26/2014 9:54:20 AM     (No. 9706183)

Some things to consider regarding drug use. If the police come raiding, they will question EVERYONE, and not just the drug users. Have plastic sandwich bags or a weight scale in your house? That drug possession charge just got upgraded to drug possession with the intent to sell. You think those pot smokers will just limit themselves to pot? One dose of crack can go for as little as $15 or $20. Is it worth it? The drug legalization crowd will rationalize about it all the way to jail.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/26/2014 10:06:21 AM     (No. 9706200)

Case in point: The Boy King.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: strike3, 1/26/2014 10:10:13 AM     (No. 9706208)

Good comments #4, #6.

I too knew a fortyish couple who were regular users. He grew weed for sale on their small farm and she worked for the city government. Both were incurable liberals. They were inevitably busted and, after some jail time, neither can now get a job. While they were in jail, their beautiful 20-something daughter died of an overdose of something.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Bohallx, 1/26/2014 10:19:06 AM     (No. 9706222)

There are now dozens of substantial scientific studies being reported on the Internet about how marijuana can trigger schizophrenia or bipolar disorder in those who have the genes found to be involved in those disorders.

Many schizophrenics could live a good 15 to 20 symptom free years..... but for their use of marijuana in their teenage years.

Advocates FOR marijuana don´t care what it does to others.

I suspect some of them anticipate having a good cackle at some teenager´s expense ~ a lifelong expense BTW ~

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Pros7767, 1/26/2014 10:24:32 AM     (No. 9706230)

Pot is a dangerous drug. Withdrawal can last as long as seven days which is why many don´t stop.

Legalizing it is a very dangerous path to go down.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/26/2014 10:30:16 AM     (No. 9706242)

People need to learn the difference between a vice and a crime.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Arby, 1/26/2014 10:38:01 AM     (No. 9706251)

Think about when pot became popular. Think about our cultural life since then. Think about the nature of our ´entertainment´, the state of our universities, the occupant of the white house . . .

Yes, pot makes you stupid.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: str8divorcee, 1/26/2014 10:38:52 AM     (No. 9706252)

I know plenty of pot smokers, heavy drinkers and other drug users who are a lot more successful in life than teetotaling, clean and sober me. I can´t say that marijuana makes people unable to function.

I just can´t stand to be around people who are high. They are IRRITATING. Drunks are IRRITATING. And I´d rather none of them were driving.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/26/2014 10:57:15 AM     (No. 9706278)

ReRead Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963


Then visit JR Nyquist´s page today


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Reply 31 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/26/2014 11:09:54 AM     (No. 9706295)

For those writing about long time pot users and their health and mental issues...

Because pot is illegal, we know for sure that MANY of them consumed dozens and perhaps hundreds of "enhancers" to make non-pot and cheap pot "perform" better. We will NEVER know what the other chemicals were.

Legalization and quality control will fix that.

We know that high profits from government restrained supply will arm terrorists, arm and motivate murderous gangs, corrupt our police, judges, prison guards, border guards.

High profits negate the power of the laws forbidding the sale to minors. (Why risk prison for a 5% profit margin?)

The correlations with mental illness do not show that pot is a cause. Pot may RELIEVE symptoms of mental illness, making it attractive to the mentally ill.

There is no known lethal dose of pot. But an overdose of Big Brother, telling some fool that he doesn´t really own his own body, can lead to that fool´s body being turned over to some violent criminals for forcible sodomy.

And even small doses of Big Brother can get dozens of young blacks and Hispanics killed every week throughout America. It´s called gang violence.

The more powerful pot of modern times will help minimize the "hits" to get high, thus cutting lung damage.

This is the best of all times to stop the Drug War against those who are too poor to go hang-gliding, parachuting, street-luge racing, legal drag racing or any of dozens of risky things we as human beings have a right to do, if we can afford them!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 1/26/2014 11:13:51 AM     (No. 9706298)


Let´s accept the premise that marijuana "makes you stupid." Why would that lead anyone who believes in freedom to support pervasive government prohibition of its usage?

Think clearly, my friends. If you want freedom for yourself - - you must support freedom for everyone else - - including "stupid" people.

Once you let government take someone else´s freedom away - - how do you stop it from taking yours away?

The government has no right whatsoever to prohibit anyone from ingesting whatever he or she wants to. Anyone who supports government prohibition is a chump - - and also dangerous.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: NOBS, 1/26/2014 11:17:24 AM     (No. 9706303)

Just remember a week ago the article on American Thinker on marjunaa. with lots of responses--worth a look.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: faith_and_Reason, 1/26/2014 11:51:25 AM     (No. 9706346)

#4, Pluperfect, wrote:

"#3, why does anyone need a dime bag in their car?"

My response to you: Why does anyone need to go hang-gliding? Why should we allow hunting? (Someone could get hurt!) Why does anyone need a tattoo? A piercing?!

Why should we allow people to think the government doesn´t own them?!! /sarcasm off

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Reply 35 - Posted by: enuf8, 1/26/2014 11:54:48 AM     (No. 9706350)

How to support your habit.......robberies, burglaries have increased beyond belief. Most of the heavy pot/drug users cannot hold onto a job.
I do agree with the rational of those who are on welfare should be tested for drug/alcohol use.
Look to some of the results these days of getting toddlers high and just this week a report of a "teacher" taking MJ laced pot-luck to a function. Yes, the stuff is bad.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: faith_and_Reason, 1/26/2014 12:08:01 PM     (No. 9706368)

#35, enuf8, wrote:

"How to support your habit.......robberies, burglaries have increased beyond belief. Most of the heavy pot/drug users cannot hold onto a job."

Honestly. I´m usually impressed by the quality of analysis I find among the comments on Lucianne. Somehow, victimless crimes have some intoxicating, delusion-inducing power over some otherwise brilliant and sober minds.

Pan-handling is ENOUGH to support a pot habit, once it is legal!

Some just GROW their own. (Idea: Let´s legalize that, too!)

Robbery and burglary are dangerous, hard work. Something the stoners supposedly avoid!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: patpgmr, 1/26/2014 12:13:02 PM     (No. 9706379)

Marijuana Users Have Abnormal Brain Structure and Poor Memory

Drug abuse appears to foster brain changes that resemble schizophrenia


I understand the reason why people want marijuana legalized; it´s fun to get high. Do you really want your adolescent children and grandchildren to develop brain abnormalities because of the increasingly easy access to marijuana? Just asking. Once it is legal, what kid is going to be deterred at all from buying and using? Fear of the criminal justice system is just about all that is at the moment.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Vaquero45, 1/26/2014 12:15:28 PM     (No. 9706382)

Okay, folks....lighten up. A little perspective is in order.

Here in Colorado, the only thing that´s happening is that the tax base increased. People who want to get jobs know that they´ll still be tested for drugs. People also know that if they drive stoned, they´ll get arrested. As with every other intoxicant, there are some people who just can´t handle it and will get themselves into trouble. They have no one to blame but themselves.

I used to be a cop for a while; then, I spent 30 years handling insurance claims, and a lot of those claims involved people who were drunk or stoned. That´s life. I voted to legalize the stuff because I´m tired of the destruction of our civil liberties, and the trashing of the Fourth Amendment, through our ridiculous drug laws. In five years or so, you´ll see that all the nightmare scenarios envisioned by the alarmists will not have occurred.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: fishbone, 1/26/2014 12:19:15 PM     (No. 9706389)

When did all these leftist totalitarians start posting on Lucianne? Oops. It´s just those right wingers who believe in smaller government until they want that government to stop some activity they don´t agree with.

I´ve never found a mention of regulating drugs in the Constitution. I´ve never thought that the government had the authority to restrict drug usage. They tried with prohibition and that funded the gangsters and made a lot of people instant criminals. Similarly, drugs, cartels, and users.

BTW, where´s the "tolerance" for differing opinions? Not everyone who has a disagreeable opinion is a "seminar" poster.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 4justice, 1/26/2014 12:36:11 PM     (No. 9706408)

Of course its bad for you and kills your brain cells....so do a lot of things, but decriminalizing it will not create more addicts. Stigma doesn´t work so good anymore. Education is the key.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/26/2014 12:44:31 PM     (No. 9706416)

I used to think that this was a site for enlightened thinking. Maybe its just that the majority of like-minded thinkers on this issue (legalize drugs) are being polite and not wanting to go against the grain with the posters here. I hope so. You posters (the majority of the previous posters here) obviously want big gov´t - but just for your pet issues. And you want to force it on others.

You are as scary as libs - and you are in fact, libs. Go snuggle up to any dem, because that´s where it sounds like you belong. If you give them enough power and money, you can buy their vote on this issue.

As health care gets rationed - and it is no matter what happens from here on out, the larger picture of legalized drugs is going to be huge. Try to get in front of this issue and leave your reefer madness ideas behind you. It may be your loved ones that need those drugs that are considered illegal and rationed.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/26/2014 12:51:38 PM     (No. 9706426)

No, there isn´t a word about drugs in the Constitution, but, there IS something in there about "promote the general welfare". Now, if you are involved is something that does harm to the general pubic, then I would say that the government has a say in that particular action. That´s the argument that was made to stop smoking cigarettes. And controlling liquor. And any number of activities. Freedom doesn´t necessarily mean an individual go out and do anything he/she thinks is a great thing to do. You can´t rob a bank because it´s where the money is. Understanding that it´s someone else´s money is necessary. How would you feel if you surgeon toked up just before your critical operation? Or you airplane pilot toked up just before taking the controls? After all, it´s their personal freedom. And yes, I have personally seen the effects of pot on my own son. Thank the GOOD LORD that he is drug free now, but he lost 20yrs of his younger life. I will argue against pot for the rest of life. I know what it does to people!

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Reply 43 - Posted by: philsner, 1/26/2014 1:01:21 PM     (No. 9706435)

So, advocating legalization of weed is "enlightened thinking" but being against it isn´t?

Oh okay - in order to be "enlightened", one must agree with you.

Sounds like a leftist to me.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/26/2014 1:08:46 PM     (No. 9706445)

#38, more BS.

Out here in California, the big debate for "medical marijuana", which is a flat out lie in and of itself, was that we would see less crime, less access to pot for kids, and a big tax windfall.

Result? MORE crime, particularly around these dispensaries, NO tax windfall, and MORE kids able to get pot with phony scrips written by quack doctors.

Proof point? My son in high school watched as a group would pile into a car during break, shoot over to the dispensary a few miles away, and come back with their pot. Nice and easy, and they were all 17.

#39, and the rest of you pro-druggies, using your logic, why not make ALL drugs legal? EVERY one.

Why should we discriminate about cocaine? That is unfair. There are cocaine users I am SURE that could come forward and say, hey, I am not addicted! Why is the government coming down on me!

LSD, which can be transferred through the skin? Why not? Legalize it.

But I bet all of you would be crying for the government to DO something if it were you kid in the emergency room, having seizures, and the staff can´t figure out what drug she is on.

Because then it would be YOU, and that would be so unfair, right?

So right there, criminality. That was ONE case one ONE day, at ONE location.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/26/2014 1:20:10 PM     (No. 9706461)

#27 "People need to learn the difference between a vice and a crime."

Ok, so let´s use your logic. All vices should not be considered a crime.

Are you OK with--a gambling den setup next to your house, with prostitutes hanging around outside.? The apartment next to yours having pot blowing in your windows where your child is sleeping. People shooting up on your stairs outside your building.

Not saying any of this will happen--but just want to see a windbag like you who wants to electively choose which vice is ok and which is not, agree that you are perfectly fine with all the above.

You either are, or you´re a hypocrite.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: faith_and_Reason, 1/26/2014 1:29:07 PM     (No. 9706469)

#44, tomanderson61, wrote:

"...why not make ALL drugs legal? EVERY one."

Let me be the first to say, "ABSOLUTELY!!"

Every adult who is not in prison or a mental institution should be respected as the owner of his OWN body.

ANY substance, lethal or not, debilitating or not, is his RIGHT to ingest, if he can afford it or can grow it or manufacture it.

If he then harms ANOTHER person, prosecute him to the full extent of the law!!!

My bed-ridden, crippled mother overdosed on legal drugs, purposely killing herself, because YOUR heroes bullied the doctors into NOT allowing her the opiates that would have allowed her to live and function without daily, excruciating pain.

No, I reject the "government owns us" ideology. And I will never apologize for my hatred of that anti-freedom mindset!

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Reply 47 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/26/2014 1:32:51 PM     (No. 9706473)

Here comes the hyperbole, anecdotals, scare tactics and falsehoods. Reefer Madness - we are here:

• Marijuana usage turns kids into zombies
• It is a gateway drug. For some it loses its effect, and then is combined with alcohol, then on to more types of drugs. It kills in the end.
• You think those pot smokers will just limit themselves to pot
• marijuana can trigger schizophrenia or bipolar disorder in those who have the genes
• Many schizophrenics could live a good 15 to 20 symptom free years..... but for their use of marijuana in their teenage years
• Advocates FOR marijuana don´t care what it does to others.
• Withdrawal can last as long as seven days which is why many don´t stop.
• Most of the heavy pot/drug users cannot hold onto a job
• Marijuana Users Have Abnormal Brain Structure and Poor Memory
• Drug abuse appears to foster brain changes that resemble schizophrenia
• adolescent children and grandchildren to develop brain abnormalities because of the increasingly easy access to marijuana
• Once it is legal, what kid is going to be deterred at all from buying and using

For those citing studies, look at the comments right below those articles dispelling the studies. For people who have a loved one who has died directly or indirectly from drugs, you have nothing but my sympathy and best wishes to help cope with that tragedy. But it seems that happened when the drugs were illegal. Maybe or maybe not it would have been different if the interdiction dollars went to education instead. And I am never advocating drug availability to children for anything other than medical reasons.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: philsner, 1/26/2014 2:20:20 PM     (No. 9706529)

That all posters aren´t seminar posters doesn´t mean none of them are, but when you preface a liberal leaning opinion by saying you are a conservative it qualifies you.
And I disagree that being against legalization means you are pro big government. That is such a liberal canard. It´s like saying that if you appreciate firemen you have to embrace socialism.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: mabel normand, 1/26/2014 2:26:12 PM     (No. 9706539)

I raised a child publicly educated in Oakland, CA. He´s 21, drug-free and a moderate drinker. I´m also nobody´s grandma and I´ve never seen the inside of a police station. He could move out, though. If your kid ends up hooked on dope, maybe the answer lies in your mirror.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 1/26/2014 2:48:43 PM     (No. 9706573)

Most drugs are still prescription only. Their distribution and usage is controlled because they can be misused and cause great harm.
I wonder how long before a multitude of drugs are readily available because people simply want them, and the government can make a nice, tidy profit on their sale.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: ketchuplover, 1/26/2014 3:53:49 PM     (No. 9706634)

I only know three people who smoke pot regulary - for 20 years or more. All are relatives. There´s the nephew who is now struggling with heroin addiction and continuously lies about make-believe jobs he supposedly has. He lives in a group home and is in his 30s. There´s another nephew, about the same age, who never graduated from high school and still has no interest in getting a diploma. He goes from job to job, begging people for a car, spiritually searching for the meaning of life - in any source but the Christianity in which he was raised. Then there´s my 50 y.o. sister who sits in her subsidized govt. apt, collecting disability checks from the govt because of supposed anxiety (which none of her family has ever witnessed) got free govt drugs (and then sold them to customers coming to her door), and has no interest in doing any kind of work. (All three love Obama and his handouts). It seems to me that a great deal of legalization advocates are trying to soothe their consciences over their own past use. After all, how can they tell their kids no drugs, when they themselves used drugs at that age? Go ahead and be a purist and say no govt intervention in personal lives. Then when you legalize all drugs, attach a prohibition of govt to treat or care for those who are hospitalized or injured as a result of drug use. Why should law-abiding citizens pay for the "vices" of others? Ahh, yes....legalization of drugs, acceptance of gay lifestyle as normal, no-fault divorce, unmarried pregnancies, the narcotics of more unemployment checks --- the destruction of the family is almost complete.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: Stegosaurus, 1/26/2014 4:51:32 PM     (No. 9706668)

Look, Posters, get serious. Smoking marijuana is a stupid thing to do. You don´t have to go any further than that. OK, so some of you smoked marijuana as a 20s something. 20s somethings do stupid things, we all know that - but are you such a fool as to try to pass it off as an OK thing?

Why do people smoke marijuana? The only reason is to get high. But suppose someone said to you: "The reason I drink is to get drunk as a skunk," What would you think of them? Why would you not thin that of marijuana smokers?

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Reply 53 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 1/26/2014 5:13:16 PM     (No. 9706684)

I live in the middle of the Emerald Triangle of northern California. Just about everybody here smokes and/or grows pot. Since the commie-enviros killed the timber industry marijuana is the only economic activity in this county. We have had legal “medical” marijuana for many years. At first the dispensaries caused lots of problems, but individual cities and towns passed laws to curb the egregious public use, and cracked down on quack doctors giving “215 cards” to minors. We have a strong conservative Sheriff who works with the responsible growers to ensure compliance with the plant number restrictions, and protect them from violent poachers. The Sheriff can now focus on the rogue cartel growers in the National Forest who dump pesticides and fertilizers into our creeks and streams. They also poach water from those creeks that impact ranchers downstream. All in all, after the first year, things have gotten better in this county.

All intoxicants effect individuals differently. Some are disposed to be addicts to something that will control their lives, while others can function in life with the same substance and do just fine. I know more successful people who smoke pot than the lazy stereotype hippie-stoner loser. Private use is their business. Public use can be regulated just like with alcohol, as I have seen done in the towns of this county. In regards to the argument about wanting your doctor or your pilot toking up before work, they would face the same consequences if they had a drink of scotch beforehand. Pot smells. A lot. It’s not so easy to cover up if you show up for work stoned.

I side with legalization, and control those who cannot control their public behavior in the same manner as alcohol abusers.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/26/2014 7:08:17 PM     (No. 9706779)

I want to know if now that Coloretardo and other States are legalizing it if some genius ambulance chaser lawyer and his doper client are going to figure out they can sue the State for drug induced damages, loss of job, etc., since, after all, the State said it was, "OK."

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 1/26/2014 7:46:01 PM     (No. 9706807)

It´s frightening - - to see otherwise decent people who are otherwise believers in freedom become big-government fascists simply because they don´t personally approve of people who take narcotic drugs.

They invoke all kinds of horror scenarios without any sense of irony - - because all of those horror scenarios are occurring RIGHT NOW under Prohibition!

Nothing is more dangerous that the I-want-to-be-free-but-I-don´t-want-him-to-be-free mentality. Wake up, all you Prohibitionists - - it´s your own freedom which you´re surrendering to the leftist fascists. That wouldn´t be so bad in itself - - but at the same time you´re also surrendering everyone else´s freedom - - including mine. And that´s what I deeply resent.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: jacooley, 1/26/2014 8:01:45 PM     (No. 9706817)

I come down with Bill Buckley on this one. First, I see it as a 10th Amendment issue where there is no role for the feds. Next, I see billions of dollars going to criminal gangs and the criminal justice system. I see dead people shot up in gang wars to control an illegal trade and the corruption of whole countries. Al Capone must be looking down (or looking up)and smiling at how history repeats itself. Then I see the erosion of civil liberties from the "War on Drugs". How many more doors do we need kicked in? How many more homeowners must get shot to death when it turns out to be the wrong doors?

Now, many of the problems people are pointing out are ones associated with a welfare state. We need to rethink the foolish idea that being a drug addict or drunk entitles you to all sorts of government benefits. If Joe Pothead has to stay employed to eat, then Joe Pothead learns to moderate their vices just like Joe Six Pack.

I am perfectly fine with employers having "no stoner" rules in hiring. Drug testing for public benefits is a wonderful idea to me. If you are getting money from me, then please be sober.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: philsner, 1/26/2014 8:56:50 PM     (No. 9706843)

#55, saying that an opinion that differs from yours is "frightening" is the province of leftists, and comparing marijuana to alcohol constitutes false equivalence
In addition, it is dishonest to claim dissent is "indecent" or that those who hold a different opinion on pot are "big government fascists". Please.
That just isn´t true, except at places like dailykos or MSNBC.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/26/2014 9:24:37 PM     (No. 9706855)

I think what is "frightening" is that is supposed to be a relatively conservative site. I am both surprised and saddened to read all the anti-constitutional, anti-personal freedom and responsibility, and pro-Prohibition posts here.

"I don´t like marijuana. I don´t like hippies. Drugs are bad. Therefore we should put them all in jail"

Sorry, I don´t buy it.

I do like the reference to the 10th amendment. Constitutionally, the several states have the police power to regulate drugs; the federal government does not.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/26/2014 9:25:36 PM     (No. 9706856)

#57, thank you. Note that when I make several points, these pro-pot fanatics can do nothing but call us big government.

I love logic. Logic cleans and clarifies. So let´s use the logic again, like the freakshow above that thinks we should legalize ALL drugs.

Ok, I´m game. Let´s do away with all speed limits. Let everyone drive any way they want, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law SHOULD they kill or hurt someone. After all, speed limits are "big government".

There are many, many laws that regulate behavior. Why not get rid of every one. A good child safety seat is not mentioned in the Constitution, so seat requirements, throw those away. I should be able to hang my kid out the window when I drive. Aren´t laws against refusing mortgages to people of color or women encroaching on the personal freedoms of the mortgage company owners? Get rid of those laws as well.

These same people would be screaming for government help should they be in a flood, or their kid comes in contact with some strain of some kind of illicit drug and the ER cannot help him. Then suddenly, because it´s about them, they´d be crying foul.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: faith_and_Reason, 1/26/2014 9:39:51 PM     (No. 9706862)

#57, philsner, wrote:

"...saying that an opinion that differs from yours is "frightening" is the province of leftists...
In addition, it is dishonest to claim dissent is "indecent" or that those who hold a different opinion on pot are "big government fascists". Please."

Actually, some beliefs ARE "frightening," fail to be "decent" and display the intentions of "big government fascists." Not because they are dissent or are a contrary opinion to some random critic, but because of their frightening, dangerous fascist aim.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/26/2014 11:30:28 PM     (No. 9706906)

#59 - you are the embodiment of big gov´t and you do not even realize it. IMO, This is not what a conservative should espouse as gov´t´s role. This is what we routinely criticize demtards for. You pick what gov´t´s role should be - the sames as dems do. You´re only difference is what you want gov´t to come down on. People need to understand what liberty was meant to be - it was not meant to be "what I think" but not "what you think". You have become too emotionally attached to this issue - another trait of the dems. I am not criticizing - I just hope that people learn to differentiate.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/26/2014 11:31:59 PM     (No. 9706907)

None of us are "pro pot fanatics". We are liberty fanatics, thank you very much.

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Reply 63 - Posted by: snakeoil, 1/27/2014 12:37:32 AM     (No. 9706927)

I´ve never used pot, coke, or any of that illegal stuff because it´s illegal. If only one person in a thousand gets caught I´d be the one. And whatever thrill I might get certainly isn´t worth going to the clink and having my career destroyed. Also how do you know what you´re getting when you use illegal drugs? When you buy whiskey from a liquor store it may be bad for you but at least you know what you´re getting. Even if it becomes legal I´ll pass. My big thrill is waking up in the morning and drinking coffee. The thing I hate about the debate about drugs is like abortion is being used as a wedge issue to split the anti lib vote. I´ll save all my nastiness for the libs.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: cat2, 1/27/2014 4:37:10 AM     (No. 9706981)

For all the pro-legalization posters, I hope that when some stoned driver crashes his or her car into yours you will remember all the rationalizations for pot that you have posted here. Or maybe you will be stoned yourself, and think it´s just another day in la-la land.

There is a difference between conservatives and libertarians and the difference is very evident in this thread.

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Reply 65 - Posted by: Deagin, 1/27/2014 6:18:27 AM     (No. 9707008)

Pot should only be used as medicine in very small doses. I suffer from PTSD and pot helps me calm down and sleep. It is better than any other medicine prescribed for PTSD. It should not be used at parties or when driving.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: philsner, 1/27/2014 7:16:21 AM     (No. 9707061)

#60, but not this one. Hysterical rhetoric and guilt trips do not make the case for legalization.
And the "big government fascism" argument won´t fly either. All one has to do is apply and extend that flawed logic to see it fail.
For example; if you advocate the minimum wage why not make it $100/hr.?
If you advocate legalizing marijuana and believe doing so is anti big government and pro freedom, why not legalize heroin and methamphetamine too? You should be able to make that choice without government meddling, right?

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Reply 67 - Posted by: faith_and_Reason, 1/27/2014 8:44:14 AM     (No. 9707168)

#66, there are conservatives who advocate ending the minimum wage. I´m one. I also advocate that any non-incarcerated adult be permitted to ingest ANY substance he chooses and can get his hands on without violating anyone else´s God-given rights.

I favor strong defense. I oppose isolationism and pacifism. I am a conservative, a very libertarian-leaning conservative, like others here.

#64, writes: "There is a difference between conservatives and libertarians and the difference is very evident in this thread."

Neither conservatism nor libertarianism is that narrowly defined. My views are in accord with the Founding Fathers. I am, proudly, a Jeffersonian liberal, as many here are. Whether we call ourselves libertarian, conservative, or both, we favor Jefferson and reject Mussolini and Stalin.

Fascism violates the Jeffersonian ideal.

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American Thinker, by Rick Moran    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 1:36:54 PM     Post Reply
The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million

Climate change is damaging fish brains and
causing them to lose their survival instinct,
researchers warn

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Mark Prigg    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:32:21 PM     Post Reply
Fish are losing their survival instinct as the world´s oceans become more acidic because of climate change, researchers have claimed. The study confirms laboratory experiments showing that the behavior of reef fishes can be seriously affected by increased carbon dioxide concentrations in the ocean. Carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere is absorbed into ocean waters, where it dissolves and lowers the pH of the water. The new study is the first to analyze the sensory impairment of fish from CO2 seeps, where pH is similar to what climate models forecast for surface waters by the turn of the century. ´These results verify our laboratory

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