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Obama’s Belated Defense of the NSA
National Review, by Andrew C. McCarthy

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Posted By:Flyright, 1/19/2014 7:01:51 AM

It is very hard to take President Obama seriously. At Friday’s big surveillance speech, after five years of Big Government–orchestrated Constitution shredding, he looked the American people in the eye and explained that, as monitoring technology has evolved over the centuries, our nation has always “benefitted from both our Constitution and traditions of limited government.” While your head was still spinning, another whopper: After five years of whimsically “waiving,” ignoring, and unilaterally rewriting congressional statutes, he bleated that “our system of government is built on the premise that our liberty cannot depend on the good intentions of those in power;


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lazyman, 1/19/2014 7:29:54 AM     (No. 9697603)

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rubygram, 1/19/2014 7:33:41 AM     (No. 9697605)

Only by the lo fo lemmings, only by the stupids.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 1/19/2014 7:34:30 AM     (No. 9697606)

While it´s easy to bow to McCarthy´s expertise on such matters, this POTUS has so degraded our trust in what he says that it´s impossible to believe he won´t misuse the meta-data that is so necessary to our national defense.

The NSA’s record gathering is not Obamacare, Benghazi, or the IRS scandal, webs of administration deceit and stonewalling. It is a rigorously examined Bush-era counterterrorism effort.

The problems are the following: Who is "examining" this counterterrorism effort? And, can the information be used to do what the IRS is doing to us? Because if this meta-data can be abused by this administration, it will be.

After all, the IRS is supposed to be all about taxes and the collecting thereof, but look how it is being abused -- to stifle conservative voting by refusing to grant 401C4 status to republican/conservative fund-raising groups.

Look at ObamaCare: It´s supposed to provide low-cost health care of high quality to those who want it. Instead, the information is being used to mandate that I pay for Sandra Fluke´s birth control pills and her abortions.

Much as I want to agree with McCarthy, and much as I realize how necessary the NSA meta-data collecting is, I simply don´t trust O not to find a way to abuse it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/19/2014 7:56:27 AM     (No. 9697625)

A big clue into what the Obama crew is really doing here will come at the end of Obama´s term in office when he hands out his pardons. Will he pardon Snowden or leave him out in the cold?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Starlady, 1/19/2014 8:09:20 AM     (No. 9697635)

Unfortunately we have been lied to by so many people regarding the NSA: General Alexander in Congressional testimony, the head if intelligence before Congress, and Obama whenever he opens his mouth, I no longer believe anyone on this matter.
Andrew knows how the program was intended to be implemented, but he doesn´t have real knowledge of how it is working under this administration. I would say Edward Snowden has more real knowledge about the current situation.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ChipThome, 1/19/2014 8:21:15 AM     (No. 9697646)

If when the Patriot Act was being debated, had the American people been told that EVERY call they will EVER make is going to be logged and recorded, the Patriot Act would have never passed. The government KNEW the chit storm that would erupt if the people ever found out when the Patriot Act was being discussed. So we were told a line of BS back then, and now the TRUTH is in the open.

The GOVERNMENT put our national security at risk when THEY decided to SPY ON ALL AMERICANS within the context of "looking for terrorists". If all that was in the files Edward Snowden released was national security secrets and only calls to and from terrorists, then yes, he would be to blame for a treasonous act of espionage.

What makes Edward Snowden a HERO was not releasing anything related to terrorists, but all the information about spying on Grandma and Grandpa !!! The GOVERNMENT CHOSE to intertwine it all together. Obviously the GOVERNMENT never thought we´d ever learn differently.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 1/19/2014 8:47:14 AM     (No. 9697670)

That speech is a clear indication of how stupid the speech writer believes the voters to be. Just say it, and that will be all they remember. Just say it, and they will quote it to their peers. Just say it, and we will put it in a campaign ad.

It reminds me of the man who breaks his wife´s nose and then says, "Honey I love you, you know I love you. I will never hurt you again." Yeah, he thinks his audience is that woman.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: TrustButVerify, 1/19/2014 8:55:15 AM     (No. 9697679)

Unfortunately, not just by the lo-fos but by all the liberal lefties that I know that are educated and pretty intelligent about other things but cling to this sick ideology like their lives depend on it. They refuse to listen to facts -- it´s astounding and does not bode well for this country.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/19/2014 9:02:22 AM     (No. 9697688)

This is about much more than metadata.! There is clear indication that Obama looks mostly on citizens as enemies.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: kahunavol, 1/19/2014 9:06:04 AM     (No. 9697693)

Legislation and activities that depend solely on the right person being in charge should never happen.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 1/19/2014 9:07:56 AM     (No. 9697694)

Of course we should trust the NSA and the CIA too, along with the FBI. These are great American institutions. Along with Congress and all the agencies that protect us and serve the interest of American citizens. We trust the IRS so much we give them more information on ourselves than we do our doctors or the credit bureau. And the IRS would never illegally audit Americans. And the Justice Dept is just infallible in protecting our interests. The Border Control should stop complaining about our great Attorney General who is absolutely unbiased toward anyone. I mean Fast and Furious was just another great American program, that was able to assist the US Gov to work with the Sinola drug cartel.
So lighten up American citizens and trust your great United States of America Government. As Lindsay Graham would say to you Shut Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bpl40, 1/19/2014 9:15:47 AM     (No. 9697704)

The time "not to take 0bama seriously" was when going to the polls in Nov 2008. Now, the horse is stolen.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Freeloader, 1/19/2014 9:51:21 AM     (No. 9697735)

FTA: "While your head was still spinning, another whopper..."

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
Adolf Schicklgruber

"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."
British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain
Heston Aerodrome-London
September 30, 1938

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Reply 14 - Posted by: toddh, 1/19/2014 10:25:25 AM     (No. 9697761)

#6 - Every system that charges by call length, be it long distance or cellular, will record this data for billing purposes.

It´s funny-sad that so many people who communicate by radio are worried about privacy. Idiots.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/19/2014 10:48:58 AM     (No. 9697782)

What you´re all missing ...

A ´blown cover´ is the best cover ..

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Reply 16 - Posted by: unagator, 1/19/2014 11:41:57 AM     (No. 9697845)

"Snowden revealed nothing that hadn’t been well known and hotly debated for seven years."

Funny, I don´t remember hearing about this debate. Maybe Andy and his fellow police staters should have been more open about this "debate" they were having.

I love the bit about just collecting numbers and not names. How long do you think it would take to tie the two together? Whitepages reverse lookup? Google? Please Andy, stop insulting us.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 1/19/2014 11:50:45 AM     (No. 9697856)

Wow! My hero fell flat on this one. This is government bull. The system he described is designed to collect information on enemies - not terrorists - see Boston Marathon bomber, et. al.
As we have learned through other government agencies IRS etc. "enemies" has a very fluid definition.
The lie is that they don´t collect information just numbers. Ah yes, but the numbers lead to a wealth of personal information. This is like saying we must all strip and allow molesting in order to be safe.
No, big government keeping dada on each of us - no matter who is storing it for them - is not freedom. And it doesn´t work to keep us safe.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/19/2014 11:59:14 AM     (No. 9697865)

Allow me to clarify for you the essential danger of otherwise anonymized metadata. While it´s true that your name isn´t popping up on report after report, and nobody is sitting and listening to all your phone calls 24x7, the fact is that once a "target source" is selected (say a leader of a suspected Al Qaeda cell in the US...or a leader of a Tea Party group...or, say a Supreme Court Chief Justice), they can build an incredibly complete dossier on not only that individual but also the "association tree" of that individual.

And there is the danger. While this capability has legitimate FOREIGN intelligence uses, it also, if and when used on DOMESTIC "enemies," is extremely dangerous to our liberties and to our political processes. Such power to destroy one´s political enemies is too tempting to use. And the mere fact it exists, now known to everyone, could by itself change how certain public figures act on difficult issues (***cough...Chief Justice Roberts...cough***).

In summary, metadata, ultimately, is NOT anonymous. Permanent possession and indiscriminate browsing of it must be restricted.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lencu255, 1/19/2014 12:29:38 PM     (No. 9697884)

But, #2, the lemmings and ants and sheeple are the majority of the population. And conservatives need our own counter propaganda to explain to the lo info people how it all will end up: like in Russia, China, Cuba, etc. where there will be powerful rich elites eating kobe beef and arugula AND 90+% of the population eating $*it and going to the "free" clinics.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: bluefindad, 1/19/2014 1:09:11 PM     (No. 9697937)

well said, #17 and #18!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 1/19/2014 1:30:41 PM     (No. 9697954)

I suggest that the estimable Andrew McCarthy is wrong on this issue. While 300+ million are concerned about their privacy in this Mass Surveillance State, there is no evidence that it has disrupted terrorist attacks.

However, there is ample evidence that many terrorist attacks have gone undetected. For example, shoe bomber, underwear bomber, Fort Hood, Boston marathon.

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is Liberty.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

Most of us would agree: "There is tyranny."

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Reply 22 - Posted by: sherlock1, 1/19/2014 8:05:06 PM     (No. 9698168)

At this rate, by the time Obama leaves office he will be utterly reviled, and the MSM will be tied to him inseparably.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/19/2014 9:47:21 PM     (No. 9698223)

As with all government entities created after the Constitution was signed and went into effect, always go back to their original charter!

The NSA was never supposed to spy on American citizens within our borders! If you travelled overseas, then that was a different matter. Your call could, and often did get picked up. They couldn´t differentiate a citizen from non-citizen in such case.

The rules for the NSA have morphed as much as they have for the Department of Agriculture, which went from telling (paying) farmers what to grow and when, to managing the Food Stamp Program (banking).

The NSA rules have changed as much as the EPA, established to define clean air and water standards, yet now makes mega loans to soon defunct Solar and Wind energy businesses (banking).

The NSA rules have been changed as much as the Department of Education, which went from (who knows what it ever did?), to being the biggest source of College Student Loans in America (banking).

One can only imagine that the next purpose of the NSA will be to sell e-mail addresses and phone numbers to retailers making it the largest source of customer information in the world, dwarfing even Google.

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WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

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