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Climate Change Disbelief Rises in America
NBC News, by Stephanie Pappas

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 1/17/2014 6:31:40 AM

The latest survey, taken in November 2013, finds that the majority of Americans — 63 percent — do believe in climate change, and 53 percent are "somewhat" or "very" worried about the consequences. The proportion of people who do believe in climate change has been steady since April 2013, but the proportion of those who say they "don´t know" whether climate change is happening dropped 6 percentage points between April and November 2013, suggesting that many "don´t knows" moved into the "not happening" category. "People who prior said don’t know are increasingly saying they don´t believe it," said Anthony Leiserowitz, the director

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lilo, 1/17/2014 6:42:27 AM     (No. 9695211)

I believe in climate change, I just don´t believe it is caused by man. The sun has much more to do with it. If and when the scientists can explain to me why the climate alternates between ice ages and interglacial warming, I might be a little more impressed.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Safari Man, 1/17/2014 7:04:53 AM     (No. 9695226)

Charles Darwin talked about climate change in his treatise on the Origin of Species. Was the Beagle diesel powered?


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Reply 3 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 1/17/2014 8:00:58 AM     (No. 9695305)

Worrisome times in the Kingdom...

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Catherine, 1/17/2014 8:09:12 AM     (No. 9695309)

I never understood how anyone could believe in the global warming/climate change to begin with.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: web, 1/17/2014 8:14:48 AM     (No. 9695322)

I certainly believe in Climate Change. It´s getting colder and we are heading for an Ice Age. We need all the cheap energy we can get.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 1/17/2014 8:18:14 AM     (No. 9695325)

About the same percentage of people who don´t believe in healthcare change. So what? We´re going to suffer from the ´effects´ of both, anyway.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 1/17/2014 8:49:27 AM     (No. 9695370)

The LoFos are slowly catching up with reality.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 1/17/2014 9:10:55 AM     (No. 9695415)

This is disappointing. I had thought that far more Americans viewed this GW stuff as groupthink-driven hysteria. No wonder Obama was reelected. I hope that their worrying about GW keeps them up at night.

I equate the term ´Climate Scientist´ with the term ´Creation Scientist´ (the folks who believe the earth is roughly 6,000 years old)- as in someone who is not a real scientist but rather one who starts with a certain belief and is determined to find only evidence supporting that belief. And Climate Scientists, like their Creationist brethren, ignore 100s of millions of years of geological and related data.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: lifelonghuman, 1/17/2014 9:15:26 AM     (No. 9695426)

If you really want to understand what´s behind "Global Warming" just follow the money after the GW taxation begins. And if you really want to understand what´s behind all of these "climate scientists" just take a look at our country´s math and science test scores.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 1/17/2014 11:03:45 AM     (No. 9695606)

The climate is always ´changing´. Right now we seem to be transitioning into a cooler earth. This not a good thing. Warming would be better.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/17/2014 11:14:50 AM     (No. 9695626)

#6 wrote: "And Climate Scientists, like their Creationist brethren, ignore 100s of millions of years of geological and related data."

I agree with your main point that "Climate Science" is junk science, but I would correct your statement quoted above, out of respect for creationists.

"Creation Science" in general simply finds the evidence of God´s creative work in the origination of time-space and matter on the one hand, and life and individual species, on the other.

Much of it is thoroughly rigorous, and distinguishes true science from the hidden metaphysical claims of the anti-creationist zealots and demagogues.

"...ignore 100s of millions of years of geological and related data" would be more rigorously worded as "...ignore data inferred by many as indicating the passage of 100s of millions of years."

But I´m not sure that correctly states what what you meant either. Perhaps they did *not* ignore the data, but merely inferred differently from you and others?

Finally, you referred to "Creation Science," but your comments would *only* apply to Young Earth Creationists, if at all.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jackburton, 1/17/2014 12:25:01 PM     (No. 9695773)

Warmth is proof of Anthropogenic Global Warming... as is cold. Hurricanes prove it, as does the absence of such. Same with tornadoes. The cold weather proves it. Lack of ice in the Arctic proves it but resurgence of same doesn´t disprove it... and on and on.

It´s a non-falsifiable hypothesis.

BTW--Creationist, to my knowledge, fall into different camps: Biblical Fundamentalists (world is 6000 years old... dinosaur bones were made by God just like the oceans were) and those who see Intelligence in the Design. The latter point out that Evolution is a theory, one with numerous holes. That puts it in league with Big Bang Theory or Unified Field Theory... interesting, explaining lots of things but not all and not yet provable.

Fundamental Creationists are also non-falsifiable hypothesists.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/17/2014 2:18:03 PM     (No. 9695931)

Sorry. I meant to address #8 (not #6).

If there is a "theory" that the universe *does not* depend on the eternal God, it is just as inherently lacking in verifiability and falsifiability as the contrary "theory."

Both the first "theory" and its denial are metaphysical in form and therefore not subject to testing in terms of probabilities and accumulated data.

I state this only to remind all of the inherent limitations of the scientific method.

Religious claims may be supported or refuted by appeal to intuitive or innate knowledge.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 1/17/2014 2:53:55 PM     (No. 9695979)

The last ice age started hundreds of thousands of years ago. Warming began tens of thousands of years ago, culminating in the melting and retreat, about 10-15 thousand years ago...

Something started the warming process, no-one know exactly what, most likely a bunch of factors.

Geologists also theorize that the earth has been completely encased in snow/ice at least twice. Again, a complex warming process resulted in the disappearance of the snow pack.

One problem with warmists and their ilk is that their simplistic explanations appeal to people who don´t think very much about what they hear (or read, but they tend not to read very much).

The problem isn´t new, i guess. Most people are just plain credulous, uncritical thinkers.

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